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FasterMichelin · 16/09/2024 22:59

My son was 6 in April and has been attending swimming lessons for almost a year. We chose small groups in a private pool in hopes this would expedite the process although this hasn't happened. It's usually just him and another little boy with one or two instructors.

When he started lessons, he was comfortable in the water but used to swimming with armbands and being held. He now is happy swimming around with a noodle but can't swim at all unaided.

On holiday, he couldn't use the pool slides due to the deep water at the end and I can't help but wonder what we're paying (a lot) of money for!

I've checked in with his swim teacher who has said the next two stages of the swim program he's working towards are aided.

WTF? I thought I was paying for him to learn to swim unaided!

Anyway, I was wondering if this is normal or if, at 6, with a years worth of lessons, if he should be swimming without floats now.

He's strong, agile and listens well. Not worried about the water, if that helps.

AIBU to wonder if this swim program is more about taking ages and making money, than it is about teaching kids to swim? Or am I expecting too much?

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Lesleymumof3kids · 20/09/2024 22:39

Take him swimming with a fin. Get the arms and legs moving together ( doggy paddle is fab!) take the fin off in the last 10 mins and practice ( aided to start with) floating on his back and ducking under the water to pick up toys on the bottom in the shallow end etc that builds confidence and breathing techniques once he masters rolling onto his back and floating you can take him deeper to stop him putting his feet down and get him to doggy paddle for a metre to the side and build up on that . Won't take long! The lessons you are paying for are teaching stroke technique and not water safe moving around.

Proudofeveryone · 20/09/2024 22:31

My fil took our son aged 4 to swim while we were at work.
It took 8 weeks and son could swim unaided.
Ok he wasn't left unattended.
Daughter was taught the same way and it was nearly 6 months before she could swim unaided.
Different children have different approaches.
If you don't feel positive then change the swimming lessons.

jazzyBBBB · 20/09/2024 22:29

I'd expect at least 5m by then. You'd be better in council led lessons or lessons affiliated to a proper club than paying ridiculous amounts for some weird programme someone dreamt up.

Sjh15 · 20/09/2024 22:25

Choosingmiddleschool · 17/09/2024 11:08

Are the following swim Emgland learning to swim stage? How long did it take them to complete stage 1?

No they aren’t if they are using armbands xx

Sjh15 · 20/09/2024 22:23

Just seen this post
I’m a qualified swim teacher
after a year, unless the child is EXTREMELY nervous, maybe ND, then no, you’d expect some sort of swimming unaided by now
is if a brand or a council run pool? Sometiems expensive ‘brands’ follow very strict lesson plans which is what is sounds like the teacher is implying. General council run pools can have children who can move up at any time. 1-1 lessons you would for certain have them be attempting unaided well before a year xx

MadMumOfTwoHorrors · 20/09/2024 22:21

When my sons were 4 and 5, they did a week long swimming course. One hour a day for 5 days. By the end of the week, they could both swim unaided. Not very far at that stage, admittedly, but definitely unaided.

Mikunia · 17/09/2024 21:59

FasterMichelin · 17/09/2024 20:10

Really, that's amazing! I've no idea how to teach him, is there anything specific you followed?

Not really, just focused on kicking and using arms, and gradually removed the swim discs as his confidence increased. We played games and made it fun.

FasterMichelin · 17/09/2024 20:12

GlasgowGal82 · 17/09/2024 11:54

How often do you take him swimming outside of lessons? It's taken my seven year old two years to swim independently without an aid with weekly swimming lessons of 30 minutes long. We saw the most progress when we went on holiday and had access to a pool for ten days. I know he'd progress more quickly if I took him swimming more frequently to practice, but we struggle to make time for that so it doesn't happen.

Honestly very rarely as he has younger siblings so it's hard work.

Can I ask what steps you took on holiday to progress it? Did you push him out of his comfort zone? Remove aids? I think my son would be hesitant to give up the noodle with me, but equally we have tried!

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FasterMichelin · 17/09/2024 20:10

Mikunia · 17/09/2024 09:41

This is the problem with swimming lessons now. They insist on olympic technique instead of just teaching them to be able to move around and be safe in water.
I took my kids out for similar reasons. Mine are autistic and will not put their faces in water voluntarily and they couldn't progress because they didn't want to swim with their face in the water, but they had to in order to move up.
Yet you don't actually need to put your face in the water to be able to swim!
I taught both of mine on holiday with daily access to a pool. It takes less than a week.

Really, that's amazing! I've no idea how to teach him, is there anything specific you followed?

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mewkins · 17/09/2024 13:54

Find a pool which follows the Swim England stages (assuming you are in England!) www.swimming.org/learntoswim/learn-to-swim-stage-2-award/By the end of stage 2 he should be able to swim 5 metres unaided.

