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To go nc with Dsis over private school ?

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Maria1979 · 16/09/2024 09:50

For background: my older Dsis is a teacher (or was because she's working in another field now) and is against private schools. She has worked in ONE private school for three years and is an expert (according to herself) of how things are done in all schools whether private or not. She has got one DD who went in to the local secondary y7. My DS went in to private school y7 (they're the same age). Ever since she has not stopped with her comments on private schools. According to her they give out good grades because the parents are paying for it. The school we chose is not expensive compared to most and they have a waiting list and only take in children who are already "good students" just like grammar school so I told Dsis that maybe that's why the students got good grades. She would not hear about it. She keeps on praising her DD's school even though staff turnover is high and it's clear that my DS's school is better (pastoral, dedicated staff, well-mannered children etc). I don't tell her that, I just nod, smile and say I'm happy you're happy and leave it at that. She's not jealous; DStepM helped us out with the fees and said she would help Dsis too if she wanted it. Every single time we talk she has to put DS's school down. She has the decency to be subtle about it infront of DS but she still has to say something. I asked her to not be so negative about something she knows nothing about. My DS is highly sensitive and quite fragile and he would be a likely target for bullying in Dsis' DD's school. He is very happy about his school and I wish that she could just leave it.

I'm not exaggerating: every single time I see her she just has to make a snide remark. It's like she's mad at me for not making the same choices as she is. It's gotten to a point where I want to go nc with her because she always makes me so upset and I feel so defensive around her just waiting for her "remark of the day". So AIBU to go nc with her until she has accepted to stop putting down DS's school ?

OP posts:
Calliopespa · 16/09/2024 13:20

JacquelineShit · 16/09/2024 13:18

See my above link.

PBP = Previously banned poster

Ah! That makes sense. A bit less exciting, but logical.

Maria1979 · 16/09/2024 13:19

Howmanyusernames123 · 16/09/2024 13:10

Dh’s sister thinks we can afford it- she sent hers to private school. We absolutely can’t, even with bursaries. We did the sums.

i would be surprised if a teachers salary stretches to private school.

given their relationship I’m surprised o/p knows enough details about her sisters income and outgoings to be able to say what she can afford. Maybe she has debts, maybe her preference is to see them through uni debt free. Maybe she can afford it but it would be tight and they’d have to cut down on other areas she’d rather not.

if she’s been a teacher her salary won’t have been massive to be able to put aside sums for private school.

regardless imo the two siblings/gc are being treated differently and I do not agree with that.

Dsm is helping us out and has said she's happy to help Dsis out.

OP posts:
JacquelineShit · 16/09/2024 13:18

Calliopespa · 16/09/2024 13:15

The acronymI want to know is PBP which the deletions in this post have used.

“ Posted before pondering?” ; “Posted by pig-ignorant!”; “ Pointless, bigoted post?”

See my above link.

PBP = Previously banned poster

McHot · 16/09/2024 13:18

Easy technique - 3 word stuck record

She brings up school, you say "we've covered this".

And repeat as many times/occasions as necessary until she gets bored.

TubeScreamer · 16/09/2024 13:18

No contact is OTT. Why not just say ‘shall we just agree to disagree and talk about something more interesting’.

JacquelineShit · 16/09/2024 13:17

Howmanyusernames123 · 16/09/2024 13:10

Dh’s sister thinks we can afford it- she sent hers to private school. We absolutely can’t, even with bursaries. We did the sums.

i would be surprised if a teachers salary stretches to private school.

given their relationship I’m surprised o/p knows enough details about her sisters income and outgoings to be able to say what she can afford. Maybe she has debts, maybe her preference is to see them through uni debt free. Maybe she can afford it but it would be tight and they’d have to cut down on other areas she’d rather not.

if she’s been a teacher her salary won’t have been massive to be able to put aside sums for private school.

regardless imo the two siblings/gc are being treated differently and I do not agree with that.

All I and anyone else can do is go on what the OP says, given she knows her sister and we don't.

And she says she can afford it.

Teaandorangeschina · 16/09/2024 13:16

Haven't read the whole thread but your sister's suggestion that private schools 'give out good grades because the parents are paying for it' is utterly ridiculous. That's not how public exams work! I'm not sure examiners even know what school kids attend when they mark papers - even if they do, it wouldn't make any difference to the results. GCSE and A-level grade boundaries don't have anything to do with school fees - that's actually a mad thing to say.

Calliopespa · 16/09/2024 13:15

oakleaffy · 16/09/2024 12:55

Abbreviations on Mumsnet are VVI {Very very irritating}

It's infested with acronyms and it's assumed one understands what people mean by them.

