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FoxesSox · 15/09/2024 07:54

Bear with me…

My Husband swears a lot, we have an ongoing debate about it because it makes me so unhappy he constantly does this in front of the kids. We have a 6 month old baby and a 2 year old. The 2 year old is like a parrot, her language is amazing and she repeats everything back. Husband swears constantly in front of her. He is very uptight and reacts to everything, eg, a spec of ketchup on his top, a drop of a water on the floor, stubbing his toe, dropping something etc gets a “FK SAKE! SHT… Blcks” etc. Which is all the time. Often multiple times in a few minutes. he scraped his ankle last week and shouted “Fck a Cnt”. When I remind him please don’t swear in front of the kids he snaps and aggressively says things like “well I just cracked the fucking vase in the dishwasher etc” and explains why he swore. (Obviously there is always a reason and I’m not saying he is just shouting for no reason).

For context, we’ve had marriage problems lately and are in counselling and I have only just come home with the kids after staying at my parents house for 2 months because of the behaviour in front of the kids, arguing, and stress, mostly due to a work issue he has had which takes over every part of his life and no space for anything else (he’s been pushed out of his job and not been at work despite being paid still - no immediate financial worries). He made an effort for a few days but it seems to have gone straight back to how it was before.

Anyway, yesterday we had friends over they were late leaving and we were late putting the kids to bed. The bath was stressful as he kept walking to have a go at me for putting the blackout blind back up in the toddler room and that I would further damage the roller blind etc leaving the baby and Toddler in the bath (could still see them but not in grabbing distance). I said not to leave the kids to drown and he did go back but continued to shout at me through the bathroom door.

Bath ended and we did nappies and Pjamas etc and I left him to give toddler her milk and went up to the loft room to feed baby. A few minutes later he was screaming my name and swearing from the floor below “she’s being f*king sick! Projectile fking vomming! Get here now now! Where the fck are you”. I immediately unlatched baby and came downstairs with him, he’s just started crawling and can’t be left alone. Toddler sat in bed covered in sick and all over carpet. He continues “I needed you to get here fucking quicker” (it must have taken less than 25 seconds from shouting to me being stood there). My daughter starts crying. It makes me SO sad. All she needed was a cuddle, take her clothes off and put her back in the bath and kindness. Him shouting at me made her think she had done something wrong and caused a problem and she was crying at that, not because she had been sick. He started madly getting carpet cleaner and stuff and I said we needed to put the kids to bed first.

He says “I have always sworn, and you knew who I was before you married me. Swearing is an auto response and I can’t help it”. I say, he did lots of things before we were married, I wouldn’t expect him to do these things in front of our young children. He is very snobby (private school etc, often looks down on people and calls people “pikeys”). But surely swearing in front of your kids is rough and why doesn’t he care our daughter will pick this up and swear at nursery etc.

I guess my question is:

YANBU: This is unacceptable, he needs to stop swearing and reacting in front of the kids and if he doesn’t this will cause lasting damage and make daughter really insecure.

YABU: Everyone swears, it’s no big deal. He can’t help himself in stressful situations and give him a break.

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FoxesSox · 15/09/2024 14:16

RoseGoldEagle · 15/09/2024 10:47

If you stay, your daughter will grow up believing it’s acceptable to be treated this way by a future partner, and your son could end up repeating the pattern with his own partner and kids. It doesn’t sound like your partner is able or willing to change.

Yes this horrifies me.

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FoxesSox · 15/09/2024 14:13

Werehalfwaythere · 15/09/2024 09:29

For me, it's not the swear words themselves that's particularly troublesome (although still inappropriate and crass), it's the aggression, negativity and disregard for everyone else in the house.

He sounds like a prick, who, despite thinking he's got it covered (evident through his disdain at others), is actually pretty thick. He can't see he's about to lose his wife and kids, despite counselling and his family having to vacate for 2 months due to his disgusting attitude and behaviour.

You amd your babies deserve more.

I honestly don’t know how to get him to see how close I am to leaving. I left with our children for two months and moved out. And he still thinks “you’ll never leave me”. I will.

I came back because I thought with the counselling and his CBT we had a shot. I guess I was wrong. He says I expect too much.

