To be absolutely sick of excuses being made for men's disgusting sexual behaviour? Trigfer warning. Hugh Edwards sentencing.

That rioter had an extensive criminal record. Both sentences were handed down in accordance with the guidelines.

It's worth looking at the full post by FPFW because it goes into the details but I included the part that indicates nobody knows for sure—and this is because of the way that Police Forces and the Prison Service collect data. However, FPFW has done some calculations that I've added below.

According to official MOJ figures, in 2019 there were 13359 people in prison convicted of sexual offences. 125 of these are recorded as female and another 76 are known to be males who identify as women. This means there are around 200 sex offenders in prison who either is a woman or self-identifies as woman. The ratio of women to transwomen in prison for sexual offences is around 3:2. In other words, there are two transwomen for every three women in prison convicted of sex offending. That’s 38% of the ‘women’ in prison for sex offending actually being transwomen.
If this same ratio applies to police reports of child sexual abuse it is reasonable to assume that up to 38% of the 2297 recorded as perpetrated by ‘females’ may also in fact be male’s who identify as women. That’s almost 900 males recorded as female. This would be enough to account for almost all of the reported increase since 2015.

UPDATE: BBC claims that in 2019 there were 66 females in prison for England and Wales convicted of sexual offences against a child. FOI data obtained by us confirms there were also at least 23 male-born trans prisoners in for sexual activity with a child (not counting child grooming or attempting to incite a girl aged 13-15 into penetrative sexual activity). More FOIs have been submitted today to get the total number. Based on what we already know its clear that for child sexual abuse there is at least 1 male-born transgender offender for every 3 female offenders. Any claims that the numbers are too low to impact crime statistics is demonstrably wrong.

I have never mentioned a PhD as I don’t have one. I haven’t defended the sentence, but it is commensurate with the particular circumstances WHEN looked at other similar cases. You may think that my training is wrong, but as you aren’t the intended audience for my role and work it doesn’t matter.

I can’t see the thread. What do you believe to be acceptable mitigating circumstances for abusing a child?

I’m also so shocked.

Yes.
I won't write stuff, it would get removed.

I'll never fail to understand why these types of sick crimes never get the punishment they deserve?! Yet a rioter gets 9 years in prison!! Unbelievable 😡

If we're not even able to identify and discuss the problem of male violence and abuse how can society begin to look at ways to improve things? All this obfuscation and deflection about women as sex offenders etc is not helpful. What I really don't understand is the motivation of the NAMALT crew.

Unfortunately there is no science to it, but a lack of new charges or convictions would be one way to measure ‘success’ for want of a better term. In fact, it’s probably the only way to measure it, which I agree is far from perfect. It’s the same as all those doing it who are yet to be caught, and ironically those in prison - it’s really not feasible to monitor anyone’s behaviour 24/7.

How are they classing women? Is it actual females or males identifying as females?

I know you haven't defended his actions you have defended his sentencing. I'm pretty sure upthread you mentioned your extensive experience in the criminal justice system including a PHd? The implication being that because you have all this training in the criminal justice system you must be right about the sentence being correct. What you are conveniently ignoring is that it isn't working. It's not stopping offending and it's not stopping re-offending. So your training has been wrong.

my point is that if poor mental health caused it, you’d expect women to be equally represented

Not sure that's true - mental health difficulties resulting from child abuse tend to present differently in men and women [generalisation]

Men = more acting out/more alcohol &substance misuse
Women = more self harm/more depression

There's also research which explores trigger factors for moving from a victim of abuse to a perpertrator of abuse eg bullying in school is a common factor

I could cry, I'm so angry.

I'm so tired of being on a site that is predominantly female, where the majority are parents where you see multiple posts about abusive men and it always been excused in one way or another

And a site where parents can't be be angry about a paedophile without other parents minimising the crime

It's exhausting

Agreed!

The Louis Theroux documentary on paedophiles was incredibly eye opening. Some opted to be castrated in the hope they wouldn’t be attracted to children. It is just who they’re sexually attracted to and they can’t be changed or rehabilitated. I have no idea what the societal solution to it is, short of locking them all up which we can’t afford as a country.

The suspended sentence sadly isn’t surprising. They’re happy to lock someone up for three years for an ‘offensive’ tweet but looking at child abuse is fine.

I'll do it!

