To be absolutely sick of excuses being made for men's disgusting sexual behaviour? Trigfer warning. Hugh Edwards sentencing.

Be careful. That's just not true. A few do. We can't ever assume that a woman can't be a paedophile.

Once again, sorry if my posts irritate you, but that’s what happens when people make points that go against the accepted narrative on here. Interesting that I am not the one throwing insults about or being overly critical either. There are plenty of comments I don’t like on this thread, but I haven’t once felt the need to be rude, personal or derogatory, or question someone’s sex. Why don’t you have a think about that?

Smug

Say you give people who share child abuse images a default life sentence, no mitigating factors taken into account.

What do you then make the sentence for more severe crimes? Would you give the same sentence to someone downloading images and abusing a child in person?

As I've said a few times, it's the scale that's the problem with this crime. If the sentencing guidelines said to, for example, imprison someone with HE's circumstances to 5 years and ban him from Internet access etc. as part of his prevention order on release, how are you building and staffing half a million prison places, and funding the probation officers and courts to deal with the fallout?

I don't think anyone is in disagreement that law enforcement and the courts should be doing everything in their power to prevent and deter this crime type. But what is the actual solution? Locking up potentially 830,000 UK offenders isn't possible no matter how much we'd like to.

I’ m not surprised by any of the comments on here, this has gone down exactly as I expected it to.

Nope. Again you miss the 'justice' and 'punishment' elements of our criminal justice system, in favour purely of 'reducing reoffending'. If you lean any further left, you're going to fall off the edge of reality.

It is completely legitimate for people to question why the 'cold' and 'rational' law does not appear adequately punitive to the perpetrators of CSA which is one of the most hideous crimes.

The posters who have access to statistics about the number of women who are charged with CSA offences (in whatever capacity) or who are 'known to SS' - it might be helpful to post them and/or links to them in the interest of a fuller context for your posts.

It’s a bit rich to talk about how I come across and then call me a “nonce defender”.

Obviously not all of them, which is why I mentioned non violent female prisoners. Jesus wept.

I think sentencing guidelines are arrived at by research into what seems to work best in reducing reoffending.

The law is cold and rational and sometimes seems unfair. But that's because the system attempts to apply it equally across the board. Using logic rather than emotion.

If you sentenced according to impact on victim, you're basically sentencing according to how vulnerable or resilient the victim is. If a victim manages to avoid mental health problems or impact on career and relationships etc - should a crime against them have a lesser punishment?

Who are you calling paedo apologists? I haven't seen one.

Errrm, some do though. Am pretty sure you would be rather shocked (as I was) if you seen the no. of females known to SS for csa.
Predominantly pathetic disgusting males though.

@ClockwiseHoneysuckle Are you male or female?

Come on @TealTraybake and @YellowphantGrey we all know there's no such thing as a NAMALT free thread about an offending man. The thread about Gisele Pelicot last week had them NAMALTing and Not My Nigeling all over the fucking place. A thread about 70 plus men raping a woman.

We should also remember it's the fault of the women who raised them and that women should really be taking responsibility for fixing the problem. But then women are just as bad, aren't they?

What the hell is wrong with people?

I do wonder about some judges and how the law is applied.

Perhaps the law needs amending.

His life is not even close to being ruined compared to what the victims will have to deal with. I find it pretty offensive that people keep saying this, but it shows clearly that many people don’t realise the impact abuse has on children for the rest of their lives,

I can understand it's a deterrent for re-offending, but not a deterrent in the first place.

That's what this thread is about. Saying we don't agree with those decisions. Yet you constantly defend those decisions. You give off such an overwhelming stench of smugness that I couldn't believe you were female but there we go.

I'm all for castrating these fuckers.

It absolutely IS in part about punishment and justice for the victim.

Eurgh this is so wrong. Men who do this should be fucking castrated.

In an ideal world we'd have automatic prison sentences in hope of a deterent for this. But reality is that prisons are overcrowded as it is and its expensive to keep a person in prison, do we all want to foot a greater tax bill for these scumbags?
Grim though he is, his life is ruined in many ways so I'm not hung up about it. Yes it would be nice if men like this didn't exist, but again, they always will be deviants around in life.
Because of who he is, he will have more eyes on him. Perhaps an enforced fine to be paid to a children's charity, could get some recompence out of people with means, who after all have been only too willing to part with cash for their disgusting habit.

ah, folks! it's ok it's his wife's fault.

Dr Karen Ingala Smith on X: "STOP! It's OK. It's his wife's fault: "At the time of the offences, Mr Edwards describes an unhealthy lifestyle featuring excessive use and misuse of prescribed medication. He has expressed some disappointment that although family members had commented on these changes, there" / X (twitter.com)

screenshot for those not on twitter

...Edwards had a risk of taking his own life...

Oh what a shame if he did, one less paedo on the planet.