To be absolutely sick of excuses being made for men's disgusting sexual behaviour? Trigfer warning. Hugh Edwards sentencing.

Standard then.

I know what my appropriate course of intervention would be- chemical castration and imprisonment.

You’re welcome to discuss it on MN - my original ask was for the PP to be less scathing about those of us who are sacrificing time with our family and in furthering our careers in order to help deliver justice, in particularly if they themselves are not willing to make that sacrifice.

It’s feasible I might hand down a suspended sentence in similar circumstances, and I don’t appreciate the implication that I should be investigated as a paedophile or paedophile sympathiser because of that. I’m actually a volunteer trying to do my best within the law and the guidance provided to me.

With most female prison inmates jailed for non-violent offences, including non-payment of TV licences, it's time to release female prisoners and use the space for violent men.

If that’s your interpretation, that’s for you to consider. I haven’t labelled any of your posts ‘nonsense’, even when I disagree with them, so it’s a shame you need to be discourteous to make your point. To address your final sentence, I work in the system and I hate what it’s become, but it’s easier to fix it from the inside than it is from outside.

Its gut wrenching, a world made for man - where these crimes are not taken seriously (but join a riot and straight to jail) . Abhorrent and I share your sentiments OP.

Don't forget the sob story about not getting into Oxford. I'm raging.

@Weiredeout

Why 'build more prisons'??

Who is going to staff them?? Nobody wants the job. Prison service is on its knees

I think perhaps need to remove men from making the decisions on csa. As there just seems to lenient a system and perhaps collusion?

However the other person had also got suspended sentence.

Also --- build more prisons!

More fool his mother for having him there! If it's anythkng like around here them windows will be smashed in before you can say suspended sentence!

A suspended sentence is no deterrent at all

Ridiculous thing to say.

Exactly.

Absolutely not the space for oh no not my Nigel.

Oh well that's ok then.

FFS the bar is getting lower by the day.

I think they should have banned him for life from using the internet/social media too, but I'm not sure that's possible.

Yes, he absolutely CAN be banned from the internet !! It might be part of his conditions

Aye but maybe there’d be more of a deterrent so they might not do it in the first place. A suspended sentence is no deterrent at all.

If you have a suspended sentence, it becomes a prison sentence if you reoffend.

If convicted of subsequent offences, you're more likely to have a custodial sentence due to previous offences that received a suspended sentence.

There will have been victim statements in court.

Whilst they’re in prison, of course it bloody stops!

@AccidentallyWesAnderson I know I am. I'm also free to post here

It's unpalatable to think it, but how do you think these photos come about? Mumsnet seems to love threads about sending DC off on sleepovers to random families where they just 'know' their kids are safe 🤔

As for Edwards, I suspect his conditions will be breached and he will end up serving custodial. Lots do.

So having a "puritanical" father makes you a paedophile?

Who knew........

Then why post the absolute nonsenses you did as if we should take comfort in it? You seem very keen to defend a broken system.

Where’s the evidence that imprisonment makes it stop?

So you don't think a court should know if, for example the convicted has engaged with therapy versus saying they'd do it again. Or were experiencing psychosis/mania or off their head on drugs at the time. Or have a life limiting illness. Or committed offences in company of coercive person they've now broken contact with. Etc.

Mitigation isn't the same as 'things that make it ok to have done this'. It's things to be taken into account on the whole, when deciding a suitable sentence. The range of sentences is set out, the judge looks at aggravating and mitigating factors to work out what's appropriate.

@Haroldwilson

Do you believe that there are any fair 'mitigating circumstances' that should allow a man downloading, viewing and wanking over images of children being abused and raped, to have a lesser sentence?

What are those mitigating circumstances?

He's as good as in prison. Where can he go in this country without being recognised? He doesn't even really need a tag - he can't go out.

His career is over. What can he really do? Volunteer perhaps, but who'd have him? He wouldn't pass a DBS investigation.

He's been living with his mother - I won't say where, but South Wales is a small community and locals know where he is. He's 63, so she must be mid 80s at least.

He really has no life now.

I think they should have banned him for life from using the internet/social media too, but I'm not sure that's possible.

What got me was his legal team submitting "remorse" as a reason for mitigation. Of course he is remorseful, he got caught! Bet you any amount of money he wouldn't have just given it all up by himself.

He was obviously aware that he should cover his arse by saying nothing underage to have an audit trail. He received images that were clearly of primary age children and did not object. Why he hasn't been jailed is beyond me.

I get this completely. I feel utterly sick and I am crying for those have been hurt.

So you don't think a court should know if, for example the convicted has engaged with therapy versus saying they'd do it again. Or were experiencing psychosis/mania or off their head on drugs at the time. Or have a life limiting illness. Or committed offences in company of coercive person they've now broken contact with. Etc.

Mitigation isn't the same as 'things that make it ok to have done this'. It's things to be taken into account on the whole, when deciding a suitable sentence. The range of sentences is set out, the judge looks at aggravating and mitigating factors to work out what's appropriate.