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Am at a loss to how to deal with 13 yo stealing

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applebananagraphs · 17/09/2024 06:22

My dd2 is 13 and I have no clue how to deal with her. I have tried everything, reminding her, telling her off, explaining to her why its not right, all to no effect. Grounding is nothing because she rarely goes out with friends, and its impossible to remove her phone.

She is really rude, like insulting and hurling personal attacks at her 16yo sister and me. Every night when we have dinner I get called a useless cook and she criticises everything I cook and refuses to finish her food.

The thing that bothers us most is she has the habit of stealing from her sister and I. She uses dd1's perfume without permission and she messes with her stuff. I strongly suspect she has stolen my money before and she definitely steals my skin care and make up from my wardrobe. I have no clue how to deal with her

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FoxtrotOscarKindaDay · 17/09/2024 07:16

applebananagraphs · 17/09/2024 07:11

Nothing happened at age 11, it was like a gradual transition though

How long has she had a smart phone?

You've said finance is an issue for not getting a lock on DD1s door, that's just an excuse. If your DD2 is stealing money and has pocket money to afford crystals, you can afford a lock for DD1. Get a bolt and padlock if you can't get a proper lock.

Sounds like you have a DH problem too, how does he treat DD2? How long has he been working away for long periods?

applebananagraphs · 17/09/2024 07:16

Whatbloodysummer · 17/09/2024 07:10

OP you definitely need a lock on your older childs bedroom, and obviously both you and older child would have keys, so there's absolutely zero issues about you being able to access the room whenever you want. It's only your younger DD that won't have free access to her sisters room.

Both DD's need to feel 'listened to' AND 'valued', and allowing one DD to freely take things that don't belong to them is 100% disrespectful and unacceptable.
How would YOU feel if your boss 'allowed' (by not stopping) another colleague to take YOUR possessions from your locker, with zero consequences simply because they would 'make a scene' if confronted? You'd feel that they were 'favouring' the colleague and disrespecting YOU, wouldn't you? Well that's exactly how your 16yr old feels !

So this crap about not being 'able' to take her phone away? YOU are the adult who pays for it, gives her 'pocket money', buys her nice clothes/perfumes/gadgets etc! It's completely under YOUR control ffs, NOT hers ! And if she does 'break stuff'? Then you use her own money to replace/fix what she destroyed ! But YOU have to stand up to her ffs and SHOW her that she's NOT the damn 'boss' of the whole family ! (If you don't, she'll simply accept that all she needs to do is to scream, shout and smash stuff to get her own way !

You also need to allocate time for BOTH DD's on a one to one basis, as well as 'family' time all together too.

She is obviously struggling with the changes puberty brings, and needs to feel valued as an individual AND as a member of a 'family' to help her find her 'place' as an individual.

But NOT at the expense of either you or your 16yr old.

I have tried to stop dd2, but hell I can't even stop her from stealing from me. How am I supposed to effectively stop her? I have tried telling her off before but it had no positive impact on her behavior and the screaming was all for nothing

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sunsetsandboardwalks · 17/09/2024 07:16

Who's more important - your 13 year old or your husband?

Your child is desperately unhappy - it's crystal clear from her actions. Please don't let her down by picking her dad over her.

turkeymuffin · 17/09/2024 07:15

Did she get a phone at 11? That's when all this got worse?

Your DH being opposed to counselling is likely indicative of his general personality & attitude. Is he an aggressive person?

The combination of the above is likely why she's so unhappy. Put her first.

applebananagraphs · 17/09/2024 07:11

Statsworry1 · 17/09/2024 07:06

She is literally screaming for help and attention @applebananagraphs please do something! With all due respect…FUCK your husbands opinion on counselling! If you don’t try it you’ll never know! How often does he work away? What else happened at age 11 that started this??

Nothing happened at age 11, it was like a gradual transition though

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Whatbloodysummer · 17/09/2024 07:10

OP you definitely need a lock on your older childs bedroom, and obviously both you and older child would have keys, so there's absolutely zero issues about you being able to access the room whenever you want. It's only your younger DD that won't have free access to her sisters room.

