..To be mortified at the treatment of rape victims at the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clynyky7kj9o

Calling a biological man ‘he’ is not ‘hateful’ FFS - since when has that become such an overused buzzword for anyone calling a spade a spade?

And what exactly is ‘living as a woman’ meant to mean? Growing your hair, wearing a dress and a bit of slap does not make you female.

Im actually sick to death of these fetishist men bulldozing their way into women’s single sex spaces demanding anyone who doesn’t pander to their emperors new clothes delusions needs re educating (lecturing and scolding)

The shameless way actual women are acting like owns pandering handmaidens to support this misogyny against their own sex is the real hateful behaviour.

Sticking on a bad wig and an M&S dress does not make a man ‘stunning and brave’ it just shows his male entitlement will always come screaming through.

I don't want to derail the thread but Women's Aid in Scotland do not offer services to male survivors, they are women's only services.
Note, not necessarily single-sex services as each service will have it's own policy on that, male survivors however are not provided for by women's aid.

I'm not really comfortable with referring to a trans woman, who has lived as a woman for many many years, as a man. It seems unnecessarily hateful, and detracts from what otherwise could be valid points being made.

Well he is a man, both biologically and, if we insist on indulging the insanity of legal sex, he is legally a man. He should never have been appointed.

Stating facts is not hateful but using the accusation to shame women into silence is misogynistic and hateful.

They really do. MW is a vile, vile man. Shame on all those who supported and facilitated him.

This is where TWAW ideology has got us. It's the furthest thing from being progressive and kind. Sex matters.

Dismayed but not surprised that yet another thread gets derailed by the 'but what about the mens' feelings' brigade. Have a day off.

Tut tut, don't you realise a man's feelings would have been hurt if the needs of traumatised women had been given priority.

That’s truly awful. Why are you embarrassed though?

How vile. You have literally no idea. My time has been focussed on supporting a mentally ill,suicidal young person, battling for mental health treatment and education, searching for rape support, dealing with police and services whilst trying to hold down a job and parent other children. Campaigning for equal rape support isn’t high on my agenda even if I had the time which I don’t.

I'm not really comfortable with referring to a trans woman, who has lived as a woman for many many years, as a man.
All right. First, please let us know what "lived as a woman" involves, as no one has ever been able to detail the specifics of it. I'm a woman and I make no plans how to woman on waking each day, I simply live my life in a female sexed body.

I'm not comfortable referring to trans identified XY men as women and will not do so.

It seems unnecessarily hateful In what way? MW is and has always been a male bodied person, and as humans cannot change sex there is nothing hateful about the truth. Hurt feelz? Up to MW to deal with them when not larping the day away.

The ERCC should be ashamed that this nonsense has been allowed to go on for so long with much detriment to women.
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Sandy Brinkley of Rape Crisis Scotland and Maggie Chapman MSP have a lot to answer for in this mess.

If one can't call a man a man it makes it much harder to discuss the problem.

Indeed.

I remember when this first came out the man in charge said that raped women should prioritise educating themselves and then when they were understood that men were women they would qualify to get support from those men. he didn't use those words exactly (although he did stipulate that first they should educate themselves) but that is exactly what he meant. And he wasn't challenged! Radio interview on the news and this was just broadcast as information to women - if you are raped, prioritise the needs of men before your own. If you feel unsafe in the one place that is supposed to support you, get over yourselves.

I was enraged and my distrust of self-ID turned to disgust at it.

'man' isn't considered hateful terminology on MN.

I'm not really comfortable with referring to a trans woman, who has lived as a woman for many many years, as a man. It seems unnecessarily hateful

You can call him whatever you like, but stating facts is not 'hateful'. We are all over this nonsense now, thanks very much.

Back to the topic. I honestly can't believe this was allowed to happened. He is a disgrace and these poor women were failed.

If an organisation has a policy of only employing women and a job is given to a man then they have breached their own policy. Yes, he is still legally a man because he doesn't have a Gender Recognition Certificate that says he should be treated as a woman. Living as a woman doesn't mean that biologically you're a woman and legally without a GRC you're also not a woman. Whilst legal and biological facts may be unpalatable they're not necessarily hateful.

Campaign for better male rape survivor system then. The issue on the thread is about rape of women.

Were you here during the general election 🙄 ?

I am glad these many horrific incidents are finally making it out of the ghetto of the FWR board and to the mainstream boards.

well you can continue to mis-sex a man who for some reason absolutely had to be involved in the "care" of traumatised women.

Not here, though, if you don't mind.

I am hoping that this new report gets rid of him, at least on the grounds of incompetence. Not the grounds I'd like, but it will serve the purpose.

This fact he still is in his job is utterly shocking

Mortified means embarrassed. You surely mean disgusted, in which case I agree with you.

I think that's right, so he had all the options and she had none.

and a separate Men's Group. So males have potentially 3 groups to choose from and the Women have 1 that might include transwomen.