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To ask if you’ve ever become obsessed with a murder case?

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sheknoedidhitit · 16/09/2024 20:26

I was watching a true crime podcast on YouTube and it finished and went to a random suggestion and it was a 2 minute video of a crime scene inside a subway from the 80s on an ordinary news channel.

I looked into the case and there’s nothing on it apart from a one column blurb in the newspaper at the time and the victims photo being sold on Amazon. It’s so weird .. and I can’t stop thinking about it.

Anyone else?

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sheknoedidhitit · 16/09/2024 22:13

Also if anyone ever falls down a hole of reading through black kalendar, it really affected me reading about so many murders of cases you’d never have heard of,

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doglikescheeseontoast · 16/09/2024 22:12

Not obsessed, but I'd really like to know where Margaret Fleming's body is. Edward Cairney died in prison last year, but Avril Jones is still alive and could say where she is.

Newname71 · 16/09/2024 22:07

I’m obsessed with all “who dunnits”. DH said if Im ever suspected of a murder and the police looked at my tv viewing history I’m fucked 😂
I watched one, American interview tapes.
An officer said to the suspect, we’ve located the body of a man buried in your garden, what have you got to say to that.
she replied “ I obviously didn’t bury him deep enough” 😂

Sarah2891 · 16/09/2024 22:06

It may or may not be a murder case but the Maura Murray case in the US baffles me.
Crashed her car in 2004 and never seen again.

BehindTheSequinsandStilettos · 16/09/2024 22:06

MSLRT · 16/09/2024 21:33

JonBenet Ramsey. Never been solved.

Have you read Foreign Faction by A. James Kolar?
Foreign Faction: Who Really Kidnapped JonBenet? (Audio Download): A. James Kolar, Jennifer Hedayat, Ventus Publishing, llc: Amazon.co.uk: Audible Books & Originals
Free on Kindle Unlimited/Audible trial and worth a look.

ChickAndTheDuck · 16/09/2024 22:05

Areolaborealis · 16/09/2024 21:30

The Columbine High School killings probably because I was the same age as them at the time. 25 years later, I still can't get my head around it. Planning it for two years together, making bombs in the house - its all just so far away from what I was thinking about at 17.

This has just reminded me of another one I went down the rabbit hole with. The Parkland shootings by Nikolas Cruz. I saw some horrific footage where you could hear some of the victims dying. Will never get those sounds out of my head.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 16/09/2024 22:05

ARichtGoodDram · 16/09/2024 21:55

@AccidentallyWesAnderson

Yes, there's loads more.

Do you think he is Bible John?

It's awful to think those families may never get the finality of knowing for sure.

I don't think so. The police ruled him out and I don't think they'd have done that if they didn't have proof he was elsewhere.

That said I might be swayed by the fact my Nana and her sister (who went to the Barrowland, but not at that exact time) were both convinced that one of the women wasn't killed by Bible John. In a documentary I watched once that seems to be a not uncommon belief. They believed there was two killers.

A lot of people suggested Angus Sinclair and Gordon Hamilton, however, Sinclair was in prison until 1967 and was known to Glasgow police of the time. He's reckoned to have killed several other women in the area in the 1970s, but I've never seen or read anything that seriously puts him in the frame as BJ

dontforgetme · 16/09/2024 22:03

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MaidOfSteel · 16/09/2024 22:02

Back in the 80s (when it was much harder to lear more about US cases) I became very interested in the case of a young teen named Cinnamon Brown. She was manipulated by her father into murdering her stepmother, Linda, Ann Rule wrote a book about the whole sad thing, called 'If You Really Loved Me.' Her father really was a piece of work.

I still always think about Suzy Lamplugh and Claudia Lawrence, and hope that we'll have answers about them one day.

scoopoftheday · 16/09/2024 22:01

usernother · 16/09/2024 20:57

The Murdaugh family murders and the Doomsday couple Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell. Both cases were American and I followed them on YouTube.

I listened to the Vallow case only today on the Anatomy of Murder podcast.

Crime Junkie is also a good one (though both American)

bringincrazyback · 16/09/2024 22:01

I'll always wonder what happened to Genette Tate. I'm a similar age to what she'd have been now so her disappearance and the subsequent news coverage was really frightening to me at the time.

ChickAndTheDuck · 16/09/2024 22:00

sheknoedidhitit · 16/09/2024 20:43

Chris Watts murder also very much intrigued me. Murdering a spouse isn’t that shocking but the fact she was pregnant and he killed his little girls too.

And that his family has forgiven him and I saw a YouTube video of the sister telling him whilst on a prison call about the tribute the family had to the girls and how the CD kept skipping and it was the girls spirit playing with it - like they were laughing and joking like it was a normal every day conversation.

