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To ask if you’ve ever become obsessed with a murder case?

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sheknoedidhitit · 16/09/2024 20:26

I was watching a true crime podcast on YouTube and it finished and went to a random suggestion and it was a 2 minute video of a crime scene inside a subway from the 80s on an ordinary news channel.

I looked into the case and there’s nothing on it apart from a one column blurb in the newspaper at the time and the victims photo being sold on Amazon. It’s so weird .. and I can’t stop thinking about it.

Anyone else?

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QueenHilda · 21/09/2024 22:24

hoarahloux · 21/09/2024 22:22

Oooh you would LOVE Admiral Cloudberg's articles.

https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/

She writes lengthy analyses of major air disasters and accidents. If you google a plane crash and Cloudberg, you'll likely get an article she wrote. She's an extremely engaging writer who manages to get across complex engineering problems in terms simple for the layman to understand, and also writes with such sympathy for the dead in these accidents, crew and passengers included.

"Children of the magenta" is a particularly interesting article of a crash that doesn't get much recognition:

admiralcloudberg.medium.com/children-of-the-magenta-the-crash-of-american-airlines-flight-965-b16f57c34cfe

Wow thanks for the recommendation, looks right up my street!

hoarahloux · 21/09/2024 22:22

QueenHilda · 21/09/2024 21:04

Not murder, but I have a morbid fascination for plane accidents. Was obsessed with MH370 for some time.

Also space travel disasters.

I love flying, bizarrely!

Oooh you would LOVE Admiral Cloudberg's articles.

https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/

She writes lengthy analyses of major air disasters and accidents. If you google a plane crash and Cloudberg, you'll likely get an article she wrote. She's an extremely engaging writer who manages to get across complex engineering problems in terms simple for the layman to understand, and also writes with such sympathy for the dead in these accidents, crew and passengers included.

"Children of the magenta" is a particularly interesting article of a crash that doesn't get much recognition:

admiralcloudberg.medium.com/children-of-the-magenta-the-crash-of-american-airlines-flight-965-b16f57c34cfe

Admiral Cloudberg – Medium

Read writing from Admiral Cloudberg on Medium. Kyra Dempsey, analyzer of plane crashes. @Admiral_Cloudberg on Reddit, @KyraCloudy on Twitter and Bluesky. Email inquires -> [email protected].

https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com

XChrome · 21/09/2024 22:08

hoarahloux · 21/09/2024 20:58

Who's Rose? The post you're quoting is talking about Nora Quoirin.

Her body was decomposed after several days dead in the heat and in water. Cuts and scratches won't be visible after that level of decomposition. She could in fact walk unaided as shown in footage of her at the airport etc. A major thing was made of her being found naked, but she only wore underwear to bed and could well have removed them when they were wet or soiled.

I do think unfortunately her death was a tragic accident. A door left unlocked and a jetlagged, confused child - it's easy to see how it could have happened. Poor child. I was truly hoping she would be found alive. Similar to Arian Arnold recently - no crime, just a sad incident of a child getting lost and dying of exposure.

Edited

Sorry, mixed the name up with another case.

x2boys · 21/09/2024 21:38

hoarahloux · 21/09/2024 20:58

Who's Rose? The post you're quoting is talking about Nora Quoirin.

Her body was decomposed after several days dead in the heat and in water. Cuts and scratches won't be visible after that level of decomposition. She could in fact walk unaided as shown in footage of her at the airport etc. A major thing was made of her being found naked, but she only wore underwear to bed and could well have removed them when they were wet or soiled.

I do think unfortunately her death was a tragic accident. A door left unlocked and a jetlagged, confused child - it's easy to see how it could have happened. Poor child. I was truly hoping she would be found alive. Similar to Arian Arnold recently - no crime, just a sad incident of a child getting lost and dying of exposure.

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Yes it was utterly heartbreaking as I said I have a child with similar disabilities and he can walk for miles she was incredibly vulnerable and relied on her parents for everything,I could be very wrong but I think she accidentally locked herself out and walked around untill she was exhausted ,my son would just remove his clothes if they got wet he doesn't have the understanding of it being inappropriate personally I think it was a tragic accident.