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MintyNew · 15/09/2024 14:11

So you are intent on minimising his abusive behaviour even after your 2yo reacting like that?
How you could put your kids back again into that position is beyond me. You are picking him over your poor kids.

PinkyFlamingo · 15/09/2024 14:10

Orangepolentacake · 15/09/2024 09:37

not helpful. This isn’t what OP needs to hear right now.

Well yes it is helpful actually because maybe it will make the OP think about why she's staying in a relationship like this!

FoxesSox · 15/09/2024 14:10

permanently · 15/09/2024 08:42

No one can live around that level of aggression without being damaged.

Your children will copy his language/behaviour.

Change is good. It takes a strong person to change. If he can't control what comes out of his mouth, he is telling you he is unwilling to change for his family.

Time to make him realise he needs to adapt or you will remove yourselves from the situation.

He really needs to grow up.

My ExH was privately educated and thought every situation could be treated with aggression. Huge ego, masking low self esteem, couldn't laugh at himself etc. Now controls our adult DC by swearing, shouting, drama triangles, mind games...

Your DH sounds so predictable and boring! You deserve better.

I have a friend who has had 25 years of similar behaviour. When I hear her talk to him in company, he is silently seething and she is trying to keep him calm so he doesn't blow his top. It's their dynamic. Don't let it be yours X

Really interesting point about the huge ego masking low self esteem. This is definitely him.

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FoxesSox · 15/09/2024 14:09

MSLRT · 15/09/2024 08:35

Pack your bags and go back to your mums. This man is a bully and a monster. How close is he to lashing out do you think? You need to put your children first and get them away from this abusive man.

I don’t think he is close to lashing out. Before I left when he was having the breakdown type thing he did raised his arm, balled fist etc and stepped towards me, threw my suitcase across the room but I still genuinely didn’t believe he would ever do that. He’s never hit anyone / been hit in his life. Again, posh boy. He would probably miss to be honest.

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FoxesSox · 15/09/2024 14:04

JWhipple · 15/09/2024 08:18

He's aggressive and doesn't care about you or the kids

Also, being away from work on full pay? I'm guessing he's been suspended due to being investigated over his conduct and told you some story to cover that.

Unless he's able to stop being a hysterical aggressive swearing cunt at work. In which case he can help it. And is choosing to abuse the children and you.

Anyway, please get rid. Nothing he says or does is acceptable.

Thank you. I have asked him if there is more to the story at work as this also crossed my mind. He says no.

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Borninabarn32 · 15/09/2024 14:03

Its not the swearing it's the aggression and anger. If he was shouting like that with the same level of anger and, quite frankly, hatred, then it would damage the kids just as much. Yeah it'll be embarrassing your kid being the sweary one in nursery, but she's also going to be the nervous wreck being raised in an angry house and that'll affect her for the rest of her life.

FoxesSox · 15/09/2024 14:03

Skibidy · 15/09/2024 08:14

Hes out of order. I dont think i could live like this. Is he doing this on purpose (causing a scene and being dramatic over every single thing) so eventually you'll take over all jobs and he can go put his feet up??

I do wonder this, if I ask him to help out with something kid related he reverts to being clueless and it’s so stressful explaining and his attitude it’s easier to do it myself.

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FoxesSox · 15/09/2024 14:00

Min133 · 15/09/2024 08:10

This goes beyond swearing. 'Get here now' 'I need you to get here quicker'. They way he speaks to you is awful and as you have pointed out his priorities are wrong as he's messing around with carpet cleaner rather than putting the kids needs first.

How was your time away from him for 2 months? Were the kids happier? Were you happier? Less on edge?

You've just come back and rather than reflecting and trying to make changes he's already like this again?!

Yes, I was happier and less on edge. I have a large lovely and supportive family / support network there - as opposed to nobody here, a 3 hour drive away.

My daughter seemed calmer but she definitely missed him too which was difficult for me.

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Aquamarine1029 · 15/09/2024 14:00

We are already in marriage counselling for 3 months now.