For some reason ''D'' means Darling [?] so DSis =Darling Sister.
DS= Darling son,

DD Darling Daughter- {or confusingly, ''Darling Dog''}

NC {the biggie on Mumsnet} where going ''No contact'' is a thing - but in real life, discussing things with a family member is often much more productive.

Some acronyms you will see referred to often is ND {Neurodiverse} and it's opposite number, NT {Neurotypical}

AIBU = Am I being unreasonable
AINBU =Am I not being unreasobable.

The acronymI want to know is PBP which the deletions in this post have used.

“ Posted before pondering?” ; “Posted by pig-ignorant!”; “ Pointless, bigoted post?”

HPFA · 16/09/2024 13:15

Wouldn't mind betting there's a whole history behind this - it reminds me of episodes of Frasier where they start dragging up ancient grievances against each other.

Viviennemary · 16/09/2024 13:11

You are being a bit silly. She is entitled to her views on private schools. And you taking subsidies from inlaws to pay the fees, she probably doesn't approve of that either,

Sugarsugarahhoneyhoney · 16/09/2024 13:11

Just be an adult and say you don't want to discuss it.

Howmanyusernames123 · 16/09/2024 13:10

JacquelineShit · 16/09/2024 13:01

The OP said her sister could afford it.

Dh’s sister thinks we can afford it- she sent hers to private school. We absolutely can’t, even with bursaries. We did the sums.

i would be surprised if a teachers salary stretches to private school.

given their relationship I’m surprised o/p knows enough details about her sisters income and outgoings to be able to say what she can afford. Maybe she has debts, maybe her preference is to see them through uni debt free. Maybe she can afford it but it would be tight and they’d have to cut down on other areas she’d rather not.

if she’s been a teacher her salary won’t have been massive to be able to put aside sums for private school.

regardless imo the two siblings/gc are being treated differently and I do not agree with that.

BreatheAndFocus · 16/09/2024 13:10

I think next time she brings it up you should say something like, “I’m sorry you’re feeling so insecure about your choice of school. You keep bringing it up all the time as though you’re trying to convince yourself. I’m happy with my son’s school - hence I don’t feel the need to talk about it all the time or criticise other people’s school choices”.

Hopefully that will stop her, but you might have to repeat it once or twice to get the message across.

Tiredalwaystired · 16/09/2024 13:10

You don’t go no contract “for a while”. You go non contact if you never want to have anything to do with someone every again. It’s pretty much a permanent arrangement.

What you would be doing is “sending her to Coventry”. Which is petty and childish.

Just tell her you need to agree to disagree on this one and won’t discuss it further.

Calliopespa · 16/09/2024 13:09

notanotherusername2024 · 16/09/2024 11:41

Re "clamping down with moody silence" comment.

It's great she never suggested clamping down with moody silence then isn't it :)

Avoiding a tantrum throwing bully of a sister is a very good idea and absolutely the correct, adult approach since talking to her hasn't worked.

Edited

Well she had really. That’s exactly what going NC “just until” her sister does what she wants effectively amounts to. It’s using NC as a manipulative tool.

Calliopespa · 16/09/2024 13:06

oakleaffy · 16/09/2024 12:23

One ''top of the league'' school had a child jump out of a window he was so badly bullied.

His ankles were broken.

In chalk was written ''Try harder next time, {name}''

I saw this with my own eyes - the graffiti.

This was years ago,{Chalk}

Bullying definitely went on as friend's brother got a complete bursary to go there, and he was bullied as a ''Poor boy''.

Nearly threw up reading that.

Calliopespa · 16/09/2024 13:04

thereiscustardinthejamtart · 16/09/2024 12:31

I think your sister is being an arse.

But you won’t get any objective opinion here because you mentioned private schools. Name change, start a new thread with the same info, but don’t mention private schools. Say you are arguing over whether chocolate cake or victoria sponge is better, and sister thinks she knows best because she once worked in a bakers. See the difference in the comments 😅

The country has become quite polarised about private schools, but MN has taken it to extremes. People can’t see past it, whichever side that take.

I seriously doubt anyone is going to support the suggestion of going NC with a sister over a battle between chocolate cake vs Victoria sponge.

So I’m not sure the answers would differ… Anywsy, everyone knows it’s chocolate cake.

Maria1979 · 16/09/2024 13:02

LostittoBostik · 16/09/2024 12:45

She's pissed off with you because you're actively saying "my child's school is better".

Why not just say it's different?

Presumably she can't afford private, even at the "lower" cost you claim. So you're angling for an argument by ranking the schools. It's not only rude, it's cruel.

If you read the OP you would know that she is the one who brings school up all the time and that she can afford it but hates private schools.