Both DD's need to feel 'listened to' AND 'valued', and allowing one DD to freely take things that don't belong to them is 100% disrespectful and unacceptable.
How would YOU feel if your boss 'allowed' (by not stopping) another colleague to take YOUR possessions from your locker, with zero consequences simply because they would 'make a scene' if confronted? You'd feel that they were 'favouring' the colleague and disrespecting YOU, wouldn't you? Well that's exactly how your 16yr old feels !

So this crap about not being 'able' to take her phone away? YOU are the adult who pays for it, gives her 'pocket money', buys her nice clothes/perfumes/gadgets etc! It's completely under YOUR control ffs, NOT hers ! And if she does 'break stuff'? Then you use her own money to replace/fix what she destroyed ! But YOU have to stand up to her ffs and SHOW her that she's NOT the damn 'boss' of the whole family ! (If you don't, she'll simply accept that all she needs to do is to scream, shout and smash stuff to get her own way !

You also need to allocate time for BOTH DD's on a one to one basis, as well as 'family' time all together too.

She is obviously struggling with the changes puberty brings, and needs to feel valued as an individual AND as a member of a 'family' to help her find her 'place' as an individual.

But NOT at the expense of either you or your 16yr old.

LiarLiarKnickersAblaze · 17/09/2024 07:07

applebananagraphs · 17/09/2024 06:27

I have tried asking her to but she just refuses to and I can't exactly make her

yes you can! Are you her mother or not? Are you in charge or not? You need to toughen up and do some hard parenting. It will be long and hard but you need to be clear who’s in charge - you. You sound like a victim in your post. Parent with love. Show love and understanding for her but do not tolerate that behaviour. She wants to scream the house down. Let her. She’ll stop when she realises you won’t budge.

she needs you. She needs your love, care and support. She’s obviously going through something maybe at school. But she also needs you to set boundaries. Carry on as you are and she’ll take this behaviour into adulthood. She’s relying on you to steer her the right path and be her moral compass so she grows up to be a well-behaved adult with a good job and happy relationships.

shes hurting but she needs you to be the grown up, not overwhelmed and weak.

Statsworry1 · 17/09/2024 07:06

She is literally screaming for help and attention @applebananagraphs please do something! With all due respect…FUCK your husbands opinion on counselling! If you don’t try it you’ll never know! How often does he work away? What else happened at age 11 that started this??

applebananagraphs · 17/09/2024 07:04

bigageap · 17/09/2024 07:02

What would you like to happen because every single suggestion you’ve had, there is an excuse not to do it.

Finance is the problem here as I am a stay at home mum and I don't want to make dh mad as he provides for us by going to counselling or calling the police, and it also costs money to install lock. I did help dd1 hide her perfumes though

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bigageap · 17/09/2024 07:02

What would you like to happen because every single suggestion you’ve had, there is an excuse not to do it.

TeachesOfPeaches · 17/09/2024 07:01

My sister used to steal everything so we all had to install locks on our doors.

Scarzo · 17/09/2024 06:59

Google Dr Becky Kennedy. I've listened to her interview on the Huberman Lab podcast and I found her approach really interesting.

bergamotorange · 17/09/2024 06:58

applebananagraphs · 17/09/2024 06:53

I want to be able to access 16 yos room so lock is out of the cards.

You have a key obviously, or a key pad.

You need to resolve this, it is unfair to both the kids to just allow it to continue.

hepsitemiz · 17/09/2024 06:57

ToBeDetermined · 17/09/2024 06:49

Figurative hurt, is still hurtful. You are still advising actions that will further alienate DD13 from her mum. That is the opposite of what is needed to repair the break.

Your idea of good parenting looks to me very much like weak and ineffective parenting. Up to the OP I suppose, to judge whether she should go your route, or be more decisive.

Parenting begins with showing who the parent actually is. It doesn’t seem to be the dad…

bergamotorange · 17/09/2024 06:56

applebananagraphs · 17/09/2024 06:31

My DH is completely opposed to counselling as she thinks we don't need it and thinks it a waste of time

This is really worrying from your DH. This attitude presumably manifests in other ways and might be part of the reason your DD is unhappy.

