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sheknoedidhitit · 16/09/2024 20:26

I was watching a true crime podcast on YouTube and it finished and went to a random suggestion and it was a 2 minute video of a crime scene inside a subway from the 80s on an ordinary news channel.

I looked into the case and there’s nothing on it apart from a one column blurb in the newspaper at the time and the victims photo being sold on Amazon. It’s so weird .. and I can’t stop thinking about it.

Anyone else?

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Sharontheodopolodous · 17/09/2024 13:33

katseyes7 · 17/09/2024 13:08

*Sharontheodopolodous *
You're 100% right about the 'turning left' thing, that's a very long way round! I've never noticed that on any of the documentaries l've seen, l'll have to watch them again.

The most direct route, the one l drove, would be to turn right out as she came out of the house, past the Nags Head, past the church, and down onto Melrosegate.
I used to have some good chats with the guy in the post office, not about Claudia, (if it's the same one, the one l talked to had a motorbike?) because at the time l'd recently moved to York and l was selling a lot of stuff on ebay, so l was in there quite regularly, and he remarked on my accent, as l was clearly not local to the area.
I didn't know that about her friend's husband, though! Wow!

I may have got the wrong impression about the route but if they where right,it was miles out of the way
Straight up melrosegate would have been the way I would have gone (I'm lazy so will always walk the direct route)
Yes-thats the postmaster,lovely fella,had lots of chats myself with him about motorbikes as my father is a biker
I read somewhere that her mate had married the main suspect and had it confirmed through friends
The nags used to be a lovely pub (not Drank in there for many years-i was 16/17 when I did and am cough a few years and a few kids older now)
I remember them having barking,large dogs on the roof
It just doesn't make sense-if she'd walked past my father,he would have seen her,but he turned off just before he got to her street-she didn't walk up melrosegate-or not far up that street
She knew who killed her-she would have kicked off if she'd not known who's car she was dragged into
It's a built up area-someone would have heard screams-i have where I live and I live in a quiet area

fubared · 17/09/2024 13:31

Susan Maxwell and Caroline Hogg. Scared the life out of me as a child in the '80s

ChickAndTheDuck · 17/09/2024 13:19

Yes, the Idaho killings were very odd. Has the accused man had his trial yet and been sentenced? I haven't been following it since it happened.

sheknoedidhitit · 17/09/2024 13:18

Sharontheodopolodous · 17/09/2024 12:55

Yes,that photo

I knew people who knew people,who knew her who said that photo was wrong-her own mother said it was wrong but it took months to get the right photo out

It's never been said who provided that picture

If someone goes missing,you'd get an up to date one at least

I have a recent (ish) photo which shows me as long and dark haired but I'm now shorter haired and grey (I grew out the hair dye) but my partner would be telling the police about my change of appearance-they could easily find a cctv still of me

She would have had come out of her house,and turn right to walk down heworth road,past the shops/church,turn right up melrosegate,past the post office,past the shell garage,on Hull Road, past my parents street and onto the uni grounds

For some reason,I've seen documentaries that seem to think she went out of her front door and turned left-down heworth Road and either back round onto melrosegate or almost into town

That wouldn't have made sense either-thats miles out of her way

(I could be mistaken,but that's what the documentaries seem to think)

My father came out of his street,down melrosegate,past the post office,over the bridge/past the other church with the blue jesus statue and straight down the road,to the church,to which he turned off the other way to go to ds's flat

He didn't see her-he saw nobody at all on foot (he would have remembered as its unusual for a lone female to be walking at that time)

No cctv of her walking past the post office-i knew the postmaster,Gary,very well-nice chap but nothing on either side of the street but she was caught on it the day before, posting a letter

Why did it take 5/6 years to interview my ex and his colleagues?I mean he and the other men where in her street at around the time she left for work

Ditto the back alley

There is that one missing link to the jigsaw-she didn't make it much further than her front door-she either got a lift or was dragged away somewhere between her house and the church (which isn't far at all,a few minutes at best-ive walked it regularly)

But who?

I read that her best mate is now married to the man they think did it

They just can't prove it

I’m sorry but you know people who know people who know her. That really is a “trust me bro” source.

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sheknoedidhitit · 17/09/2024 13:14

Foxlover46 · 16/09/2024 23:01

The Idaho 4 killings have really been baffling to me

Definitely.

Like I’m sure the police tried to shrug it off as not a huge case until it gained huge traction online. Also I’m sure a housemate that survived came out of their room and saw the murderer with the knife and just ran back to their room and didn’t do anything until the morning .. like fair enough reaction but surely their phone would be in that room so why not call 911?

And they torn the house down before the trial when the jurors would have actually gone to view it. Such a crazy and sad case.

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katseyes7 · 17/09/2024 13:08

*Sharontheodopolodous *
You're 100% right about the 'turning left' thing, that's a very long way round! I've never noticed that on any of the documentaries l've seen, l'll have to watch them again.

