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Fiancé has agreed to be a Guarantor - I’m not happy

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workworkbloodywork · 15/09/2024 19:02

Not sure if I’m being highly unreasonable or fully entitled to be majorly fucked off with him.

His sister has asked him to be a guarantor on a rental that they want to upsize to as the partner has recently gone self employed.

he initially asked if I would be too but I was overseas at the time as I asked for us to discuss it when I was home.

he then said that we weren’t needed as they found someone. That then fell through and so they asked if just DF would do it. Again said let’s discuss when I’m home.

ive found out today that they have a moving date and have been packing. Turns out DF has agreed to do it without any communication to me.

so YABU - it’s family, you should think twice and just sign to dotted line asap

or YANBU - as an engaged couple, decisions that affect your family unit should be discussed at length before concluding on a decision together.

OP posts:
BlackShuck3 · 15/09/2024 20:38

I would not be a guarantor for anyone. I think the more people that put their foot down this has to end as a system. It is not a requirement of all insurance as somdeone said above
I agree with this from @soupfiend I wouldn't want to facilitate anything which helps landlords siphon other people's hard earned money into their retirement fund.

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 15/09/2024 20:37

I would only do this if I could find the price of their rent every month until the agreement ended. The most honest and careful can have crises outside their control that mean they can't pay - redundancy, failure of their own business, sickness, accident, world events. It doesn't mean you don't trust them. If there is a problem and your money isn't involved in covering the rent you will be able to help them in other ways.

Mainoo72 · 15/09/2024 20:37

I’d be fuming. I know someone who ended up in deep trouble as a guarantor for their child who stopped paying their rent. It ruined his finances & his relationship. I would never be a guarantor for anyone.

NewGreenDuck · 15/09/2024 20:36

I would not be happy with this. Do you know all the conditions for being guarantor? Is it solely for rent or is it for all aspects of the tenancy? ( I dealt with guarantors where they were liable if the tenant caused damage) Is it for a limited time or for the whole of the tenancy?
Has he taken independent advice on his responsibilities?

PrettyPickle · 15/09/2024 20:35

Thinking about this a bit more, how long is the tenancy commitment for? I'm not sure if you can do this but I would put a limit on the guarantor status if you can, say 2 years and get your Fiancé to tell his family and the landlord that if they want to renew the tenancy agreement after that date, it will be without your Fiancé as guarantor as it will affect your financial ability with regard to your own future home. That gives them ample time to get on their feet, so you are being helpful, and gives a valid reason why you have set a deadline. It also limits your partners financial commitment to two years.

I say this on the basis that it is a done deal,

BlackShuck3 · 15/09/2024 20:35

He's gone directly against what you asked him to do, and this is in the early stages of your being together where he's on his best behaviour.
I'd be wondering if he really sees marriage as a partnership or is it a case of 'I'll do as I please and you do as you're told'?

soupfiend · 15/09/2024 20:35

People are focussing on this being 'your problem' if you marry

However it may be too late for that.

You havent answered questions about whether you jointly rent or have a mortgage together, have you made application for a mortgage together, do you have joint accounts?

Marriage is one thing, but you may already be financially associated with each other

I would not be a guarantor for anyone. I think the more people that put their foot down this has to end as a system. It is not a requirement of all insurance as somdeone said above.

HesterRoon · 15/09/2024 20:34

Kitkat1523 · 15/09/2024 19:05

I would not be happy with this…..I wouldn’t even be guarantor for my own children….much as I love them

Say what?

pottymouth40 · 15/09/2024 20:34

The only way anyone should ever sign to be a home owner guarantor for anyone is if you will be able to stump up the persons rent should they become unable to pay it (obviously could be thousands depending on how upfront they are or if they wait until it’s a big old mess) or if you are ok with your property potentially being repossessed should you/the person you are guarantor for be unable to pay the arrears.

My dh is a LL and the amount of people who sign up to be guarantor for relations without having any idea of what it actually entails is quite unbelievable. Most guarantors end up paying up but we could legally take them to court if they dont/cant - obviously no one wants it to go that far.

gamerchick · 15/09/2024 20:32

Can he afford to pay out a huge lump in rent arrears? They don't just come and ask him to take over the rent. They'll send bailiffs when it's gone that far.

Tbh I wouldn't be marrying him or joining finances with him. Nor would I share a house. It's a stupid thing to do.

Rewis · 15/09/2024 20:31

I would 100% do this for my siblings assuking that the new property is anyway sensible. If they had history of being shit with money then no. But as they are right now, I would. This would he totally normal in my family. I understand it is not for everyone and that's not how they do it but to me this is not a dealbreaker unless ther eis a history with the siblings

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 15/09/2024 20:27

GreatMistakes · 15/09/2024 20:05

I think it would depend whether it was considered a marital asset. Which you would need legal advice about. Which your selfish boyfriend should have given you time to think about and paid for the legal advice for. Rather than plowing ahead. The sheer recklessness of it is terrifying.

If you own a house, at the very least, if they default then at the very least, if you are lucky, then you're basically fucked on trying to get your boyfriend to pay you any sort of household contribution because his money will be tied up to them for ghe durstion of their tenancy and he will have to declare it as a liability for any future financial stuff.

His attitude is appalling. He's acting like he's loaded and can take the risk purely because you own a house and he feels like you're a safe bet and act like the hero. I'd be too angry at his attitude to entertain this further.