QueenHilda · 21/09/2024 21:04

Not murder, but I have a morbid fascination for plane accidents. Was obsessed with MH370 for some time.

Also space travel disasters.

I love flying, bizarrely!

hoarahloux · 21/09/2024 20:58

XChrome · 21/09/2024 18:23

I went to look and refresh my memory of this case. That night Rose's mother heard a whispered conversation, which sounded like it was inside their chalet, soon after everyone was in bed.
Then there's the fact that although she had apparently walked seven miles in jungle terrain, there was no sign of that on Rose's feet. She had scratches and bruises elsewhere, but her feet were dirty, yet unblemished.
Very strange indeed. Then the cops were absolutely useless and would not investigate further. That poor family.

Who's Rose? The post you're quoting is talking about Nora Quoirin.

Her body was decomposed after several days dead in the heat and in water. Cuts and scratches won't be visible after that level of decomposition. She could in fact walk unaided as shown in footage of her at the airport etc. A major thing was made of her being found naked, but she only wore underwear to bed and could well have removed them when they were wet or soiled.

I do think unfortunately her death was a tragic accident. A door left unlocked and a jetlagged, confused child - it's easy to see how it could have happened. Poor child. I was truly hoping she would be found alive. Similar to Arian Arnold recently - no crime, just a sad incident of a child getting lost and dying of exposure.

ParkedTheBroomstickNowWhat · 21/09/2024 19:24

Bectoria2006 · 17/09/2024 20:20

I’m from Doncaster and I think about this one too. There was something on the news last year where they arrested 2 men in connection with the kidnap and human trafficking but haven’t heard anything since.

I also regularly think about Ben Needham. Not confirmed dead but missing all this time. His poor mum 😢

They were released without charge, Kevin Gosden even apologised to them for their arrest which seems odd to me.

Auburngal · 21/09/2024 18:33

Love podcast British Murders with Stuart Blues. I recommended a murder to look at and my real name is credited in one of those.

XChrome · 21/09/2024 18:26

Chicaontour · 20/09/2024 23:52

Any chance that its "murder most irish" or "mens rea"

No, not those. Thanks for responding though. I think it had "country" in the title.

XChrome · 21/09/2024 18:23

x2boys · 21/09/2024 08:52

That was tragic but i dont think her clothes being missing was necessarily indicative of anything sinister, my son has similar disabilities to her and he would just take his clothes off if they were wet or uncomfortable, I do think she may just have turned the wrong way and got lost ,heartbreaking for her family.

I went to look and refresh my memory of this case. That night Rose's mother heard a whispered conversation, which sounded like it was inside their chalet, soon after everyone was in bed.
Then there's the fact that although she had apparently walked seven miles in jungle terrain, there was no sign of that on Rose's feet. She had scratches and bruises elsewhere, but her feet were dirty, yet unblemished.
Very strange indeed. Then the cops were absolutely useless and would not investigate further. That poor family.

Michnmartc1234 · 21/09/2024 17:27

Arthur Labinjo-Hughes was a sad one for me, the suffering he went through and the video footage of him broke my heart.

MumTeacherofMany · 21/09/2024 16:41

I know someone who was in prison for murder for many years. He was released in 2008. I managed to find only a very small mention in a newspaper of the crime which was very different to his recount. Totally shocked me as I'd blindly believed what he told me and felt sorry for him for many years. Shocking

WandaFishy99 · 21/09/2024 16:20

Toiletbrushdisaster · 21/09/2024 09:24

My late mother and I went to visit her cousin who lived near one of the fox murders.
She was elderly but had previously kept her bungalow like a palace,had a good social life and lots of visitors. Mum had not seen her for some time and was shocked at her appearance. She was obsessed with the murders and in a bad way. She had the curtains drawn. Would only leave the house if absolutely vital. She had few visitors and said she hardly slept. She was listening all the time for any strange noises. At the time I didn't realise how vulnerable murders make the community feel as i was young and i suppose i thought it couldnt happen to anyone i knew.My very strong and fearless mother did become a bit suspicious of doctors during the Shipman investigations.
I am particularly interested in the backgrounds of murderers. For example in the Wallace case , Julia Wallace had apparently told everyone that she was a lot younger than she was and kept the deceit going for years .The Wests are interesting too. Both Rose and Fred had terrible upbringings. I once worked with a lady who had lived near Fred when she was a young newly wed. Fred had apparently offered her lifts ( think he had a motorbike?) A local business owner told her not to accept. He said that she would be killed..referring to his reckless driving .