I was very into this case too and it was just so bizarre because nothing added up or made sense. Chris Watts was the least likely candidate to commit these crimes by himself. He was a submissive type of personality who did what he was told by women. I personally think someone else was behind it but received immunity for supplying information.

I've still got all the evidence that I requested from the DA office which includes police reports and videos etc.

betterangels · 16/09/2024 22:00

The Daybell case will live never leave me.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 16/09/2024 21:57

Summerx · 16/09/2024 21:15

Caylee and Casey Anthony

Yes.

Like a few others mentioned in here, it isn't technically a "murder", but it's fascinating nonetheless. How it's not as well documented or widely heard of as JonBenet and so on is beyond me.

Regardless of what you believe happened, it's undeniable Casey Anthony is a reprehensible p.o.s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Caylee_Anthony

Death of Caylee Anthony - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Caylee_Anthony

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 16/09/2024 21:57

ARichtGoodDram · 16/09/2024 21:55

@AccidentallyWesAnderson

Yes, there's loads more.

Do you think he is Bible John?

It's awful to think those families may never get the finality of knowing for sure.

I don't think so. The police ruled him out and I don't think they'd have done that if they didn't have proof he was elsewhere.

That said I might be swayed by the fact my Nana and her sister (who went to the Barrowland, but not at that exact time) were both convinced that one of the women wasn't killed by Bible John. In a documentary I watched once that seems to be a not uncommon belief. They believed there was two killers.

God how scary.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 16/09/2024 21:55

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 16/09/2024 21:54

The Tobin = Bible John theory has been completely discounted. He didn't resemble the descriptions of surviving witnesses, and more importantly, he wasn't even in the Glasgow area for much of the timescale of the BJ murders.

Ah ok, thanks for clarifying. Hideous man.

ARichtGoodDram · 16/09/2024 21:55

@AccidentallyWesAnderson

Yes, there's loads more.

Do you think he is Bible John?

It's awful to think those families may never get the finality of knowing for sure.

I don't think so. The police ruled him out and I don't think they'd have done that if they didn't have proof he was elsewhere.

That said I might be swayed by the fact my Nana and her sister (who went to the Barrowland, but not at that exact time) were both convinced that one of the women wasn't killed by Bible John. In a documentary I watched once that seems to be a not uncommon belief. They believed there was two killers.

NamedAfterABeatlesSong · 16/09/2024 21:54

Oh my goodness I need to follow this thread, I’m obsessed with all things “Murder Sh.t”, as we call it in our house.
Chris Watts murders had a profound effect on me. I haven’t stopped thinking about it, since I watched that Netflix doc back in 2020. I cried watching it, in a packed gym. Must’ve looked a right loser.

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XDownwiththissortofthingX · 16/09/2024 21:54

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 16/09/2024 21:45

Yes, there's loads more.

Do you think he is Bible John?

The Tobin = Bible John theory has been completely discounted. He didn't resemble the descriptions of surviving witnesses, and more importantly, he wasn't even in the Glasgow area for much of the timescale of the BJ murders.

TheNinny · 16/09/2024 21:53

baby star. I had a DD around the same age and was just so upset by this case.

SweatySpaghetti · 16/09/2024 21:51

India Chipchase.
I was a year or two older than her, but I was out that particular night in the same town (but in a different bar on the same street) but I had been in that particular bar hundreds of times before.

I was really into true crime prior to that, but it just made it all hit home for me, and I had to distance myself from true crime following it.

Jl2014 · 16/09/2024 21:48

The Emma Caldwell podcast really got to me. Still think about it.

adviceneeded1990 · 16/09/2024 21:47

Jon Benet Ramsey. But I think the Dad and possibly the brother will take it to their graves.

SerafinasGoose · 16/09/2024 21:47

Edited: this was in response to @Summerx. Quote feature fail!

Is it truly awful that the first thing springing to mind about the Casey/Caylee Anthony case is Nancy's Grace's never-ending parrot cry of TOT MOM!

This trial was interesting because I was WFH at that time and able to stream the trial in its entirety: a thing we in Britain never get the chance to do.

It's safe to say that the operation of the law in Florida and the nature of the evidence admissible into the court is very, very different from the way things are done in the UK. Quite the eye-opener.

Trial by media is a very real risk with the transparency of every aspect of the proceedings, including the freedom of the jury to talk about their deliberations later if they so choose. In this case that doesn't seem to have affected the outcome. No one ever expected that Casey Anthony wouldn't be found guilty of at least one of the more serious indictments.

That whole family were weirder than the line-up of a Wes Craven movie. Poor little girl.