The most direct route, the one l drove, would be to turn right out as she came out of the house, past the Nags Head, past the church, and down onto Melrosegate.
I used to have some good chats with the guy in the post office, not about Claudia, (if it's the same one, the one l talked to had a motorbike?) because at the time l'd recently moved to York and l was selling a lot of stuff on ebay, so l was in there quite regularly, and he remarked on my accent, as l was clearly not local to the area.
I didn't know that about her friend's husband, though! Wow!

luckylavender · 17/09/2024 13:04

I'm still obsessed with Gregory Villemin. And I was obsessed with the Ayers Rick dingo baby.

Pinkchicken75 · 17/09/2024 13:01

yes - The Staircase ,the drama was good ,but his documentary was something else. still on Netflix i believe
Also Gill Dando
Madeleine Mcann

TheGreatIndoors · 17/09/2024 12:59

I also can confirm the ch5 documentary on Luke Mitchell was crap and he is guilty as sin. Dalkeith is a pretty small town. We all know the police and lawyers who were involved.

TheGreatIndoors · 17/09/2024 12:58

@AGirlInACountrySong pls tell us more about the black museum

Thistooshallpass24 · 17/09/2024 12:57

I'm sure the Lawrence family would be delighted by all the wonderful suggestions on here.

Sharontheodopolodous · 17/09/2024 12:55

katseyes7 · 17/09/2024 12:05

*Sharontheodopolodous *
I only lived in York for a year, but you're right, there was a lot of building work going on at the time, all over the city.
And l agree, the impression the police gave of her tainted the case (and l speak as ex police) - I suspect gave people a very skewed idea of the person she was. If it had been a man, that would either never have been mentioned, or only very briefly. It would never have impacted the investigation the way it did.
Also, her mother said that on the photo they used initially, her hair colour was wrong. I wonder who provided that photograph?
Purely my take on it, but l wonder if she was actually walking to work along Melrosegate - as you said there were at least two vehicles seen either stopping or stationary near her home around the time she'd be leaving for work which have never been traced. And she'd been picked up on the post office CCTV the afternoon before, so if she was, she never got that far, because she wasn't seen on the footage of the next morning when she disappeared..
I suspect either someone she knew offered her a lift, or she was snatched on the street near her house. I still think someone known to her was involved, though.

Yes,that photo

I knew people who knew people,who knew her who said that photo was wrong-her own mother said it was wrong but it took months to get the right photo out

It's never been said who provided that picture

If someone goes missing,you'd get an up to date one at least

I have a recent (ish) photo which shows me as long and dark haired but I'm now shorter haired and grey (I grew out the hair dye) but my partner would be telling the police about my change of appearance-they could easily find a cctv still of me

She would have had come out of her house,and turn right to walk down heworth road,past the shops/church,turn right up melrosegate,past the post office,past the shell garage,on Hull Road, past my parents street and onto the uni grounds

For some reason,I've seen documentaries that seem to think she went out of her front door and turned left-down heworth Road and either back round onto melrosegate or almost into town

That wouldn't have made sense either-thats miles out of her way

(I could be mistaken,but that's what the documentaries seem to think)

My father came out of his street,down melrosegate,past the post office,over the bridge/past the other church with the blue jesus statue and straight down the road,to the church,to which he turned off the other way to go to ds's flat

He didn't see her-he saw nobody at all on foot (he would have remembered as its unusual for a lone female to be walking at that time)

No cctv of her walking past the post office-i knew the postmaster,Gary,very well-nice chap but nothing on either side of the street but she was caught on it the day before, posting a letter

Why did it take 5/6 years to interview my ex and his colleagues?I mean he and the other men where in her street at around the time she left for work

Ditto the back alley

There is that one missing link to the jigsaw-she didn't make it much further than her front door-she either got a lift or was dragged away somewhere between her house and the church (which isn't far at all,a few minutes at best-ive walked it regularly)

But who?

I read that her best mate is now married to the man they think did it

They just can't prove it

TheGreatIndoors · 17/09/2024 12:50

Casey Anthony is guilty af

TheGreatIndoors · 17/09/2024 12:47

Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones. Partly because v local to me

Jon Benet Ramsay

Chris Watts. You could tell Shannan was a wonderful mother. I could totally see her on here posting about his infidelity and trying to keep her marriage together.

The staircase one where he said an eagle did it.

Swanbeauty · 17/09/2024 12:43

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thoonerismspread · 17/09/2024 12:40

If nobody was interested, we'd not have anyone trying to help find answers.

MOPs have been involved in the solving of many, many crimes, passed vital information, even outright found the solution. And as a PP said, we are wired to find solutions-if we weren't, we'd already have become extinct.

Far from 'ghoulish' in my opinion. We need to be interested. Of course be respectful, but if one of my loved ones was a victim I'd damn well want people talking about it.

ellebelli · 17/09/2024 12:19

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Withdrawn at OP's request.