My grandmother was terrified of The Fox just like your mum's friend. She talked about him constantly and she kept the curtains closed. We were sick of hearing her going on about him, I don't think we understood why she was so frightened.

Toiletbrushdisaster · 21/09/2024 09:24

annieloulou · 20/09/2024 09:51

There was a programme on C4 the other week about a British criminal called The Fox who broke into peoples houses in the summer of 1984, and committed sexual assaults on both male and female victims.

I had no memory of these cases despite being 16 at the time and it apparently being on the news. He was caught in the end by the police matching a fleck of car paint to a particular model and painstaking trawling through car registrations. No DNA or CCTV then.

It made me realise how difficult it must have been to catch criminals before all the technology etc we have today.

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My late mother and I went to visit her cousin who lived near one of the fox murders.
She was elderly but had previously kept her bungalow like a palace,had a good social life and lots of visitors. Mum had not seen her for some time and was shocked at her appearance. She was obsessed with the murders and in a bad way. She had the curtains drawn. Would only leave the house if absolutely vital. She had few visitors and said she hardly slept. She was listening all the time for any strange noises. At the time I didn't realise how vulnerable murders make the community feel as i was young and i suppose i thought it couldnt happen to anyone i knew.My very strong and fearless mother did become a bit suspicious of doctors during the Shipman investigations.
I am particularly interested in the backgrounds of murderers. For example in the Wallace case , Julia Wallace had apparently told everyone that she was a lot younger than she was and kept the deceit going for years .The Wests are interesting too. Both Rose and Fred had terrible upbringings. I once worked with a lady who had lived near Fred when she was a young newly wed. Fred had apparently offered her lifts ( think he had a motorbike?) A local business owner told her not to accept. He said that she would be killed..referring to his reckless driving .

x2boys · 21/09/2024 09:01

Boxofstars · 20/09/2024 02:12

Shirley's daughter died just before the killer Ian O'callaghan was convicted.

Shirley's grandson Darren never forgave himself as he left his gran on the bus that night. He got off just before the interchange.
Darren died at 42.

Oh that's awful I didn't know that about her Grandson ,Ian ,O,callaghan ,was in my Brother in laws, class at the Derby ,he said was quiet, and a bit of a loner
It wasent even that late ,I watched a sky documentary about how they caught him and another person at the interchange and noticed him acting suspiciously and was so freaked out by him that she got a taxi home

x2boys · 21/09/2024 08:52

Boomerangsmell · 20/09/2024 23:39

Little Nora who died in a rainforest. She was autistic and wouldn’t have gone outalone her parents said. She was found somewhere inaccessible and cause of death was starvation and stress. I’m sure her clothes were missing too and some witch doctor found her with psychic powers. Have a feeling something else happened there but not sure what.

That was tragic but i dont think her clothes being missing was necessarily indicative of anything sinister, my son has similar disabilities to her and he would just take his clothes off if they were wet or uncomfortable, I do think she may just have turned the wrong way and got lost ,heartbreaking for her family.

Babbadoobabbadock · 21/09/2024 08:29

Barrymore has a big following on TikTok these days

NoSourDough · 21/09/2024 00:08

Not a “proven” murder case, but the death of Stuart Lubbock in Michael Barrymore’s pool…..there’s more to that story…

Chicaontour · 20/09/2024 23:52

XChrome · 18/09/2024 07:13

Sorry, meant to say quadruple murder for the Keddie case.

The UK one that obsesses me most is the suspected serial killer case of the Vanishing Triangle in Ireland. I don't think I'm speaking out of turn to call these murder cases, as it is the official position of the authorities that these victims are presumed dead.
All are eerie and terrifying cases.
There is a wonderful Irish YouTube channel which deals with violence against women in Ireland, the name of which I cannot remember, which is where I discovered it.
Do any of you true crime buffs know the name of that channel? I'd like to watch it again. The woman who narrates it is blonde and looks to be in her thirties. The narration is quite beautiful and evocative (in a dark way) and extremely well written.
It's not any of the well known ones like Irish Coffee True Crime, Dark Vaults or That Chapter, but a more obscure one.

