To ask if you’ve ever become obsessed with a murder case?

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Thank you, I’ll take a look.

Lee’s daughter is quite active on TikTok, talks a lot about her dad and how her family has coped

Sorry, , Hrtft, so might have been mentioned, but does anyone remember the murder of Lee Harvey? Birmingham way I think.
his girlfriend Tracie Andrew’s killed him and made out it was a road rage attack. Did a TV appeal and everything. I was a bit obsessed with that case.

@Babbadoobabbadock Ha ha, yes I do too. It's quite a nice beauty spot now but I still get the shivers imagining what the heck else is under that water. Also, frightening to think about the type of people who have been hanging around the place at night.

@XChrome It was called "All Good Friends" and starred Peter O'Brian from Neighbours as Martin Johnstone, the unfortunate victim.

I still think of the handless corpse when anyone mentions Eccy Delph @Neverheather

That's bizarre. I thought all those films about murders in a small town were unrealistic, but after hearing this story I'm thinking maybe not.
What was the name of the movie made about that murder? I'd like to watch it.

Yes , me too!! I watched this when it first came out. I was intrigued. I agree with everything you say. I suspect her killer is still walking the streets.

Making a murderer, Steven Avery had me gripped. I thought the treatment of his nephew Brendan, who with a low IQ how the police interrogation process was carried out was disgusting. It had a flawed investigation, The county didn't want to pay compensation to his first wrongful conviction. (He was wrongly convicted of a rape), by a police "expect artist" who was biased. So many flaws. I am still not able to conclude is he guilty of the murder of Teresa Halbach.

That case was awful!

This thread, as I think someone else said upthread, to me has proved among other things that serial killers/other criminals and killers being 'geniuses' much of the time just isn't true. More so a narrative perpetuated by authorities. Some of these criminals are just lucky that the police do such shoddy work much of the time.
I say that as ex-police myself. Some of them are great and do their jobs so thoroughly but it is often difficult to with the amount of work expected of them, then you also get people who just cant be bothered or simply aren't fit for the job (Holly and Jessica, Jeffrey Dahmer, Yorkshire Ripper just off the top of my head).

They get some ridiculous things wrong, they're human I realise, but a lot of these situations are down to lack of thought put into things, not finding evidence quick enough (Andrew Godsen), or just priorities being wrong.

I am not convinced it was him to be honest. If you look at a lot of the evidence for it being him, some of it is sketchy at best. And there were other suspects whose wherabouts 'fit' the scene better. Horrific crime and someone needs putting away for it, and Sion does sound like a piece of work in ways, but I just don't think it can be pinned on him with what evidence they had.

Wow really? Where did you find this information?
I found this case fascinating sad and creepy.
Those are the ones that interest me.
The yuba county five is also very strange.

I previously mentioned the tragic murder of a young woman who worked as a beautician in the little Lancashire village where I'm from. Another poster referred to a "cursed street" but we used to 'jokingly" refer to our little village as "Midsummer Eccleston", due to all the murders that had happened there over the years. When we first moved in during the early 70s, a guy had just murdered his wife in their home with an axe. A petition was actually started to try and get him a more lenient sentence as, according to village gossip at the time she was a "serial cheat and he just snapped". Needless to say, my parents did not sign the petition and were devastated for the poor woman. Next, we had the dumping of the "handless corpse" in our local beauty spot, the Delph (water filled quarry). We were surrounded by the world's press for a while as the victim was Australian and a film was even made about it, starring a guy from Neighbours as the drugs related murder victim. Around this time, totally unrelated, the much loved Landlady of the local pub was locking up one afternoon, when she was confronted by a man intending to rob the place. I don't know the exact details, but he stabbed and killed her then went on the run. I was 15 at the time and used to cycle to school up the quiet country lanes and I always remember being scared in case he was hiding around there. A short time later a guy who lived in a big house around the corner from the pub arrived home to be greeted by his son, who shot and killed him. I think the son was mentally ill and someone told me the dad was the murdered pub landlady's brother, but I'm not sure if that's true, if it is, then how tragic for that poor family. Then we had the murder of the poor young woman who owned the beauty salon. For such a small village there seem to have been so many murders.

Ooh, thanks @WandaFishy99. I haven't seen it but it looks like it's on YouTube so I'll definitely watch it asap!