You do not go to marriage counseling with an abuser. You need to accept that your husband is a violent, abusive man. All his excuses are just that, excuses. His job is stressful? Poor little diddums. I don't give a fuck and you shouldn't, either. We all deal with that and don't turn our homes into bloody nightmares. As long as you continue to make excuses for him, you will stay and your children will keep being damaged by this. Enough is enough.

FoxesSox · 15/09/2024 13:58

junebirthdaygirl · 15/09/2024 08:08

Calling you like that and swearing at you is very abusive and aggressive. I wouldn't focus on the actual swearing but the way he speaks to you. Even if he completely stopped swearing tomorrow he is still a horrible man with an awful angry tone. Is he having some kind of breakdown to be so stressed over minor stuff? Is his work situation anything to do with him being an aggressive bully? Did he talk like this to his fellow workers?

I think he did have a breakdown. He has always been stressed over minor stuff but it’s got much worse. Work feedback is that he creates a negative vibe in his teams.

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offyoujollywelltrot · 15/09/2024 13:58

He's not going to change. Do the right thing for your kids.

FoxesSox · 15/09/2024 13:55

Thank you everyone - I didn’t expect so many replies. I know this isn’t normal and no, I don’t want my kids growing up around this.

I’ll try answer individual questions but first off:

Yes, the work situation has made him 1000 times worse although he was always uptight. I think he did have a breakdown before I left linked to work (shouting / swearing / erratic weird behaviour).

We are already in marriage counselling for 3 months now.

He recognises he needs to address his stress management and is in individual CBT. I haven’t yet seen any real improvement or trying though and he seems to be usIng the sessions to air his grievances about how he has been treated badly at work rather than acknowledging any need to change himself.

DD is not terrified of him (yet) she does love her daddy and he can be very kind and caring with her. She does go very quiet when he behaves like this though and it is obviously doing damage. When I left before she continued shouting “Stop it Daddy!” For ages at my parents house which was heartbreaking. That faded after a while.

No I don’t want my kids growing up around this. I grew up in a broken home and wanted a family unit. But YES I know single parenting is so much better than growing up in a tense / abusive household of conflict. I can’t bare the thought of her being scared to make a mistake / spill a drink etc less he fly off the handle.

I tried to talk to him about last night in the park and he doubled down and said “well I had someone projectile vomiting on me, what do you expect, it’s obviously stressful for god sake etc”. (Not “someone” his daughter).

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wellington77 · 15/09/2024 13:33

FoxesSox · 15/09/2024 07:54

Bear with me…

My Husband swears a lot, we have an ongoing debate about it because it makes me so unhappy he constantly does this in front of the kids. We have a 6 month old baby and a 2 year old. The 2 year old is like a parrot, her language is amazing and she repeats everything back. Husband swears constantly in front of her. He is very uptight and reacts to everything, eg, a spec of ketchup on his top, a drop of a water on the floor, stubbing his toe, dropping something etc gets a “FK SAKE! SHT… Blcks” etc. Which is all the time. Often multiple times in a few minutes. he scraped his ankle last week and shouted “Fck a Cnt”. When I remind him please don’t swear in front of the kids he snaps and aggressively says things like “well I just cracked the fucking vase in the dishwasher etc” and explains why he swore. (Obviously there is always a reason and I’m not saying he is just shouting for no reason).

For context, we’ve had marriage problems lately and are in counselling and I have only just come home with the kids after staying at my parents house for 2 months because of the behaviour in front of the kids, arguing, and stress, mostly due to a work issue he has had which takes over every part of his life and no space for anything else (he’s been pushed out of his job and not been at work despite being paid still - no immediate financial worries). He made an effort for a few days but it seems to have gone straight back to how it was before.

Anyway, yesterday we had friends over they were late leaving and we were late putting the kids to bed. The bath was stressful as he kept walking to have a go at me for putting the blackout blind back up in the toddler room and that I would further damage the roller blind etc leaving the baby and Toddler in the bath (could still see them but not in grabbing distance). I said not to leave the kids to drown and he did go back but continued to shout at me through the bathroom door.

