To ask if you’ve ever become obsessed with a murder case?

@Lentilweaver

Agree. I think that's what motivated the father to play along.

The ransom note screams Patsy and was written on paper from the kitchen. What intruder would sit there with a corpse writing a three page note?

The police officer's observation of her peering out between her fingers when she was ostensibly sobbing into her hands still gives me the creeps.

I think the brother Burke did it and the parents covered up. Just the ransom note was so unbelievable.

The Soham murders really effected me as a child. But I’m not obsessed with it, I can’t watch any films or documentaries about it as it’s too close to home.
Holly and Jessica were the same age as my sister, their bodies found 2 miles from where we lived, my mum worked with one of their dads when it happened. I can’t even think about it without being gripped by fear and sadness

I still want to know what happened to JonBenet Ramsay. There was no intruder.

Tragic accident and then bonkers cover-up by that nutjob mother is my guess.

Can second that recommendation for The Fox- amazing detective work!

There was a programme on C4 the other week about a British criminal called The Fox who broke into peoples houses in the summer of 1984, and committed sexual assaults on both male and female victims.

I had no memory of these cases despite being 16 at the time and it apparently being on the news. He was caught in the end by the police matching a fleck of car paint to a particular model and painstaking trawling through car registrations. No DNA or CCTV then.

It made me realise how difficult it must have been to catch criminals before all the technology etc we have today.

Who knows? None of us. A dingo could have put it there or someone else at some point. Will forever be a mystery. One of the early pieces of evidence before that was the matinee jacket found at the time complete, not ripped etc. Maybe it came off like that by chance when the dingo was carrying the baby away, maybe not. Dingos are bold, you only need to go to Fraser (now called something else) to see that. Kids are bitten all the time. So it’s possible a dingo did it, and possible it didn’t.

@HoppingPavlova they found the babies clothing in a dingo lair years later. It was the dingo. It's sad that some people still don't believe it.

Was it a dingo really, or was she murdered by her mother

Whilst Lindy was convicted then that was later overturned, I don’t think that’s where it ultimately landed. My recollection (being in Australia at the time), was more ‘was it a dingo, or one of the older brothers (forget which one but I think they were with her or missing from the rest of the group at the time or something), and Lindy, along with Michaels help, covered it up’, things didn’t add up which led to her being convicted. Then it overturned. But I don’t think it’s a case of ‘was she murdered by her mother’, rather ‘dingo vs older sibling with well tended cover up that went pear shaped’.

The dingo baby case, where tiny Azaria Chamberlain was apparently taken from a tent in Australia by a dingo.
Was it a dingo really, or was she murdered by her mother?
I guess we'll never know really.

Making a murderer, Steven Avery had me gripped. I thought the treatment of his nephew Brendan, who with a low IQ how the police interrogation process was carried out was disgusting. It had a flawed investigation

The thing that didn’t turn me with this one was that, while I completely understand why Brendan would have made something up to satisfy detectives and just end it and get out of the room, he then later on his first phone call, gave the same story to his mum. I would have thought, if he didn’t do what he said, his first words to his mum would have been ‘help me, I didn’t do anything, I said I did stuff so they’d let me go, now I’m in jail’. But instead, he gave a recap of what he’d done in different words, said sorry to her, please forgive me etc. I agree he’s not the sharpest tool in the shed, so wouldn’t have even known that call would be recorded (even if told, not sure it would have computed), so there was zero reason he’d lie to his mum on his first contact with her rather than saying ‘I didn’t do anything’. THEN, after he has legal visits, people talk to him, there is a different story.

Do I believe the story he told detectives, no, I think it was under duress.
Do I believe the story he told his mum, absolutely.
Do I believe his story after people had then talked to him, no, I think that was damage control.

Therefore, I’m not unhappy about where he is. But the good thing about justice processes is we all have different thoughts and different takes on things, and the right to question which is a good thing.

Shirley's daughter died just before the killer Ian O'callaghan was convicted.

Shirley's grandson Darren never forgave himself as he left his gran on the bus that night. He got off just before the interchange.
Darren died at 42.

I was very interested in the Idaho murders, a couple of students got killed by Brian koberger, well he's arrested for it but no trial I don't think yet. There was one surviving room mate and all the details were so horrific, I remember being so intrigued especially when no one had been arrested yet. I think it was potentially during lockdown though so that might be why I got so invested as had nothing else to do haha

Lacey Peterson and Gypsy Blanchard. Also im watching that new drama on Netflix about the Menéndez brothers so thats my new obsession!

Oh yes, that was horrific! Due to the FBI getting involved I'm guessing either a hate crime or a suspected cross-state serial killer, which would give the feds jurisdiction.
Whoever it was must hate women and may hate lesbians.
It could be an incel/homophobic freak or just an opportunistic sadistic sicko who happened upon her.
Another theory is that it was a jealousy thing and her partner perhaps had a male stalker.
The idea some have that her female partner did it is nonsense IMO. This is a man's crime. The sexually sadistic overtones and contempt for women are as clear as can be. Nor would she kill her own dog FFS.

Strange one. I wondered if they have new information.

I don't know if anyone is familiar with the Katherine Janess case. Bith her and her dog Bowie murdered in a park.... words carved into her torso

Horrible case which I thought would be solved quickly but wasn't

Neverheather

Just ordered it. Thank you!

@AmusedMaker Just checked and it's called "Pure Evil" by Maureen Harvey and it's available on Amazon. Also, I hadn't realised but the Catatonia song "Road Rage" is about the murder, that must have been very upsetting for Lee's family. Apparently, Cerys Mathews apologised to his mother.

There's also a podcast series by Ron Goldman's sister Kim called Confronting OJ Simpson which I'd really recommend.

This also intrigues me. I wonder if it will ever be solved 🤔

The murders at the Lafayette Bar & Grill in New Jersey in 1966. Rubin 'Hurricane' Carter and John Artis were twice tried, found guilty but then freed. Bob Dylan believed Carter was innocent and wrote the song Hurricane about the case. There is so much conflicting evidence and failings of the justice system it's impossible to say if they did it or not. Virtually all of the people involved are dead now so the truth will probably never be known.

@Tazmania77 You must read Marcia Clark's book about the trial 'Without a Doubt' she was one of the prosecution team, it really lays out how he was so obviously guilty imo.

Neverheather

Thank you!

@AmusedMaker Years ago I read a book by Lee's mum which gave a lot of insight into his relationship with Andrews before she murdered him. It's probably still available on Amazon/ebay?