OP posts:
JacquelineShit · 16/09/2024 13:01

Howmanyusernames123 · 16/09/2024 12:55

The o/p said stepmom is contributing, not paying the whole amount.

she may not be able to afford it even with a contribution. Or even if sm is paying most- there are many costs like uniform, trips, books, supplies, sports kit on top.

tbh as a step mum and mum there’s no way I’d give one grandchild a shit load of money for private school and the other zilch. Whatever the reason. I’d give both children the same amount, if one wants to spend it on private school and the other on their mortgage, that’s up to them.

i’d be a bit resentful if I was offered a fair old amount of money on condition I spent it on private school I couldn’t afford.

The OP said her sister could afford it.

JacquelineShit · 16/09/2024 12:59

oakleaffy · 16/09/2024 12:55

Abbreviations on Mumsnet are VVI {Very very irritating}

It's infested with acronyms and it's assumed one understands what people mean by them.

For some reason ''D'' means Darling [?] so DSis =Darling Sister.
DS= Darling son,

DD Darling Daughter- {or confusingly, ''Darling Dog''}

NC {the biggie on Mumsnet} where going ''No contact'' is a thing - but in real life, discussing things with a family member is often much more productive.

Some acronyms you will see referred to often is ND {Neurodiverse} and it's opposite number, NT {Neurotypical}

AIBU = Am I being unreasonable
AINBU =Am I not being unreasobable.

Acronyms list here.

aCatCalledFawkes · 16/09/2024 12:58

I wouldn't go not contact but I would refuse to discuss it.

We went through a really difficult time with my exhusbands family when my daughters cousin got scholarships in to two well known privates schools, but that wasn't the problem. Her Dad wanted my parents and I (he wasn't offering any cash himself!) to pay for her to go to private school and kept pushing his views on to us (he wife works at very well known public school). Lots of comments too about how clever her cousin was and how he's the clever academic one of the family etc in front of her (she's 17). I just had to tell them all in the end that it was inappropriate for them to keep discussing this with her and comparing her exam results, GSCE grades etc, I don't discuss my children with each other and I don't expect other people to discuss her school report either.

Anyway, its died down now, we don't discuss it and they have stopped. You have to do what is best for your children and you have to have a proper conversation with her to shut down the noise.

Flatulence · 16/09/2024 12:58

I can understand why her constant needling is pissing you off.
But to go NC is a huge over reaction.
Just speak to her and explain that you've made your choice, and she's made hers, and you really don't want to discuss it further.
If she continues to push the subject, don't engage with it. And, if that still doesn't work, just don't see her socially. You don't need to go NC; just act like an adult (even if she won't).

midgetastic · 16/09/2024 12:57

I'd take the resentment out on the person with the cash then not the sis

Looking to excuse the poor behaviour of the sis ? I guess that's admitting sis is behaving badly

Howmanyusernames123 · 16/09/2024 12:55

midgetastic · 16/09/2024 12:49

She can afford it - as it's grandparents paying for both if they wanted it

Why is it ok for sis to start a conversation about how much better I am , how much more clever I am sending my child to a state school, silly you for wasting money but not ok for the op to say actually I think my school choice is better

One rule for sis , and another for OP because ...?

The o/p said stepmom is contributing, not paying the whole amount.

she may not be able to afford it even with a contribution. Or even if sm is paying most- there are many costs like uniform, trips, books, supplies, sports kit on top.

tbh as a step mum and mum there’s no way I’d give one grandchild a shit load of money for private school and the other zilch. Whatever the reason. I’d give both children the same amount, if one wants to spend it on private school and the other on their mortgage, that’s up to them.

i’d be a bit resentful if I was offered a fair old amount of money on condition I spent it on private school I couldn’t afford.

JustMarriedBecca · 16/09/2024 12:55

Downinsplendour · 16/09/2024 10:58

Suspect your sister was initially very ‘principled’ about her anti-private school choice but things are possibly not going as swimmingly at her DC school but she has dug in so deeply she is now trying to undermine your choice while secretly jealous… Go low contact or if you want to go out with a bang, go on about how delighted you are that your DC is doing so well in Latin and has made it to the world water polo championships 😅

Not the point but our local state secondary offers classics, Latin and mandarin 🙈😂

I think education is something where everyone wants to feel they have made the best choice. So just don't discuss it. Say you appreciate her insights but you are happy with your choices. If you are competitive then it will irritate her even more.

I do think there is an element of private schools needing to justify the fees so a lower initial score and a higher end of year score. As a PP has said, external grades from GCSE will evidence it. I must say our local privates don't do any better than the local states at the higher end (grades in top set versus private) but there are less failing kids simply because the private won't accept them in the first place. Do private schools do standardised scores? Surely that will give an indication of national performance at a younger level?