Bath ended and we did nappies and Pjamas etc and I left him to give toddler her milk and went up to the loft room to feed baby. A few minutes later he was screaming my name and swearing from the floor below “she’s being f*king sick! Projectile fking vomming! Get here now now! Where the fck are you”. I immediately unlatched baby and came downstairs with him, he’s just started crawling and can’t be left alone. Toddler sat in bed covered in sick and all over carpet. He continues “I needed you to get here fucking quicker” (it must have taken less than 25 seconds from shouting to me being stood there). My daughter starts crying. It makes me SO sad. All she needed was a cuddle, take her clothes off and put her back in the bath and kindness. Him shouting at me made her think she had done something wrong and caused a problem and she was crying at that, not because she had been sick. He started madly getting carpet cleaner and stuff and I said we needed to put the kids to bed first.

He says “I have always sworn, and you knew who I was before you married me. Swearing is an auto response and I can’t help it”. I say, he did lots of things before we were married, I wouldn’t expect him to do these things in front of our young children. He is very snobby (private school etc, often looks down on people and calls people “pikeys”). But surely swearing in front of your kids is rough and why doesn’t he care our daughter will pick this up and swear at nursery etc.

I guess my question is:

YANBU: This is unacceptable, he needs to stop swearing and reacting in front of the kids and if he doesn’t this will cause lasting damage and make daughter really insecure.

YABU: Everyone swears, it’s no big deal. He can’t help himself in stressful situations and give him a break.

The way he speaks to you and orders you about - abuse springs to mind, if he hasn’t changed after 2 months of you being out the house then he never will, leave him- at the very least for your kids sake

Aquamarine1029 · 15/09/2024 13:20

Why on earth did you go back? It's not just the swearing, it's his rage and aggression. He is a violent, abusive bully. This man will destroy your children's childhoods, and damage the rest of their entire lives.

See a solicitor and divorce him.

Fastback · 15/09/2024 13:14

To use his terminology, he’s an abusive fucking cunt. Leave and this time, don’t go back. You and your children deserve better than this highly substandard specimen.

Itiswhysofew · 15/09/2024 12:34

Tell him to fuck off out of the house and not come back until he's changed his ways.

Honestly, does he not see how at fault he is? A grown man behaving so hyperaggressively towards his wife and children, is abysmal.

OrangeTeabags · 15/09/2024 12:21

As others have said, it's the aggression behind the swearing rather than the words themselves.

And there are many years of parenting ahead with situations that will be way more challenging and stressful than a toddler being sick - how is he going to deal with them?
It's not fair on your kids to expose them to this. I think this is definitely one of those times when looking to leave is the right thing to do.

Ostagazuzulum · 15/09/2024 12:08

If you've got ability and means to do it now and if he thinks it's acceptable and won't listen to reason or try counselling to see why he's got such a short temper then I think get out. You'll always be on edge and the kids will resent him. I'm
Sorry you're living with this.

Does he do it in front of other people? Does he control himself for show but let's loose around you?

Choochoo21 · 15/09/2024 11:59

He is not happy in this relationship.

You are not happy in this relationship.

The kids definitely aren’t happy being around this relationship.

So why are you still together?
Who exactly is this benefitting?

I cannot quote all of the PPs I agree with because there are just too many.

I would rather be single than allow my kids to have a shit childhood and be raised in an unhappy, abusive home.

I don’t understand how some parents can be so selfish that they’d put their love life before their own kids.
Whats worse is that neither your or DH are happy anyway, so your kids are suffering for absolutely no reason.

Ask him to leave and this time don’t get back together.

Purplecatshopaholic · 15/09/2024 11:57

It’s the anger and how he treats you that unacceptable. You made a mistake going back. Leave, and make it permanent this time before it affects you and your kids even more than it already has.

Deipara · 15/09/2024 11:53

Thatsajokeright · 15/09/2024 07:57

I don't think the swearing is the issue. It's the aggression.

Agree.

MrsSkylerWhite · 15/09/2024 11:53

Do you want your children excluded because of their language?
He is not normal. Get your children away from him, whatever it takes.

Orangepolentacake · 15/09/2024 11:51

Conniebygaslight · 15/09/2024 09:55

OP your DC are going to live their lives in constant survival mode with this man. They will undoubtedly struggle with anxiety and depression throughout their lives if you do not leave.

This