All cases involving children get to me but james bulger, baby Peter and more recently Arthur labinjo hughes really stick in my mind and upset me.

katseyes7 · 17/09/2024 12:05

*Sharontheodopolodous *
I only lived in York for a year, but you're right, there was a lot of building work going on at the time, all over the city.
And l agree, the impression the police gave of her tainted the case (and l speak as ex police) - I suspect gave people a very skewed idea of the person she was. If it had been a man, that would either never have been mentioned, or only very briefly. It would never have impacted the investigation the way it did.
Also, her mother said that on the photo they used initially, her hair colour was wrong. I wonder who provided that photograph?
Purely my take on it, but l wonder if she was actually walking to work along Melrosegate - as you said there were at least two vehicles seen either stopping or stationary near her home around the time she'd be leaving for work which have never been traced. And she'd been picked up on the post office CCTV the afternoon before, so if she was, she never got that far, because she wasn't seen on the footage of the next morning when she disappeared..
I suspect either someone she knew offered her a lift, or she was snatched on the street near her house. I still think someone known to her was involved, though.

Sharontheodopolodous · 17/09/2024 11:56

katseyes7 · 17/09/2024 10:02

Sharontheodopolodous
I lived in one of the blocks in Olympian Court, which is just off Hull Road, and very close to the crossroads for Melrosegate/Tang Hall Club and the Shell garage, and l worked at Monks Cross at the time, so l travelled to and from work that way.
It's so weird, when l moved there (I'm from Northumberland) it didn't even occur to me until l saw the poster in Waitrose and then things started to click with me.
I'm pretty sure the police know who's responsible, but they don't have enough evidence, and people aren't talking. Someone MUST know. I reckon they do.

My parents live up the road to you

I remember them being built

I know monks cross very well-i prefer the shopping there,rather than the city centre

(I moved away a few years ago and I follow the case)

Someone knows something but due to loyality/marriage/friendship/fear/god only knows what,they've kept their mouths shut

A woman cannot walk to work and just vanish into thin air

I admit the case was badly handled-they claimed her love life was 'complex' and she was seeing people 'you wouldn't expect from a woman of her class'

I think that's when people lost sympathy and and urge to help-shes a 'posh slapper' who was a 'marriage wrecker' so she didn't deserve any help or justice

So wrong-if she'd been a man,the same lines would have either never been written/spoken or it would have been laughed at

It didn't matter what she did in her personal life,that was her business,what matters is,a young 35 year old woman walked to work and vanished

I pray she's alive but I lost hope ages ago-theres a lot of open land in york and a lot of building work happening at the uni at the time

Some people think she's under one of the buildings that where being built at the time

BrigadierEtienneGerard · 17/09/2024 11:29

Not "modern" murder cases no, but historic ones yes! Charles Bravo, Edmundbury Godfrey, Maria Marten etc etc. all fascinate me.

Hotdogsarevile · 17/09/2024 11:15

TheTwirlyPoos · 16/09/2024 21:14

Not an unsolved case but Star Hobson. I first read about the court case when I was sat in hospital with a broken arm and I became absolutely obsessed. Read the court transcripts every day. For months I thought of her every day. It's less now but still frequently. The horror of it all.

I cried and cried at this case, Star looked a bit like my DD who was the same age at the time. The thought of my own DD being so scared had me in tears every time I read anything about it. My DH eventually told me to stop - it was the right thing to do as it was consuming me 😢

AGirlInACountrySong · 17/09/2024 11:02

@Sharontheodopolodous

I went to the Black Museum once. You had to be a serving police officer and there was a long waiting list. It was very interesting!

I was leaning again a bath tub exhibit....turned out it was the bath Neilson had dismembered his victims in 🤢

Norma27 · 17/09/2024 10:42

I know I seem to have known loads but 2 young boys went missing by me on Boxing Day years ago. Called the milk carton boys as first to have their disappearance in milk cartons. I used to drink with a man who later went to prison for a murder in the 60s and he seems prime suspect for them. Brian Field is that murderer. Only caught for the other boy as caught drunk driving and the dna linked him

Norma27 · 17/09/2024 10:30

Swingoutsistersledge2 · 16/09/2024 23:48

Arthur Labinjo Jones. One of the most heartbreaking news stories. He is still in my thoughts to this day . RIP Arthur xxx

I know people who were trying to save him. It’s absolutely heartbreaking.

Sharontheodopolodous · 17/09/2024 10:28

The red shoe murder (york,21st sept,1946)

A little girl,Norma Dale (4) went out to play and never came home

Something to do with dropping by an aunts house but they didn't stay as Norma's mum wanted to go home as she had fabric to make a skirt and she wanted to make a start on it

If they'd stayed at the aunts house for that cuppa tea,Norma wouldn't have gone out to play at that time

They found her body and a red shoe but never caught who did it (the shoe lives in the black museum in london)

My father says they left it too long to call in Scotland Yard and it had been raining
unusually hard for that time of year

My father thinks she'd heard something she shouldn't have done and had to be kept quiet

My best friend used to live next door to the house Norma lived in and I'm related to her through my aunt

I remember my father telling me about it-I'd just bought my (then) 4 year old dd some red shoes as I thought they where pretty and a change to black-that sent shivers down my spine

A book has been written,but not published as the writers of the book,named who they think is the killer