I'm from Bury and remember the murder of Shirley leach very well ,the murderer ,wasent caught for many years and was only caught because his DNA matched a fairly minor incident for which he was arrested for
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Have also watched a documentary about the other bus driver in your post
But I don't think you generalise that to all bus drivers in the whole of the North ,!

@CornishYarg did you see the dramatisation The Man From the Pru on tv? Quite a few years ago now, it was very good. Not sure if it's available anywhere now.

That's amazing that you knew someone who remembered him and 😱 that it was considered a cursed street.

Him being a quiet and unassuming man makes sense. It fits with the comment in the novel that him asking several people where the non-existent street was could just as easily be a conscientious insurance salesman doing his job, as a guilty man trying to deliberately establish an alibi.

Not obsessed per se, but I admit to being fascinated and reading anything that crosses my screen regarding:
Jack the Ripper and victims
Lizzie Borden’s parents
The Black Dahlia/Elizabeth Smart
Jo Benet Ramsey (spelling?)
Peter Falconio - understand someone’s convicted and believe they are guilty as sin, but am 50/50 whether they are guilty of this murder, plenty of others I’m sure they are, so they are where they deserve to be irrespective. The thing that interests me is that the actual murderer could still be out there. I’m in Australia and while Wolf Creek was ‘just a movie’ the content is absolutely true, lots of people go missing in the outback and lots of murdering crackpots out there, vast areas, chances are most will get away with it.

The case of Amanda Blackburn. I was completely obsessed. I’m (un)usually interested in murders involving religion.

I think it was a female not a male.

Claudia liked attached men. Whoever did the deed clearly planned it very well no trace of anything.
I think she was put in a incinerator somewhere because if she was buried or put in water her remains would have been found.

I remember when a lady called Shirley Leach was killed in the bus station toilets at Bury in the early 90s I was 15 when it happened.

It was awful and my mum and dad told me never go near bus stations when it was dark.
The poor woman would have avoided the barsteward if she hadnt missed her connecting bus. It was talked about for many years the police thought they would never catch the killer.

The man who killed Shirley was finally caught years later after being forced to give his dna over a road incident.

He was a bus driver. Another Manchester bus driver killed a young boy he was infatuated with a few years after Shirley was killed what is it with bus drivers in the north?.

Sorry, but the majority of this post is simply factually untrue.

Much has been made of the "no DNA evidence" thing, but in a purposefully disingenuous way in order to cast doubt on Mitchell's presence at the crime scene.

It simply is not true his DNA was not present.

Jodi and Luke's relationship was known to be sexual, so at the trial both Prosecution and Defence agreed that it would be completely pointless to bring up DNA evidence as it would achieve nothing and result in a circular argument, so it was never part of the trial. This does not mean there was no DNA evidence placing Mitchell at the crime scene.

Luke was not "convicted on dislike", or on "flimsy circumstantial evidence" He, and his mother, attempted to pervert the course of justice by providing him with a false alibi, a false alibi that his own sibling, thankfully, would not corroborate. Mitchell also deliberately destroyed evidence in an attempt to frustrate the investigation.

"Nobody cares" because it's only people who are either unaware of facts, or deliberately choosing to ignore them who are in any way doubtful of Mitchell's conviction. The people who investigated the crime, those who prosecuted Mitchell, and those responsible for ensuring fair justice are in no doubt, hence why all the protestations of innocence are getting absolutely nowhere.

Mitchell is as guilty as sin.

Reeva Steinkamp murder

I remember reading about it at the time and her mother saying if you need a pee at your boyfriend's house you don't lock the bathroom door....

Utterly chilling. I think she told him it was over and he couldn't deal with it.....

Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon in Panama. There is no way they got lost. I've read books/watched documentaries/scoured Reddit.

I did a deep dive into this case. Seems they were murdered for their organs. Utterly chilling. Of course they could have stumbled upon cocaine traffickers or people traffickers. NEVER go for a walk in those kind of places without a local guide.

But yea. Suzy Lamplugh, Claudia Lawrence too. So sad.

#1. In the US it's the Long Island Serial - Gilgo Beach murders. They even released a new sketch of an unidentified victim this week.
#2. The Idaho student murders that trial is supposed to start next month I think. The guy is weird and his sister's even thought he did it before he came home for Christmas vacation.