To ask if you’ve ever become obsessed with a murder case?

Did anyone watch the Jonbenet Ramsey programme? Think I've lost faith in channel 5 docs-I realised as soon as they questioned Lucy Letby's guilt in one of them that their fact checking isn't up to much. The Ramsey one seemed to focus on the intruder theory, which no one who has followed the case in any depth really believes anymore. They kept going on about unknown male DNA and I thought it was already proved to be just DNA from the manufacturer of the clothes?

Oh yes. That reminds me of the smiley face killer theory. I was obsessed with that for awhile. They are similar, though with smiley face there were additional oddities such as the fact that some of the alleged victims did not die from drowning and no cause of death could be determined. Some were also were found weeks and even months after they disappeared, but the time of death was established to have been much more recent. However, deaths with the same pattern happened in a number of different cities, so it seems unlikely to be a single killer. Some people were theorizing that it was a group of sickos who possibly met up on the dark web to brag about their kills.

As for the pusher, lots of cities around the world have canals without nearly the record of drownings as Manchester, so I tend to think there may be something to it.
I've talked to several people who were convinced they narrowly escaped death at the hands of smiley face killers and another who says he escaped the canal pusher. The police wouldn't listen to them.
It always struck me as odd how adamant the authorities were that those could not have been murders. Based on some of the evidence, a number of the cases probably were, but they still denied it. I feel bad for the relatives of those people, as they will never know. Imagine having a mystery like that haunting you for the rest of your life and the police won't even look into it.

I've wondered if the canal pusher was real or not.

There's a lot of deaths.

I get completely obsessed with murder cases and go down rabbit hole . These are the most interesting ones I’ve read about :
The murder of Emmett Till
Jeffrey Dahmer
Chris Watts
Jonbenet Ramsey
Derrick Robie

There's a good documentary type thing on YouTube about these two (true lives channel). It's really interesting as it shows how these two first met, and their personalities came together to become the monsters that they were. It's a good watch.

One that I always remember is the murder of Sally Gleeson. She was out with friends on nye 2004 and was abducted and murdered. She text her friends asking for help, but as it was nye the networks were overloaded and they weren't delivered for hours. She had a twin sister. The thought of being picked up by the wrong person and texting for help that never came, and how awful her friends must have felt when those messages did come through. Awful.

You've put it into words what I was thinking, and I would also add that reading these articles and keeping up with what's happened isn't a form of entertainment, its a form of protection,
Because you know how these are just everyday people and so these horrible things could happen to anyone, and so maybe knowledge is a way to keep yourself safe.

I was interested in the Railway murders for a while. Two men who stalked and murdered innocent women around London and the South east in the 80s.
Their movements were so random , there didn’t seem to be a particular area, that they targeted. Really dangerous men, thankfully both were eventually caught.

So sad, just a beautiful clever girl with so much ahead. All gone for nothing.

Thank you for reminding me of the horrific murder of Nicola Furlong in Japan
Her murderer is now free as is his friend who was imprisoned for the sexual assault of her friend.

the disappearance of Lars Mittank is a very strange one….

Yes, it is enjoyable actually, and whether or not anyone pores over anything doesn't materially affect or alter the original crime, the victims, or anything that happened subsequently either.

You might find it "grim", I just see it as curiosity about people who are outliers.

I have been v upset about Nicola furlong, but so little information and weird treatment of perpetrator.

Essex Police arrested Barrymore's ex-boyfriend in 2021 and later submitted a file to CPS.

Nothing appears to have come about as a result of this, so it seems CPS appear to believe either a prosecution is unlikely to result in a conviction, or it isn't in public interest to prosecute.

It would seem Essex police are content that they know what happened and who was responsible though.

That's not it at all. It's because we care about the victims and their families, want to see justice done and are outraged when killers get away with it.
There might be a few ghouls, but most true crime buffs hate these killers with a passion. It's not enjoyable. It's not for fun. I often cry when thinking about some of these cases, what the victims went through and how their families are suffering. I'm sure others do as well.
There's a line from a Bruce Cockburn song that sums it up for me; "kick at the darkness until it bleeds daylight." That's what it is- confronting the darkest part of humanity and understanding how it works in hopes that one day we can put an end to these crimes. The more people who are willing to confront this and who care, the better.
If you don't get it that's okay, but there's no call to make those kind of accusations.

How the Beslan School Seige is forgotten when over 300 children were murdered is astounding.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslanschooll_siege

No, it's not about enjoyment, or not for me at any rate. I can only speak for myself, but I think the reason certain cases have never left my head is that they affected me emotionally even though I didn't know the people concerned. Others on the thread have voiced similar sentiments.

No. Because you know, those were real people who left grieving families behind. I think it's disrespectful to take a ghoulish interest in all the gory details. Honestly it's grim. Is it really enjoyable, poring over all the details of somebody else's suffering?

Yes. I do hope the little girls had some kind of a decent life after losing their parents and grandmother.

No it was proven Azaria could only have been taken & killed by a dingo.

Her cardigan was missing when her other clothes were found at the time of Lindy's trial.

But a few years later the cardigan was found by police investigating a man who had fallen & died at a far away part of Ayres Rock/Ularu. It could only have got there if a dingo had taken it.

On this evidence Lindy was set free.

There is no evidence pointing to the boys.

For those interested in the Jonbenet Ramsey case - there's a programme on channel 5 this Thursday about it.

The Lori Vallow/Cult Mom/Chad Daybell case. I started following really early on when the kids were still considered only missing and Lori and her husband had run away to Hawaii.

Most probably the most outrageous, insane case I’ve ever heard about, probably all the more because it happened in real time over a (seemingly) long period - evidence was being uncovered every so often and released to the public, the other family and cult members either speaking out or their previous antics being exposed. I was on a Facebook group for it and it was actually riveting watching it all unfold. There were other unexplained deaths as well as Chad killing his wife to be with Lori (and his kids still support him!) The day they found the children’s bodies and released the phone call between Lori while she was in jail and Chad while they were searching his property gave me chills. Awful stuff. Crazy how people can be brainwashed.

Thanks!! Working through these
Know they're all sad and bad but it's Tenerife and they saw how one moment of that day not happening and it could've all changed..everything just came together so wrong.

JonBenét Ramsey

You'll lose yourself in these articles for weeks! The Germanwings pilot suicide, the Russian plane where the pilot let his children in the cockpit, the Uberlingen midair collision...

The Tenerife disaster! There's so many incredibly well written and researched articles. Tenerife in particular because of its high profile is so good.