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WhoPutARealLiveToadInTheHole · 15/09/2024 09:58

This thread is about my brother.

I obviously don't think IABU because I have made this decision but I am curious to know if anyone else sees his perspective. Because I just can't.

My brother has, I feel, some funny ideas at times and very high expectations of family at times. His heart is often in the right place but he gets upset if he feels 'rejected' or that people aren't acting in the best interests of the family (he determines the best interests)

This is the latest.

My daughter is moving to university 2 weeks today. On the Saturday, we are doing a food shop and going out in the evening. I have been clear for weeks that I want packing to be done by then before a 2 and a half hour drive each way on the Sunday. I want it to be calm and peaceful and for us (me, my partner, her and her brother) to enjoy it.

My brother is moving house shortly afterwards.

I'm a teacher and work full time. So have little time outside work to get stuff done because I'm knackered/working in the evenings.

So. We have had plans for the last two weekends and for next weekend to go shopping for university stuff and essentials and to pack.

My daughter has a pt job which has become full time (and beyond!) since finishing her A Levels and usually works evenings so evening time to do stuff is limited anyway.

Yesterday, my brother issued a summoning (we affectionately refer to his invitations as this because there isn't really an option to refuse in his eyes) for us all to go over to his for the whole weekend next weekend (including a mandatory sleepover) so that his daughter (12) can enjoy one of her last weekends in her childhood home surrounded by her family and her memories.

My children (26 and 18) think this is bonkers and have never heard of such a thing. My daughter wants to spend the last full weekend at home packing and seeing her friends before moving away. His plans/expectations don't really allow for the compromise of a 2 hour visit and, even if they did, it would be something that we'd have to juggle to make time for in our existing plans. In an already busy weekend in whicn I'd also have to find time to work. And none of us want to go.

I don't have the capacity to shop and pack in the evenings to facilitate this so the weekends it is.

My brother is now cross/not speaking to us since we turned down the invitation because we're spoiling his daughter's experience.

So. This is part incredulous grumble and part does anyone think my brother is right/has a point because I can't see it.

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LifeExperience · 15/09/2024 14:40

Your brother is controlling and manipulative; he just hides it under the guise of "family memories" or "it's for the children." It's not. It's so he can control your time and actions.

Not speaking to you is emotional abuse. I would go very low contact. I've had more than a few people try to control my time and actions through the years with a "greater good" argument, and it's almost never about the greater good, but their good. The only sane response to controlling people is to refuse to go along with it.

Maray1967 · 15/09/2024 14:37

This needs to be reined in now - I’d have pushed back years ago. He needs to be told firmly that not all his plans work for your family. They can actually be very inconvenient for your family. And if he turns down invitations to your home because they aren’t convenient for him, then remind him of that fact!

HappyDane · 15/09/2024 14:36

Quite often people hit the wrong option by accident and don't realise they can change their vote.

Sandwichgen · 15/09/2024 14:36

He cannot expect to burnish his family life at the expense of yours

well he can - but he shouldn’t

WhoPutARealLiveToadInTheHole · 15/09/2024 14:33

I'm curious. The voting says 1% (so 3-4 people) think IABU.

I'd be really interested to know why given that's why I posted.

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WhoPutARealLiveToadInTheHole · 15/09/2024 14:30

Catza · 15/09/2024 14:25

I am planning something like that with my aunt and my best friend. We are travelling to Spain for the "last good bye holiday" in a property I am selling. But this is very different and, of course, I planned it 9 months in advance and made sure they are both available and have no other commitments.

That's the thing, it is quite a nice idea. I can see how, in your case, it would be a lovely thing to do!

Not sure I (or my children) would want to devote a whole weekend to saying goodbye to someone else's house at any time really. We certainly don't have any great memories associated with it.

But, any other weekend, and we would have gone (albeit not for the whole weekend) for his benefit. But, on this occasion, the timing is terrible and he only issued the invitation the weekend before.