Also I wonder how many of the sex crimes recorded as being done by women were actually carried out by male women? I don’t know if “Amy George”’s crimes are recorded as being by a woman or a man?

we know that at least 400 rapes have been recorded as being done by “women” when it can only be carried out at by a penis.

another reason for accurately recorded the sex of criminals, not pandering to their gender identity’s

And* *can people also stop the victim blaming re DV please.
This below:

I want the women of Mumsnet to stop letting men treat them as doormats, to see that controlling finances, not sharing finances, changing for men, putting up with their criticism, needing to ask if they are being unfair about their husband's when they should know you should never have to ask if this behaviour is OK! Are people really that lonely and insecure that they cannot stand on their own two feet and would rather just put up with the abuse of men??

I know several women who've experienced DV. They're not "too insecure to stand on their own two feet". The issue is lack of support to leave - financial, housing, etc. If people genuinely care about reducing DV, we need more social housing and a supportive benefits system.

Guess what happens to many women who leave DV? They become homeless and are put in substandard temporary accommodation - often in the same blocks as ex prisoners (possibly including other people's abusers) and people with substance issues.

Of course people with substance issues and ex prisoners - thosewho aren't a danger to the public should get housing help (if a danger, they should be in prison or secure hospital). But not together with vulnerable DV victims.

I can't believe this thread. People victim blaming DV victims, and people downplaying child sex abuse (and being offensive to victims of CSA)!

Happens all the time around here, but the families who hunt them down for revenge get worse sentences than the actual nonces.

"There would be no purpose in sending him to prison." What about the message that this sends to victims of abuse? Do you think they feel they've received justice when a suspended sentence is handed down?

I don't think PPs claimed "never".

It's always wise not to overlook the safeguarding of children and vulnerable people.

Potentially interesting follow-up on the figures you cite.

New figures obtained by the BBC programme ‘File on Four’ under Freedom of Information laws over the same time period say there were 2297 reports of child sexual abuse in which the perpetrator was recorded as female; representing just 3% of all CSA reports.

However, the BBC also makes the dramatic claim that the number of reported cases of child sexual abuse perpetrated by women has doubled in recent years:
“Between 2015 and 2019, the numbers of reported cases of female-perpetrated child sexual abuse to police in England and Wales rose from 1,249 to 2,297 – an increase of 84%.”
Are more women really sexually abusing children?
The answer is we simply don’t know. It’s impossible to make this claim from the data available.
For starters, we don’t know if there has been a general increase in reporting of CSA or if this is an increase specific to female-perpetrated CSA only. Either way however, the ONS notes in its Crime Survey dataset (Table 32) that “police recorded crime data are not designated as National Statistics” and “comparisons should not be made between years.

Also, a 84% increase may sound high but the real-term increase in the reported figure for female-perpetrated CSA is small in number. If the total number of reported CSA has remained constant over the last few years then the observed increase from 1249 to 2297 reports of female-perpetrated CSA represents a shift from around 1.5% to 3% of all CSA committed by females. This small change is unlikely to be statistically significant.
Most significantly of all, we also know that the ‘sex’ disaggregated data held by the police doesn’t actually record what most people think it does. Police forces now record crimes based on self-declared gender and not birth sex. In 2019 Fair Play For Women submitted a series of Freedom of Information requests to find out how the police record the sex of a suspect when a crime is reported.
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https://fairplayforwomen.com/sex_data_wrong/

All that made him say 'amazing' when sent photos of children as young as 7 being molested.

I didn't know this. That is so shocking.

I feel sick.

We need a female Batman who visits these bastards with 2 bricks, if you catch my drift.

It’s been said multiple times on this thread, echoed by many other posters. I know it’s fashionable to pile on me right now, but out of interest, why don’t you ask some of the others?

No one has said women don't do it?

However why can't a thread about yet another man committing acts of paedophilia that he has been found guilty not just be allowed to run without people having to mention that women do it too?

It's like men's crimes have to be minimised all the time

Is it though? Really? How effectively?
I saw Dino Nocivelli (a partner in the Abuse Dept at Leigh Day solicitors) providing analysis on the BBC earlier today, while the Westminster Chief Magistrate was taking sentencing advice, and even he said that these offenders' activities can't be monitored 24/7 in the community, and he has a wealth of experience in providing legal support to victims of abuse.