GlasgowGal82 · 17/09/2024 11:54

How often do you take him swimming outside of lessons? It's taken my seven year old two years to swim independently without an aid with weekly swimming lessons of 30 minutes long. We saw the most progress when we went on holiday and had access to a pool for ten days. I know he'd progress more quickly if I took him swimming more frequently to practice, but we struggle to make time for that so it doesn't happen.

ChristmasFluff · 17/09/2024 11:19

I'm like a broken record on swimming threads - look for someone Halliwick trained. They don't use floats at all and focus initially on being safe and comfortable with movement in water. Your child will be able to float unaided on their back after the first session, and will quickly learn to roll in all directions, and have breath control in water. As you can imagine, learning the strokes is much easier from this point.

Floats mess with the way the body behaves in water, and create dependency. They're great once you can swim - for strengthening and training purposes. But terrible for learners.

thenightsky · 17/09/2024 11:14

Mikunia · 17/09/2024 09:41

This is the problem with swimming lessons now. They insist on olympic technique instead of just teaching them to be able to move around and be safe in water.
I took my kids out for similar reasons. Mine are autistic and will not put their faces in water voluntarily and they couldn't progress because they didn't want to swim with their face in the water, but they had to in order to move up.
Yet you don't actually need to put your face in the water to be able to swim!
I taught both of mine on holiday with daily access to a pool. It takes less than a week.

I agree with Mikunia My DS is autistic and wouldn't put his face in the water or take one foot off the bottom. His instructor allowed him to wear goggles and he was zooming about, even underwater, within an hour.

Choosingmiddleschool · 17/09/2024 11:08

Are the following swim Emgland learning to swim stage? How long did it take them to complete stage 1?

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 17/09/2024 11:05

I put my son in 121 because it seemed the only way to actually learn

MsSquiz · 17/09/2024 10:25

I would definitely change classes as he's not making any progress.

My dd is almost 5 and has been swimming since she was 2, she started swimming with my DH in the pool, then just with instructors and noodles, then a shark fin and now unaided.

We also take her to our local pool throughout school holidays to keep on top of the progress she's making

Thegirlwithnousername · 17/09/2024 10:06

My daughter is 5 and swims unaided in the normal swimming pool (Not kids one) at the local leisure centre in her swimming lessons..I think it's time to move you DS!

Mikunia · 17/09/2024 09:41

FasterMichelin · 17/09/2024 07:22

Yes I'm getting the feeling that they're following a scheme word for word, much of it seems focused on technique. But we don't expect him to become a world class swimmer with perfect technique, we just want him to be safe and able to swim without armbands or a noodle.

This is the problem with swimming lessons now. They insist on olympic technique instead of just teaching them to be able to move around and be safe in water.
I took my kids out for similar reasons. Mine are autistic and will not put their faces in water voluntarily and they couldn't progress because they didn't want to swim with their face in the water, but they had to in order to move up.
Yet you don't actually need to put your face in the water to be able to swim!
I taught both of mine on holiday with daily access to a pool. It takes less than a week.

notatinydancer · 17/09/2024 07:56

We taught a grandchild to swim in three days on holiday.
Yes you're being ripped off.

Trebol · 17/09/2024 07:51

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BanksysSprayCan · 17/09/2024 07:47

Whatever they are doing isn’t really working for your son. I would try a different class.

TouringTheTearooms · 17/09/2024 07:44

After a year I think he should be able to swim at least a very short distance.

Ds3 has never been a 'natural' swimmer and also started lessons at 5. After a year his form still wasn't great but he could at least doggy paddle for a couple of meters and tread water for 20 seconds...enough to get by on holiday for the pools and slides if one of us hovered at the edge.

I'd move him. Sometimes very small groups aren't the best imo, there's no natural 'peer pressure' of watching x kid swimming a width and trying to do it too iyswim. Ds3 is 7 now and in a group of about 6 - when I watch him I can see him watching the other kids and trying to swim as fast as they do which definitely gives him a bit of a kick to put the effort in.

DatingDinosaur · 17/09/2024 07:42

It sounds weird. Move him.

There is no reason for the instructors to be touching him after all this time, especially if he has buoyancy aids.

JADS · 17/09/2024 07:38

I would expect them to do a lot of work with floats to get good technique, but they should also be doing non aided swimming so a combination of both.

I can't remember where DS2 was after a year, but I think he could swim 5-10m unaided (local council pool lessons).

Londonrach1 · 17/09/2024 07:37

Dd was scared of water. We tried to take her and she cling onto us and it was very stressful. Took her 1 1/2 to move stages in her swimming lessons but she now happy and confident in the water and loves swimming under water and diving. This from a child who refused to get her face wet. However her teacher was amazing and it wasn't 1:1, although as they knew she struggled although I wasn't paying for 1:1 she had a lot of 1:1 with the center manager to give her confidence. Move swimming teachers if you not happy.