My partner is included. It would mean him giving up a weekend to attend a good bye to a house he's been to 3 times!

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Catza · 15/09/2024 14:25

CandidHedgehog · 15/09/2024 13:32

I still remember ‘going shopping with Mum for university’ with fondness and I’m nearly 50! I still have the plates and bowls and the quilt cover is in a storage bag in my wardrobe.

With online shopping I suppose it’s less universal these days but since ‘having a last weekend in a sold house’ isn’t a tradition at all (as far as I know), I’d not be skipping the traditional last shop before university for such a visit if my child wanted to go shopping with Mum!

I am planning something like that with my aunt and my best friend. We are travelling to Spain for the "last good bye holiday" in a property I am selling. But this is very different and, of course, I planned it 9 months in advance and made sure they are both available and have no other commitments.

Spenditlikebeckham · 15/09/2024 13:50

About time he was told no is a complete sentence
.. Leave him to it. Your life will improve vastly..

Daleksatemyshed · 15/09/2024 13:49

I don't think your DB is appreciating how old your DC are now! At 18 and 26 they have their own lives, no 26 yo wants to go for a sleepover at their Uncles, especially when it's a command proformance. Talk to your DB, explain in a way he'll understand

WhoPutARealLiveToadInTheHole · 15/09/2024 13:46

Maddy70 · 15/09/2024 13:26

Where is the compromise?

Sorry we can't come as we have so much on. But will being round her birthday present on xxx

I've suggested we do something when my daighters next home and they've moved and everyone is settled but he's ignored it because that's not what he wants.

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WhoPutARealLiveToadInTheHole · 15/09/2024 13:45

Spenditlikebeckham · 15/09/2024 13:21

How many people actually pander to this arse hole?

His wife goes along with it for an easy life and, tbh, she manages him well. We don't have any other family. Only each other which compounds it.

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CandidHedgehog · 15/09/2024 13:32

HappyDane · 15/09/2024 12:58

It's all good! Lots of people will do things slightly differently, of course, but the pack up, drive and food/sundries shop together are a fairly well-established ritual for many.

Ah I'm getting nostalgic now for taking mine off to uni some years ago. ❤️

I still remember ‘going shopping with Mum for university’ with fondness and I’m nearly 50! I still have the plates and bowls and the quilt cover is in a storage bag in my wardrobe.

With online shopping I suppose it’s less universal these days but since ‘having a last weekend in a sold house’ isn’t a tradition at all (as far as I know), I’d not be skipping the traditional last shop before university for such a visit if my child wanted to go shopping with Mum!

maddening · 15/09/2024 13:31

Tell him you are not all NPCs in his game of life, if he wants you round he shifts his dates to enable it - your dates have already been set for a while and dictated by University term time. If he can't then he will just need to work out something else to make it special.

Maddy70 · 15/09/2024 13:26

Where is the compromise?

Sorry we can't come as we have so much on. But will being round her birthday present on xxx

Spenditlikebeckham · 15/09/2024 13:21

How many people actually pander to this arse hole?

ThePrologue · 15/09/2024 13:19

WhoPutARealLiveToadInTheHole · 15/09/2024 13:14

It is 😁

Appropriate, I thought.

Entirely!

ThePrologue · 15/09/2024 13:18

Back to your point, @WhoPutARealLiveToadInTheHole , given you generally are happy (ish) to do what he wants most of the time, you anbu at all.
Is it worth talking to your sil about this? Maybe she can help broach your brother's family obsession, outlining what it means to her in terms of workload, time to herself, etc living up to his expectations, along with you explaining the impact upon your family.
He needs to understand that family isn't just roses, barn-raising and relentless togetherness, hard as that may be!

WhoPutARealLiveToadInTheHole · 15/09/2024 13:14

ThePrologue · 15/09/2024 13:08

Is your username because of your brother?!
Sorry to derail, but I've had the song in my head for the past few days, so was a bit gobsmacked to see it!

