To ask if you’ve ever become obsessed with a murder case?

I agree - it's so tragic. His mum is in a massive sense of denial. And his sister. I think it must be awful for them, but they still talk about how it was so awful for him !
What about Shanan'an and her beautiful girls and unborn son ' can't get my head around it.

Yes, there's loads more.

Do you think he is Bible John?

Yes.
To the extent that I asked MN to establish a True Crime board, as I didn't want us to be continually called tricoteuses.
Over the years, I have followed rabbit holes/done deep dives into these cases:
Noah Donohoe
Meredith Kercher
Stuart Lubbock
Madeleine McCann
JonBenet Ramsay
Reeva Steenkamp
and also the proceedings against Jonty Bravery/Valdo Calocane/Ian Stewart.

I have also taken a huge interest in the activities/timelines of:
Prince Andrew
Russell Brand
Fiona Harvey
Philip Schofield

Finally, I became consumed by:
The disappearance of Rebecca Coriam 2011/cruise crime stats in general
Riots 2011
The Grenfell Fire
The unexplained/conspiracy theory threads (within reason e.g. death of Gareth Williams, Jill Dando etc)

I think it's human to want to unravel things and work out the whys - it's also why so many young people are interested in criminology and psychology at college - it only becomes an issue when libel/hearsay/insensitivity/trial by media/live trials being affected or crowd sleuthing en masse occur (e.g. Nicola Bulley).

Angelika Kluk's murder, and the subsequent finding of Vicky Hamilton and Dinah McNicol, gripped me because I previously briefly met Peter Tobin.

Not the usual "knew he was evil" or had an instinct type thing though. Just a man I crossed paths with through my Grandad's job who seemed entirely normal and it's only because both my cousin and I commented that he was familiar that we pieced it together.

I also feel sad for the inevitable other victims of him who haven't been found. I simply don't believe a man who kidnapped, murdered and hid two women in 1991, and appeared to have got away with it, simply didn't kill anyone else until 2006.

Yes, the murder of Rachel Nickel who was murdered in Wimbledon. Her little boy was with her at the time. I still think about it sometimes when I’m walking with my little girl. Truly horrifying. There was a miscarriage of justice too with one man being wrongly convicted of her murder.

Sophie Toscan du Plantier, a French woman who was murdered at her holiday home in west Cork, Ireland, in the 1990s.

There was a Netflix documentary about it last year. Nobody was ever charged with her murder, and the main suspect died a few months ago.

Chris Watts too @sheknoedidhitit I think it’s because there was so much footage recorded by
Shannan. The viewers felt like we knew her
It just didn’t make any sense… how someone who appeared so normal could do such a thing.

Someone knows what happened that night - but it will never be solved.

The Clydach Murders in Swansea.

No idea if there was a miscarriage of justice - definitely some dodgy police work - but lost behind all the debate was a young mum, her disabled mother and 2 little girls. Horrific. Don’t suppose the truth will ever be known.

Nope, and now mum is deceased.
It's so sad. Lots of debate about pageants, etc.
And brother gossip etc, etc.
Awful x

JonBenet Ramsey. Never been solved.

I agree, I think that they reveal something about the darkness of human nature. And they can serve as warnings to us. I would never say that they are enjoyable but there is an underlying fascination with the capacity for people to carry out such horrendous and cruel acts. I think you can be respectful to the victims at the same time as being interested, or at least, I hope so.

The Columbine High School killings probably because I was the same age as them at the time. 25 years later, I still can't get my head around it. Planning it for two years together, making bombs in the house - its all just so far away from what I was thinking about at 17.

I think it’s natural and normal to be interested in this stuff. We are hard wired to finding solutions, so crimes without a solution really get to us.

However I listened to a podcast that talked about the effect of true crime shows on relatives and loved ones (particularly those in near history) and the fact that often no permissions are sought or even a “just to let you know were airing this” takes place - interviews are often carried out with the z list of people involved (neighbours/distant friends etc). The first traumatised people know about it is when their loved one’s face is broadcast for entertainment.

I’ve looked on crimes shows in a different light since then and looked more into historical crimes. Recommend the Bad Women podcast covering crimes against women in WWII London

Not obsessed but think of Jason Swift semi regularly. He was my age and we lived not far from each other. I remember seeing his missing poster on a bus stand in the area. One of my teachers was his home tutor before he went missing and I knew people who lived on his estate. I think we may have know each other had circumstances had been different.

As a child, the kidnapping and death of Lesley Whittle really affected me. I was 9 or 10.
I’d hear it on the news at teatime and didn’t realise how much it was scaring me. I’d wake up in the night and sit up in bed, put my light on and read one of my famous five books til it got light. This went on for months.

The killings that I can’t get out of my head in recent years are the Delphi murders.
Just gone over the thread and see others have mentioned this too.

Star Hobson, too. I read at the time that her family members thought she ' seemed depressed '.
I can not ascertain that - she was a bloody baby.
I'd be right on the case if any of my nieces or nephews ' seemed depressed '.
Heartbreaking x

Big breakthrough in this case happening at the moment with DNA evidence

Suzy Lamplugh knew Steve Wright, the serial killer who preyed on women in Ipswich. They worked together on QE2. I have wondered before why we haven't heard much about this link. Just seems odd that Suzy happened to have two different deranged murderers in her life.

Oh wow I did not realise that the photos had been analysed to support the theory that they had set off back on their original trail after reaching the summit. That does look very very suspicous. I will definitely read this book thank you.

Yes I got really obsessed with Tyrell Peterson case, oh it was so awful. I just couldn't stop thinking about this poor boy.
Don't look it up if things around children being murdered will really upset you. I know these things will but this is a really bad one

Yes, only the unsolved ones though. I do listen to podcasts now and then. Same with missing person cases that remain a mystery. I’m intrigued by the ones that are particularly frustrating (Claudia Lawrence, Andrew Gosden, jonbenet and many more) because I can’t understand how they’ve ended up unsolved.

Chris Watts for me, too. Scares me that up until the murders, he was a pretty average dad. No red flags, really.
Also, Chris Coleman - same league - though in his mind, he had something to 'lose ' - his job, working for a nut job.
So scary to think they live amongst us.
Jonbenet - because had the police done their job, we'd have answers.

Another one that is beyond heartbreaking. 😭

I went down a rabbit hole reading about the horrific murder of Shannan Watts and her precious babies. That had left a mark on me no other story has. Truly unimaginably heartbreaking 💔

Chris Watts is a monster but his mother is grim too. In interviews she still puts the blame on Shannan. Apparently she sued for the life insurance policy that he had for Shannan and the two girls through his work. So so sick.