..To be mortified at the treatment of rape victims at the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre?

There’s a difference between not adhering, and being outwardly unkind.

One of the women on my team has a non binary child, which to be clear she is accepting of. Whenever conversation around that comes up in the office, healthy debate is fine, but I absolutely wouldn’t accept anyone being rude to her about it.

Firstly, they don’t see themselves as men - so they’re not fighting for men to be anywhere. Not outwardly anyway.

I also agree that those places should ALL be protected spaces. But it’s the motives behind those who want to be in them, that I view differently. I think trans people feel that they belong in those spaces with us, and that’s why they want to be there.

I’m not suggesting we have to agree with that, but they’re not all out to get us.

So outside of this case, you don’t believe or are aware that there are other cases, instances, experiences, of women being adversely affected (like losing their jobs) by not adhering to trans ideology, by trans people and/or supporters of trans ideology? Hmmm.

Do you really think that wadwha would have been appointed if he was the only one fighting for men to be in women's rape crisis spaces?
Is he also the only person fighting for men to be in women's
Prisons
Sport
Changing rooms
Toilets
Providing intimate care to disabled women

“They,” or that one trans person?

Nobody’s doubting that one person is in the wrong, I’m just not sure I believe that represents an entire community.

I can’t speak for the trans community, as I’m not trans, but my assumption is that generally - they’re not fighting anyone. They’re trying to go about their lives in a way that they want to, and no part of me understands why I’m supposed to be bothered about that.

disingenuous bullshit. This very thread is about one reason WHY we should tread very carefully when indulging people's wish to "change gender"

if they aren't "fighting anyone" why the fuck don't they allow tramautised women seeking theraputic support to say "i want to be sure i am in contact only with women"? Why? who does that hurt? WOMEN THAT IS WHO

I wasn’t looking for an apology, or really an explanation.

More an observation that any conversation about a damaging situation (the original discussion) becomes a wider discussion about trans issues and women’s issues as a whole. Lots of passionate language about fighting, resisting etc.

I can’t speak for the trans community, as I’m not trans, but my assumption is that generally - they’re not fighting anyone. They’re trying to go about their lives in a way that they want to, and no part of me understands why I’m supposed to be bothered about that.

If someone else’s reality is that they identify as a man, woman, anything else - what has that got to do with me, and why would it change my status as a woman. That I was born and remain a woman isn’t threatened by someone else’s life choices.

Each to their own, and I’m not aiming to belittle anyone - I genuinely don’t get it.

It's hard to argue that gender ideology isn't having an impact.

What's fascinating is seeing the ever increasingly batshit attempts to pretend differently and hide the evidence.

Speaking for myself, other people's choices are all good with me, up to the point at which they impact on others. And the wish of some to be seen as what they are not, cannot help but impact others. Women are allowed to talk about that impact. Sorry not sorry.

Exactly this. Being compelled to refer to someone as something they manifestly are not has huge consequences for respect for reality, clear expression of people's rights, freedom of speech.

The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command 1984.

Chilling that it's come to this

Itd be one thing for there to be concerned raised privately that no one else knew about.

This is a fucking letter dated from several years ago in the Scottish government archives!

It's interesting to me that sooner or later on every thread where it is clear that gender ideology is causing major real world damage to actual humans (almost always women and /or children but y'know those are types of humans), posters need to come along and belittle our outrage and pain at what has happened.

By, for instance, referring to those who care about it as 'be(ing) on Twitter all day long arguing about other people’s choices'.

Speaking for myself, other people's choices are all good with me, up to the point at which they impact on others. And the wish of some to be seen as what they are not, cannot help but impact others. Women are allowed to talk about that impact. Sorry not sorry.

This.

Agreed. I won't say any more about the more extreme views expressed which divert from this issue.

It's interesting to me that sooner or later on every thread where it is clear that gender ideology is causing major real world damage to actual humans (almost always women and /or children but y'know those are types of humans), posters need to come along and belittle our outrage and pain at what has happened.

By, for instance, referring to those who care about it as 'be(ing) on Twitter all day long arguing about other people’s choices'.

Speaking for myself, other people's choices are all good with me, up to the point at which they impact on others. And the wish of some to be seen as what they are not, cannot help but impact others. Women are allowed to talk about that impact. Sorry not sorry.

Pronouns are not part of this case. The focus is and should be on the callous treatment of women and girls by ERCC due to genderist agenda pushing and a misogynistic male trans person at the top of the organisation.

Well that source blows the 'didnt know about concerns' line firmly off the planet doesn't it?

Receipts.

That really is shocking.

In my opinion, in no job anywhere should I be forced to call a man "Sir". But in a lot of jobs I am. It's an unfair world.

What sleight of hand happened that it became a 'courtesy' to override that?

Quite. Why are we required to pay obeisance to gender identity ideology? Why am I supposed to pretend I think a man is a woman, when I don't? What about my feelings and freedom of speech and belief?

Who at ERCC do you think was not doing their job properly?

Well that source blows the 'didnt know about concerns' line firmly off the planet doesn't it?

Receipts.

Quite, so what? We're not talking about French speakers here.

And in French they say for instance: "La table". So what?

Pronouns have always simply been a factual reference to sex.

What sleight of hand happened that it became a 'courtesy' to override that?

But as I explained, I've never used pronouns in relation to gender and as I've explained, I suspect that's true of the vast majority of people, given that they use them for entities that cannot be said to have a 'gender identity'. So when did that change?