It is 😁

Appropriate, I thought.

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ThePrologue · 15/09/2024 13:08

WhoPutARealLiveToadInTheHole · 15/09/2024 09:58

This thread is about my brother.

I obviously don't think IABU because I have made this decision but I am curious to know if anyone else sees his perspective. Because I just can't.

My brother has, I feel, some funny ideas at times and very high expectations of family at times. His heart is often in the right place but he gets upset if he feels 'rejected' or that people aren't acting in the best interests of the family (he determines the best interests)

This is the latest.

My daughter is moving to university 2 weeks today. On the Saturday, we are doing a food shop and going out in the evening. I have been clear for weeks that I want packing to be done by then before a 2 and a half hour drive each way on the Sunday. I want it to be calm and peaceful and for us (me, my partner, her and her brother) to enjoy it.

My brother is moving house shortly afterwards.

I'm a teacher and work full time. So have little time outside work to get stuff done because I'm knackered/working in the evenings.

So. We have had plans for the last two weekends and for next weekend to go shopping for university stuff and essentials and to pack.

My daughter has a pt job which has become full time (and beyond!) since finishing her A Levels and usually works evenings so evening time to do stuff is limited anyway.

Yesterday, my brother issued a summoning (we affectionately refer to his invitations as this because there isn't really an option to refuse in his eyes) for us all to go over to his for the whole weekend next weekend (including a mandatory sleepover) so that his daughter (12) can enjoy one of her last weekends in her childhood home surrounded by her family and her memories.

My children (26 and 18) think this is bonkers and have never heard of such a thing. My daughter wants to spend the last full weekend at home packing and seeing her friends before moving away. His plans/expectations don't really allow for the compromise of a 2 hour visit and, even if they did, it would be something that we'd have to juggle to make time for in our existing plans. In an already busy weekend in whicn I'd also have to find time to work. And none of us want to go.

I don't have the capacity to shop and pack in the evenings to facilitate this so the weekends it is.

My brother is now cross/not speaking to us since we turned down the invitation because we're spoiling his daughter's experience.

So. This is part incredulous grumble and part does anyone think my brother is right/has a point because I can't see it.

Is your username because of your brother?!
Sorry to derail, but I've had the song in my head for the past few days, so was a bit gobsmacked to see it!

HappyDane · 15/09/2024 12:58

JacquelineShit · 15/09/2024 12:44

Ok, I withdraw my 'intense' comment 🤣

I admit, it was based on mine ordering their own shopping!

But others do it differently and I accept that.

It's all good! Lots of people will do things slightly differently, of course, but the pack up, drive and food/sundries shop together are a fairly well-established ritual for many.

Ah I'm getting nostalgic now for taking mine off to uni some years ago. ❤️

JacquelineShit · 15/09/2024 12:57

NotSmallButFunSize · 15/09/2024 12:44

Lol - you most definitely do want your mum there so she can pay for the shop.... 😉

When we all moved out my parents bought a massive stock up food shop for us - sets you up for the start!

Oh no, I ended up paying for it alright, but in the form of a money transfer 😁

NotSmallButFunSize · 15/09/2024 12:44

JacquelineShit · 15/09/2024 12:34

Ok it just sounded a bit intense to me because she doesn't need her mum to go shopping.

But fair enough if that's what she wants.

Lol - you most definitely do want your mum there so she can pay for the shop.... 😉

When we all moved out my parents bought a massive stock up food shop for us - sets you up for the start!

JacquelineShit · 15/09/2024 12:44

Ok, I withdraw my 'intense' comment 🤣

I admit, it was based on mine ordering their own shopping!

But others do it differently and I accept that.

MrsSkylerWhite · 15/09/2024 12:44

Well he’s a silly sod, isn’t he? I’m afraid I’d just laugh at him.

Doitalready · 15/09/2024 12:44

Your brother is still a child, you are not being unreasonable he needs therapy