To be absolutely sick of excuses being made for men's disgusting sexual behaviour? Trigfer warning. Hugh Edwards sentencing.

Empathy-gap, that's why sadly.

@Puzzledandpissedoff it goes right far more than it goes wrong, but oddly, that’s never talked about.

Well, not unless he spends the rest of his life in prison!

it’s possible to manage people’s behaviour without them being in prison

In theory perhaps, @WinterMorn, but then when it all goes wrong - as it so often does - we simply get the standard whine about "lack of resources" and "lessons being learned"

For me, in order for folk to have any confidence at all in the system, it's important for justice not simply to be done but seen to be done, and for very many this just ain't it

It''s not even about revenge but retribution - an important difference which I appreciated seeing described thus:
"Revenge is a response to wrongdoing that aims to deter future harm by causing the offender pain. Retribution is a response to wrongdoing that aims to prevent future crime by punishing the guilty, protecting the innocent, and restoring societal balance"

@Lovelyview that’s not true at all. I even said earlier that I hated what the system had become.

This.

Sick to fuck of it.

It's insufferable.

Maybe there's some prize for who can get the NAMALTIng and "Women do it too" in most.

I really don't understand why people minimise the harm done by the recent riots - not just burning things down, attacking mosques/hotels etc etc but the absolute terror experienced by people living in those towns - IDK 10s or 100s thousands of people too frightened to leave their homes/use public transport particularly women of colour

@Efacsen No one is minimising that persons offences. They're saying that making, downloading, sharing images and videos of children being abused and raped are worse. The sentencing guidelines for THAT crime should reflect that. They do not.

A suspended sentence for, again, making, downloading, sharing and wanking over images of babies and children should be far, far harsher. There are NO mitigating factors for doing any of those things. None.

IDK about 50 years ago but the prison population has doubled from 44K to 89K since 1991

And we imprison a larger % of the population than more or less any country in Europe

The acts of paedophilia ruin lives, including that of my own.
There need to be harsher, longer sentences and monitoring of the inhuman cunts, for example if they are given a sexual harm prevention order. The police are slack on monitoring and they do not act soon enough much of the time.

Because you show no awareness that the sentencing guidelines might be wrong. If you follow women's rights you also follow a sorry parade of the vilest abusers being given extremely light sentences often because it might damage their career or affect their mental health adversely. Possessing child abuse images seems to be treated especially lightly despite the fact that the money generated from them fuels further abuse.

There has to be a zero tolerance approach to this kind of offence. Those poor children in those images deserve justice, and those who buy/view them should be locked up.

The reality HE who read the new, knew about convictions and prison etc etc continued over a period of time to do this knowing there would be limit of suspended sentence so is it a deterrent --- NO!
The other guy was i think already known peaedophile did it stop him.
Realistically it may be hard to stop people viewing images but current system is not working. If with the internet (and men living much longer and fewer wars etc) the number of children affected will continue to grow and number of offenders will too.
What are the numbers of prisons/prisoners now vs 50yrs ago with alo the population growth?

So why, if you know that, are you repeatedly having a pop at me?

And that, in itself, is an absolute scandal.
"On 9 February, 2024, there were 3,623 women in prison in England and Wales. There were 5,286 receptions of women into prison in the year to June 2023, either on remand or to serve a sentence. (Prison Reform Trust; Factfile February 2024) . As well as all of the Prison Law advice required by men – including adjudications, categorisation, parole, release on license, recall, discrimination and healthcare – women require specialist attention in prison because around two thirds have dependent children and many have, themselves, been the victims of crime and abuse. Women are subject to short custodial sentences for minor crimes such as Council Tax evasion or shoplifting. These can have disproportionately catastrophic consequences, causing women to lose their homes and jobs – or, worse, have children taken into care or permanently adopted. In addition, with so few women’s prisons in England and Wales, women are often incarcerated hundreds of miles from home and family." [Source: Prisoners' Advice Service]
Why are we still imprisoning women for "minor crimes such as Council Tax evasion or shoplifting" but not men for these types of abusive crime? It's simply unfathomable to me.

I'm pointing out facts that affect the sentencing guidelines.

I really don't understand why people minimise the harm done by the recent riots - not just burning things down, attacking mosques/hotels etc etc but the absolute terror experienced by people living in those towns - IDK 10s or 100s thousands of people too frightened to leave their homes/use public transport particularly women of colour

We know that it's in line with other sentencing. That's why we're so angry.

It was a hot minute before the NAMALTers, Not My Nigel and ‘women are just as bad’ crew descended on that thread too.

I agree, you’re not alone. My therapist tries to tell me that as a society we don’t tolerate child abuse. I strongly disagree.

And his previous crimes were worse than being a paedophile? 🙄🙄🙄

Especially the case in France atm. That poor woman.

(Nrtft so apologies if this has been mentioned already)

But I'm so so angry. For our children and for women. And all because men can't control their sexual desires.

You seem to be (purposefully) misunderstanding what 'mitigating' means in the legal context.

This.
When I turned 42, I started hating men, they repulsed me pretty much since teenage years
/I'm straight if it's relevant/.
So happy now that I don't have to get anyhow involved with any of them.

Thank you for that. I will read it later when I don't have a banging headache.

I was disgusted that he did not get a custodial sentence. I once saw an interview with a really brave woman who had been abused as child, images were made and shared of her abuse and she spoke about the life long effect of knowing that those pictures were more than likely still circulating somewhere and some creature was perving over them.