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To be absolutely sick of excuses being made for men's disgusting sexual behaviour? Trigfer warning. Hugh Edwards sentencing.

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UCConfuseMe · 16/09/2024 13:13

Just read that Hugh Edwards ahs been given a suspended sentence.

And if course it's not his fault. He had a mean Daddy and some mental health issues and some bad things going on in his life, poor lamb.

All that made him say 'amazing' when sent photos of children as young as 7 being molested.

Having a rough time and a strict father doesn't make you a fucking paedophile!!!

Take responsibility for your predatory and vile behaviour!!

To be absolutely sick of excuses being made for men's disgusting sexual behaviour? Trigfer warning. Hugh Edwards sentencing.
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SerafinasGoose · 16/09/2024 18:14

And also, that means enabling paedophiles to come forward without shame for treatment/help. I'm not referring to people who are doing harm - I'm talking about (probably young) men who realise they have unhealthy attraction to children. BEFORE they access images of children, BEFORE they touch a child......let's get these people help. There will be some that don't want help and glory in their sick tastes - but there will be some that are disgusted with themselves. Right now, there's no easy way to seek help - there needs to be a pathway that can be offered to men to prevent them continuing, to prevent them doing harm to children. People don't like to talk about this because it's dismissed as being a "paedo sympathiser" but nothing can be further from the truth. Prevention is so, so important because only by throwing resources at early prevention together with deterrents and restrictions for offenders, will we actually achieve anything. It's how we protect our children.

Excellent points. FWIW, I've been a victim of child abuse and sexual abuse.

Sometimes this is flagged before harm is done. Many years ago I worked with a MAP (multi-agency protection) initative for the rehabilitation of sexual offenders. Those referred to them for treatment as younger and adolescent boys were the ones for whom treatment was likely to be most effective. This was flagged on a red and amber card system. All the research cited by this organisation showed the odds of rehabilitating an adult, male sex offender were low. It has to be caught at a young age.They worked alongside NOTA, a charity committed to working with professionals for the prevention of sexual abuse. This charity had some amazing academics working within it who had published knowledgeable and fascinating material in the field.

The first notable thing about MAP was its lack of conspicuousness. It was housed in an ordinary house. It might have been a dental surgery or a drugs rehabilitation centre. Had they not been incognito, these people would very likely have been open to vigilantism.

The issue is, as you say, that the pathway is complex and the flags too infrequently acted-upon. The work does go on - it goes on inconpicuously owing to its very nature - but it happens. The title of the organisation suggests that the names are filtering through the familial line through already being in the multi-agency system, local hospitals, schools, social services, lawyers and guardians ad litem, and other child protection charities and organisations. But the numbers we know about have to be minuscule in view of the amount of this behaviour we know goes on unreported.

The good news in response to your post is that this treatment work is ongoing. It does happen.

The bad news, as ever with funding desperately urgent issues such as these, is that it's not happening nearly enough.

SerenityNowInsanityLater · 16/09/2024 18:13

AGirlInACountrySong · 16/09/2024 18:11

@SerenityNowInsanityLater

Dedicated members of staff like the prison guards filming themselves having sex with the inmates? That takes dedication to a whole new level.

No the officer filming herself wouldn't do that role

It's an OSG job. Completely different

Oh ok! Well, it’s good to know about the literal inner workings of our robust prison system! 😳

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 16/09/2024 18:13

Efacsen · 16/09/2024 16:44

I really don't understand why people minimise the harm done by the recent riots - not just burning things down, attacking mosques/hotels etc etc but the absolute terror experienced by people living in those towns - IDK 10s or 100s thousands of people too frightened to leave their homes/use public transport particularly women of colour

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Thank you - agreed

AGirlInACountrySong · 16/09/2024 18:11

@SerenityNowInsanityLater

Dedicated members of staff like the prison guards filming themselves having sex with the inmates? That takes dedication to a whole new level.

No the officer filming herself wouldn't do that role

It's an OSG job. Completely different

oakleaffy · 16/09/2024 18:11

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 16/09/2024 17:29

YANBU.
Suspended sentence!! I might have damn known.

It made me wonder if Edwards was a Freemason.

There was an Ex Cop who looked after Andrew {'royal'} and he said Freemasonry was rife - Probably lesser sentences for a 'Brother'.

Very disappointing.

WinterMorn · 16/09/2024 18:11

RainbowZebraWarrior · 16/09/2024 18:09

You have absolutely tried to control the narrative. You have told many of us that we are wrong, that we don't know what we are talking about. Out of 400 posts on this entire thread so far, 50 of them are yours. That feels very much like trying to control the narrative to me.

The fact you need to count my posts says more about your character than mine. Where have I said to anyone that they don’t know what they are talking about?

RainbowZebraWarrior · 16/09/2024 18:09

WinterMorn · 16/09/2024 18:04

You are mistaken. I have not provided any stats. Nor have I tried to control the narrative, as if you are going to accuse me of that, it will need to apply to every other person who has offered any sort of opinion.

You have absolutely tried to control the narrative. You have told many of us that we are wrong, that we don't know what we are talking about. Out of 400 posts on this entire thread so far, 50 of them are yours. That feels very much like trying to control the narrative to me.

SerenityNowInsanityLater · 16/09/2024 18:09

Well, go figure. I wonder why that is?