SeulementUneFois · 17/09/2024 06:55

Do they share a bedroom?
If not get your DD1 a lock for her bedroom.
And do the same for yours.

N27 · 17/09/2024 06:55

applebananagraphs · 17/09/2024 06:53

I want to be able to access 16 yos room so lock is out of the cards.

Could you not use a keypad style lock that you and dd1 have the code for?

RhaenysRocks · 17/09/2024 06:55

What she like at school? If you involve them they could refer you as a family to Early Help. They sit somewhere between CAMHS and social services and were absolutely brilliant at helping us with a very troubled, though non violent teen. You may be able to get to them yourself via the single point of access for CAMHS.. Google it for your area. As for the phone. Natural consequences. You are using the money it costs every month to replace the items she took so there's no service for X months. Alternatively, you take it when she's asleep, install a parenting control app like Google family or whatever the apple equivalent is and enforce limits without the need for physical interaction. You just lock it from your phone. I also think you need to get your DH inside here. She needs a united front.

Maray1967 · 17/09/2024 06:54

You’re going to have to address this now urgently. You need to talk to her calmly and say what needs to stop. She gets to explain why she’s doing it , and there might be a reason that you can address. If the behaviour does not improve, the phone contract will end. If she gets violent, the police must be called. No one should hold the house to ransom in this way.

What you’re describing sounds like a response to some sense of unfairness about who has what - even though you say she has what her older sister in terms of goods.

As your DH is often away and has little engagement with her - he gets little say. Stop deferring to him. You need to take charge now.

I know a family where something similar was going on but between boys. The parents did little. It only ended when violence erupted - when the 16 year old punched the 14 year old. Not great.

applebananagraphs · 17/09/2024 06:53

bergamotorange · 17/09/2024 06:51

What?? She is expressing it by not listening, being aggressive, being angry.

I agree she needs support.

Using other people's things is quite common in teens, so don't overreact to the behaviour but try to find out what is underneath. It is not acceptable, but neither is it a sign of lifelong delinquency.

Get a lock for the 16yo's door until things improve.

I want to be able to access 16 yos room so lock is out of the cards.

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offyoujollywelltrot · 17/09/2024 06:53

ToBeDetermined · 17/09/2024 06:47

Yeah, ok, and you know for a fact that the one and only thing the OP has not tried yet is calling the police? So your advice is totally #1 best option and won’t further escalate things and absolutely could not cause a 13yo to go further off the rails.

There are many actions OP can take without involving the police. The police are only going to hang about until everyone is calm anyway. They aren’t going to arrest a 13yo child. Then the police leave and OP will have the fallout of her DD going, really mum, I can never trust you as you called the police on me. Her friends will back her up on this. Your option is last resort, not first port of call.

Don't assume they would arrest her.

Violence has consequences. If this behaviour gets worse without being addressed, the police may well end up involved beyond OPs control. The police can help signpost to appropriate services and referrals.

bergamotorange · 17/09/2024 06:51

applebananagraphs · 17/09/2024 06:25

do you mind explaining more to me? She has everything and hasn't expressed anything like that

What?? She is expressing it by not listening, being aggressive, being angry.

I agree she needs support.

Using other people's things is quite common in teens, so don't overreact to the behaviour but try to find out what is underneath. It is not acceptable, but neither is it a sign of lifelong delinquency.

Get a lock for the 16yo's door until things improve.

applebananagraphs · 17/09/2024 06:51

NotARealWookiie · 17/09/2024 06:50

Do you do anything nice together? What are her strengths?

We do sometimes talk nicely together and she takes part in co-curricular a lot.

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NotARealWookiie · 17/09/2024 06:50

Do you do anything nice together? What are her strengths?

ToBeDetermined · 17/09/2024 06:49

hepsitemiz · 17/09/2024 06:45

You realise « hit her where it hurts » is being used figuratively, right?
‘This behaviour would drive me mad and I would go cold turkey on the phone. Cancel the contract

Figurative hurt, is still hurtful. You are still advising actions that will further alienate DD13 from her mum. That is the opposite of what is needed to repair the break.