Unless you're going to tell me he pays a fair share towards your joint bills, you aren't working towards anything toelgether, you have no joint assets or money, nor do you plan to, and he earns enough to cover their rent comfortably. Is that right or wrong?

If a debt occurs it's entirely the fiancé's debt and that remains the case once they are married. If fiancé can afford to pay any arrears it has no effect on the OP.

PrettyPickle · 15/09/2024 20:25

100% he should have discussed it with you first. Of course they have no intention of defaulting but he has just gone self employed and he is not in a position to confirm they can cover the rent and that is why the landlord needs a guarantor. What happens if they can't make the payments, can your fiancé cover them whilst maintaining your overheads? If not it will affect his credit rating too (on the assumption you live together).

Also if your Fiancé applies for credit for say a mortgage, they may consider the money he has agreed to cover as guarantor as part of his fixed outgoings even though he may not be paying it. That could make the difference between you getting a mortgage and not.

workworkbloodywork · 15/09/2024 20:25

No he does not have the savings or investments to be able to potentially wave goodbye to thousands of pounds with only an eye roll as a consequence.

as for getting out of it, I don’t see how he could without it a massively affecting his relationship or mine with them and this having a harmonious future family relationship. it’s a little like putting on a condom once she’s pregnant!

the fact he has supported family members financially frequently in the past both equally made me adore how supportive he is of those around him but also concerned for our financial security in the future.

OP posts:
DrinkFeckArseBrick · 15/09/2024 20:23

In my opinion. The facts are:

You're planning on shortly signing a contract with someone that legally joins your finances

Any decision that will or could significantly affect those finances should be made jointly. That's any decision- large investments, setting up a business, or as the OPs fiance has done agreeing to pay someone else's rent if they default.

Ita fundamentally unfair to agree to something that could affect your partner significantly, without their agreement

PayYourselfFirst · 15/09/2024 20:22

PrettyPines · 15/09/2024 19:10

I would absolutely do this for family. What's the chance of them not paying their rent?
Renting is so bloody hard, the market is absolute bullshit. They probably didn't have time to wait and your fiancé wanted to help. It's sad you wouldn't. Unless they're usually unreliable with rent which I assume they're not because they wouldn't have been eligible for the property with past arrears.

It's not sad!
He is nuts to do this

Cupooee · 15/09/2024 20:20

Absolutely not.
If he was extremely well paid and it was a paltry amount and he discussed it with you...maybe.

In your situation where it might impact your own home? Not a chance.

Deal breaker and I certainly wouldn't be marrying such a man.
His judgement is off.
His loyalty is completely off.

This could be a taste of your future.
Do not link your finances to such a person.

SnufkinsSpiritAnimal · 15/09/2024 20:17

The guarantor system is appalling and even landlords are fed up with it. It is a condition of insurance mostly, so guess who it benefits?

As a long term renter, who likes to move around, I have always paid up front instead. However, I am lucky to have a good income, and never wanted to own.

It really needs to die a death and treat adults as adults instead of potentially naughty children.

Ponderingwindow · 15/09/2024 20:17

I would be rethinking the wedding. That kind of financial irresponsibility is not a burden you want for the rest of your life.

does he have a years worth of rent sitting in savings to hand over? Can he afford to get a bill for extreme damages? If not, he can’t afford to be a guarantor.

it’s a risk a parent might take for a child just starting out. It certainly isn’t a risk needed for someone who is already housed.

OrdsallChord · 15/09/2024 20:14

I'd be furious. How long is the tenancy?

greencheetah · 15/09/2024 20:12

Do you currently live together? Own or rent?

I would probably postpone wedding as I would be concerned about family money being used to prop up BILS business/pay rent.

A friend of my DD recently got pursued for a guarantor ship she signed for an ex boyfriend whose rent she guaranteed when offloading him. She was outraged that she actually had to pay his arrears and acted like she had no idea what she had signed up to. 🙄

Icanttakethisanymore · 15/09/2024 20:11

GreatMistakes · 15/09/2024 20:07

Surely you would if you were married and it became a joint liability?

That’s not the way marriage works. It sometimes works that way upon divorce but if I own a property it doesn’t become a marital asset upon getting married, it belongs to me and I can sell it without my spouse’s permission. Equally if I acquire a debt whilst married it’s not joint (although sometimes it might become joint upon divorcing as part of a settlement)

SinnerBoy · 15/09/2024 20:10

I would be very reluctant indeed. As others have pointed out, it could go badly wrong for him, if they get into arrears. Debt collectors will go after whoever seems most likely to pay, which won't be the defaulters.

I refused to be a guarantor for my nephew, to the tune of £1,500 a month for one year. A good move on my part, because he couldn't get any work and abandoned the flat after 3 months. I paid a month's deposit and told him he didn't have to pay me back, if he was struggling.

It caused all sorts of ructions, with my SiL (his mother's sister...) accusing me of being cruel and abusive. Quite why she thought I had 18 grand spare is beyond me! That's what it would have cost me, less the month he managed by himself.

supersonicginandtonic · 15/09/2024 20:07

Waiting until you got home would probably mean they'd lose the property. They are going ridiculously fast at the moment.

GreatMistakes · 15/09/2024 20:07

Icanttakethisanymore · 15/09/2024 19:46

whilst I would discuss this out of courtesy with my OH, the only way I’d ask ‘permission’ is if I couldn’t cover their rent myself in the event it all went wrong. If I could cover it personally, I wouldn’t be asking, I’d be informing.

Surely you would if you were married and it became a joint liability?