Any chance that its "murder most irish" or "mens rea"

XChrome · 20/09/2024 23:49

Boomerangsmell · 20/09/2024 23:39

Little Nora who died in a rainforest. She was autistic and wouldn’t have gone outalone her parents said. She was found somewhere inaccessible and cause of death was starvation and stress. I’m sure her clothes were missing too and some witch doctor found her with psychic powers. Have a feeling something else happened there but not sure what.

Yeah, that broke my heart. Very strange case and hard to say whether was foul play was involved.
Perhaps somebody tried to harm her, causing her to run away and become lost.

Boomerangsmell · 20/09/2024 23:39

Little Nora who died in a rainforest. She was autistic and wouldn’t have gone outalone her parents said. She was found somewhere inaccessible and cause of death was starvation and stress. I’m sure her clothes were missing too and some witch doctor found her with psychic powers. Have a feeling something else happened there but not sure what.

XChrome · 20/09/2024 23:17

OneTooFree · 20/09/2024 03:55

The dingo baby case, where tiny Azaria Chamberlain was apparently taken from a tent in Australia by a dingo.
Was it a dingo really, or was she murdered by her mother?
I guess we'll never know really.

It was not the mother. She wasn't out of sight nearly long enough to hide the baby way out in the bush where an article of her clothing was eventually found, covered in dingo hairs. It was mere minutes earlier that she had been talking to friends. She went to check on the baby and started screaming. She was with other people constantly after that as well.

Plus, there was a witness.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/azarias-body-hidden-20040706-gdj9to.html

Not sure how credible he is, but if he just did it because he wanted publicity, why would he wait so long?

Azaria's body hidden

https://www.smh.com.au/national/azarias-body-hidden-20040706-gdj9to.html

Fernticket · 20/09/2024 22:26

Sorry that should be Victoria Hall, not Melanie.

Fernticket · 20/09/2024 21:55

thoonerismspread · 17/09/2024 16:55

The Steve Wright murders bother me a lot. Not least because of how vulnerable those women were, and how nobody remembers their names. As prostituted women they were 'just' that, and a collective almost.
It seemed very easily forgotten about as if they were disposable.

I lived in Norfolk and worked in Suffolk at the time Steve Wright was committing the murders. I had friends who worked in Ipswich and colleagues who lived in or near there. I still think about those poor girls a lot. There is a very good book about the case by Professor David Wilson which is well worth a read. Their names are definitely not forgotten by those of us who were around at the time.
Other cases which haunt me....
Christine Darby who was 7 years old when she was murdered in Cannock Chase in the late 60s/ early 70s. She was around the same age as me. When she died, her name was on everyone's lips and stranger danger was everywhere. My childhood changed almost overnight.
Genette Tate. She was around the same age as me when she went missing. One of the photos of her reminded me very much of my best friend. Jill Dando, Suzy Lamplugh, Claudia Lawrence, and Madeleine McCann.
Steve Wright used to run a pub in the red light district in Norwich at the time when a young prostitute called Natalie Pearman was murdered.
Quite a few people think he may be involved in it. He has also recently been charged with the murder of another young girl in Suffolk, Melanie Hall.

Starburst24 · 20/09/2024 11:15

Haven’t read the full thread but some of the ones that stick with me and I was obsessed with are:

Casey Anthony case. Hate that bitch. I think there’s more to the Dad as well.

JonBenet Ramsey - I think the brother did it

Gaby Petito - I followed this right from the start

Lori Vallow/Chad Daybell Domesday Couple. This I also followed from the start and watched Court TV of the trials and sentencing. I cried for those children. I was so pleased that Lori and Chad got what they deserved. Although I still think Lori should have had the death penalty but papers were filed incorrectly

Chria Watts. Just absolutely senseless

and one that happened very close to home that never really gets much attention happened just a few months after I was born. I live in the town and her father worked at my secondary school. Judith Roberts.

truecrimestoriesuk.wixsite.com/truecrimestories/post/the-unsolved-murder-of-judith-roberts