WinterMorn · 16/09/2024 18:09

SerenityNowInsanityLater · 16/09/2024 18:07

Is it though?

Yes. But bear in mind that my opinions don’t seem to be universally popular on here!

oakleaffy · 16/09/2024 18:07

The judgement let down EVERY SINGLE child who has been sexually abused.

It's quite frankly disgraceful.

SerenityNowInsanityLater · 16/09/2024 18:07

Is it though?

WinterMorn · 16/09/2024 18:07

SerenityNowInsanityLater · 16/09/2024 18:04

Dedicated members of staff like the prison guards filming themselves having sex with the inmates? That takes dedication to a whole new level.

Come on now. That’s totally unfair to make a generalisation like that.

SerenityNowInsanityLater · 16/09/2024 18:04

WinterMorn · 16/09/2024 18:01

The prison service is in a huge mess thanks to successive governments and despite the many dedicated members of staff, some of whom are on this thread, there is an issue with contraband, mobile phones and so forth. Some of this inevitably relates to convictions.

Dedicated members of staff like the prison guards filming themselves having sex with the inmates? That takes dedication to a whole new level.

WinterMorn · 16/09/2024 18:04

YellowphantGrey · 16/09/2024 17:59

Are you surprised you've faced hostility when you've come on and tried to control the narrative by insisting it's women too, providing stats to justify this and then tried to stop people feeling angry over a paedophile walking free

People are allowed to be angry, it's not your job to stop this or minimise his crime

You are mistaken. I have not provided any stats. Nor have I tried to control the narrative, as if you are going to accuse me of that, it will need to apply to every other person who has offered any sort of opinion.

RainbowZebraWarrior · 16/09/2024 18:01

YellowphantGrey · 16/09/2024 17:59

Are you surprised you've faced hostility when you've come on and tried to control the narrative by insisting it's women too, providing stats to justify this and then tried to stop people feeling angry over a paedophile walking free

People are allowed to be angry, it's not your job to stop this or minimise his crime

Absolutely agree with this.

WinterMorn · 16/09/2024 18:01

The prison service is in a huge mess thanks to successive governments and despite the many dedicated members of staff, some of whom are on this thread, there is an issue with contraband, mobile phones and so forth. Some of this inevitably relates to convictions.

AGirlInACountrySong · 16/09/2024 18:00

@AngelicKaty no. There will be strict monitoring in place

Startingagainandagain · 16/09/2024 18:00

I find it disgusting that such behaviour is trivialised and not correctly punished.

The worse thing is that it means that the people producing these images and those accessing them know they can get away with it, so children will continue to be abused.

In fact it seems that men are constantly getting away with abusing, raping and hurting children and women in this world.

Vile.

Naunet · 16/09/2024 18:00

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 16/09/2024 17:05

Well, not unless he spends the rest of his life in prison!

But no one has suggested that once they come out, that’s where monitoring should end, whereas some are suggesting we don’t need prison at all.

YellowphantGrey · 16/09/2024 17:59

WinterMorn · 16/09/2024 17:55

@SpidersAreShitheads thank you 🌷 I have faced some very open hostility on here today and your post encapsulates exactly where we are with the current situation.

Are you surprised you've faced hostility when you've come on and tried to control the narrative by insisting it's women too, providing stats to justify this and then tried to stop people feeling angry over a paedophile walking free

People are allowed to be angry, it's not your job to stop this or minimise his crime

AngelicKaty · 16/09/2024 17:58

WinterMorn · 16/09/2024 13:40

There are a huge amount of convicted sex offenders being effectively managed by the police and probation services every day. If someone wants to re-offend, they will, whether or not they are in custody. If they don’t want to, they won’t.

Wow. Are you genuinely telling us that, even in custody, these people can continue their offending? What does that say about the prison system? If true, that's utterly depressing.

WinterMorn · 16/09/2024 17:55

@SpidersAreShitheads thank you 🌷 I have faced some very open hostility on here today and your post encapsulates exactly where we are with the current situation.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 16/09/2024 17:54

Children who are abused are rarely snatched off the street, they are groomed and coerced by people they trust. The emotional and psychological damage will be every bit as serious as the physical injuries

Once again i agree completely, @FOJN, but WinterMorn did raise a very vaid point around just how much people care in the longer term as opposed to when something like this breaks

Clearly abuse can happen anywhere, but given how much of it involves the internet one way ahead would be to heavily restrict children's access to unsuitable content. Suggest this though, and many who allow their children to access sites supposedly restricted to those much older will insist they've got to have it because "all their friends do", "they'll be isolated without it" and all the rest

Or in other words they care sufficiently to join the outcry when cases like this crop up, but not enough to make the more difficult choices in their own lives

AngelicKaty · 16/09/2024 17:53

Naunet · 16/09/2024 13:37

I’m asking this kindly as someone who was abused as a child, please, please don’t call it porn. It’s child abuse, just because men wank over it, it doesn’t make it porn.

Absolutely this. Porn largely involves consent (admittedly, not always), but this is NEVER the case with child abuse (filmed or otherwise).

OonaStubbs · 16/09/2024 17:47

Anyone convicted of child sex offences should get life in prison, no ifs, no buts. Throw them in a cell until they are dead.

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