To ask if you’ve ever become obsessed with a murder case?

Wasn't there some link to a planning application at the local pub??

I live 20 miles outside Ipswich. I know someone who was friends with Paula. Absolutely terrifying when it was all going on.
Ds2's social services Mum was a member of a gym near Portman Road and female members were being escorted too and from their cars in the gym car park.
Steve Wright has now been charged with the murder of Victoria Hall as well. A friend's Dad found Victoria's body... 😔 😔 😔 😔

This makes me think Paula was targeted because she had appeared on the news and spoke out. Poor woman. Evil male killer on a power trip.

Was anyone ever convicted of the murder of Billie-Jo Jenkins?

I remember that vividly. The poor woman was so lost in the grip of her hopeless addiction. She was also trying to seek help with detox when she was murdered.

I thought, in comparison with a lot of previous murders involving prostitutes, that the public did have a good deal of sympathy with these women. Whether this would have been to the same degree had this been one isolated killing is another guess.

There was another woman, Jade I believe her name was, who underwent a drugs rehabilitation programme, managed to beat her addiction, and came through into a better life. She was interviewed for programmes a few times and came across as a really intelligent, articulate woman. So were the families of some of the other victims: I remember in particular one of the brothers who now works in drug rehabilitation. I have contact with the Forward Trust, who do wonderful work along the same lines with the kind of people society prefers to forget.

Wright is now facing trial for the murder of Victoria Hall. All the criminologists interviewed about the case were sure he's done this before, and that his almost unprecedented spree killing indicated the end of a pattern, not the beginning.

The whole thing was too horrible to contemplate.

The killing of little Caylee Anthony is jaw dropping because of callousness of her mother, Casey Anthony. I've never forgotten that one.

Another case that I have always puzzled over is..
The Clydach murders in Wales. Mandy Powers, her two daughers and her Mum, were brutally murdered in June 1999.
A man called Dai Morris was sent down for the murders, but always swore his innocence.

I cannot believe that NO ONE (she lived in a terraced cottage) HEARD the murders? ?
I think the true killer was never caught.

This is a good thread.

And comes with good intention of care and empathy for the victims and their families, plus JUSTICE.

I lived near Ipswich at the time these murders were happening. I will never forget the local news interviewing a woman who was still working on the streets during this time. The woman was Paula Clennell who was then killed shortly afterwards. So sad.

i listen to the podcast Redhanded, i've heard so many stories i didn't know about through that

Any incel murders baffle me the most

Remember reading of Penny Bell ( found dead in a public car park at the swimming baths in her jaguar sports car) in June 1991 .The weird thing was her car was covered in blood ,she had been stabbed many times.Her killer had to run across a bridge across a busy road in broad daylight. Yet no one saw him . Very sad as her daughter said her father told her to leave when she turned 18, as she reminded him of Penny! Also several people saw a car with its lights with her saying "help me" yet no one phoned from a phone box or thought to call the police ! She must have been killed by someone she knew . She told builders at her home that she had an appointment that day.Also had taken 8,500 pounds in cash and that was missing .

Norway's Isdahl Woman and it's 1990's equivalent Jennifer Fergate.
Not only is it unclear if they were murdered, no one knows who did it and we don't even know who these women were and what they were doing in the first place

Also the way he heartlessly tried to blame Shannan in death for killing the girls. He was happy for the public to think that

Suzy Lamplugh, Claudia Lawrence, Damien Nettles and Ben Needham. Technically I think they're all missing persons cases though.

Suzy is a long time ago now, but I still hold out some hope for finding out what happened to Claudia, Damien and little Ben.

Was this the Michelle Booth (from Reading) case in 1978?

I worked at the Prudential at the time, and she started to work there, after the accident, with her twin sister Sharon.

She was in a coma for 8 weeks. It was a massive story at the time, and I don’t think the perpetrator ever got caught.

The Netflix documentary about the Watts murders is really chilling. Shanann seemed to be really in love with Chris and fretting that he didn't love her so much any more and didn't want sex with her as often. (Obviously he had started an affair but she didn't know.)

He admitted that when Shanann had arrived back from her work trip in the early hours that they talked, then had sex, then talked some more and then he killed her. It just seems so callous that she was desperate for his affection and attention. I can imagine her asking him if he'd missed her etc and it seems like he had sex with her to try and "shut her up" and then killed her anyway. Then the girls too which is worst of all. But how cold and heartless to have sex with your loving, pregnant wife and then kill her and throw her away like rubbish.

Another poster asked why he didn't bury them all rather than just Shanann and putting the girls in the oil tank. I imagine he originally intended to dispose of all three in the tank and tried that first but the opening was too narrow - one of the girls bodies had suffered scrape marks from the opening. So Shanann wouldn't have fitted.

The photos of their life make them look like such a happy wholesome blessed family. Whenever I hear someone say that social media gives a fake impression, the Watts family is what I'm reminded of.

@BBabbadoobabbadock Yes

Eccleston ?

This is the one that got me too.

I just couldn’t get my head around it, they were all so young, full of life & promise for the future. It’s really sad.

They were all viciously murdered & the details surrounding it are eerie.

The guy who did it has such evil eyes.

Yes, I've watched it a few times too. I think what gets me is she documented their lives on sm and they came across as the perfect family. She and the kids idolised him yet that wasn't enough for him. I watched another documentary on him & the experts say he'd probably been planning the murders for quite a while whereas I assumed it was a moment of madness & that escalated

I am a true crime nerd and I have never heard of this case. How awful! And so under-reported.

Nothing strange about that at all, she was very mentally unwell. When people are ill they can act exactly she was which is worrying/ frightening to anyone who hasn't seen anything like that before. Poor girl .

Harry and Nicola Fuller. Murdered by a guy Harry knew. The killers voice was broadcast on Crimewatch and loads of people recognised it. He was convicted of their murder then it transpired that the jury had used a ouija board and there was a retrial.. What a thing for their families to go through..

I've always been fascinated by the Jeremy Bamber case. I initially veered towards thinking he might be innocent, but I believe his sister could NOT have done it as he claimed, and therefore it could only have been him. I think the police handled the case and the evidence really badly though.

The tragic case of a young woman in the little Lancashire village where I'm from in 2008. She owned the local beauty salon and lived in the flat above. She was going out with a man from a nearby town. Apparently, he was extremely jealous and just because she hadn't answered her phone one night when she was out with her friends/family in the pub across the road from her flat, he drove drunk and barefoot to her flat, where he murdered her. Her poor mother found him asleep next to her dead body the following morning, after she'd been alerted by locals that the salon hadn't opened. She was a beautiful young woman with her whole life ahead of her and this low life thought he had the right to take her life, just because she didn't answer her phone to him quickly enough. The worst thing is, he's due out any time now.