..To be mortified at the treatment of rape victims at the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre?

Long time poster of 20 years. I have name changed like many do to protect my child.

Oh the irony!

there is far less stigma associated with a man being raped today than a woman who was raped 40 years ago.

Ok So provide them with a separate building and then you won’t have a problem.

Men don’t campaign because there is a massive stigma involved with male rape.

Quite. Yet they're never the ones to start their own threads discussing the needs of males and how they should be prioritised, they just muscle in on the ones trying to talk about women's rights and needs. A bit like... well men.

Interestingly this is the only thread that poster has even posted on. It's almost like...

Quite. Yet they're never the ones to start their own threads discussing the needs of males and how they should be prioritised, they just muscle in on the ones trying to talk about women's rights and needs. A bit like... well men.

Interestingly this is the only thread that poster has even posted on. It's almost like...

Quite. Yet they're never the ones to start their own threads discussing the needs of males and how they should be prioritised, they just muscle in on the ones trying to talk about women's rights and needs. A bit like... well men.

Interestingly this is the only thread that poster has even posted on. It's almost like...

Ok So provide them with a separate building and then you won’t have a problem.

Men don’t campaign because there is a massive stigma involved with male rape.

Quite. Yet they're never the ones to start their own threads discussing the needs of males and how they should be prioritised, they just muscle in on the ones trying to talk about women's rights and needs. A bit like... well men.

Interestingly this is the only thread that poster has even posted on. It's almost like...

No need for the rude response really but ok. My response is in regards to those suggesting her son should campaign for the space he needs because women have had to. No victim should have to campaign for anything.

You didn't need to "fight or campaign" because the women before you had already done it. Who do you think set up women's aid and rape crisis?
Isn't it funny how men don't campaign for these services for other men?
When men are the ones doing the raping there is no place for men in a woman's rape crisis group. It doesn't matter if they claim to be "living as a woman"
They are not women

It seems to me that the vast majority of rape victims, male or female, would want separate sex services.

I can't really see who it benefits to mix the two and change the meanings of words so 'women's only' or even 'men's only' means mixed sex.

Actually, I can see who it benefits, and it's not the victims.

The lack of self awareness posting on a thread about males being where they're not wanted trying to shove males into a conversation where they're not wanted is quite breathtaking.

Again, as you appear to be hard of understanding.

Not once has anyone on here said that men don't deserve or need their own space after being raped. No one

This post was started about an issue in a rape support centre that directly affects women.

It doesn't require the input of anyone who decides to bleat on on about how men deserve better too and not just women.

It's not the time or place and I can reassure you that the patriarchy won't crumble to dust because "what about men" hasn't been included in a conversation

A lot of this has been covered in numerous threads on FWR.

At the time MW was appointed many women put in formal complaints to the ERCC, to Scotland's charity overseeing group, Scottish policians etc.. At that time (and now) most funding came via the SNP who were totally TWAW and implied if women's groups didn't accept TW they would lose their funding.

And in fact Rape Crisis Scotland as the federation lead group in Scotland did nothing.

And this is also going in in England, Wales and Scotland.

Labour has now got a woman to be chair of the Women and Equalities Committee who thinks TWAW.

The ERHC has recently issued guidelines that say categorically it is possible to advertise a job as being women only and include TW, although it is also possible to advertise a job as being women only but mean only those who are biologically female. If our laws are that confusing is it any wonder that some groups just lose touch with their founding principles.

It will only change when more are as brave as Roz Adams the ERCC employee who challenged, (NB not that TW worked at the centre) that she was forbidden to tell a potential user that some service provision would be from TW.

So even though many of us are outraged, upset, concerned, it wont change until more women who feel that women deserve women only services (ie same sex - biological reality) are directly involved.

If the only one giving out funding, asking for funding, providing services dont think there is a problem with TW in women's support services it wont change.

And dont forget there is a whole new generation coming into adulthood who all think talking and worrying about sex being a biological reality are just out of date dinasours.

Their website says they've supported trans rights and have integrated this as part of their service since 2008, which is some 13 or so years before Wadwha was appointed.

I haven't said a single thing in their defense. I've said using hateful terminology detracts from otherwise valid points. I don't agree that only women are capable of managing a rape support service, because women are not unique in suffering rape or sexual assault. But if that was the criteria set then it shouldn't have been moved from.

My username doesn't imply that I'm a man at all. It refers to a funny scene from a sitcom.

I'm a rape survivor, and in no way was I able to campaign or fight for anything immediately after the event. I was able to access all the help I needed. I find telling the mother of a male rape survivor that he ought to be campaigning for services he needs frankly fucking disgusting.

Because separate buildings and equal services are hugely important and part of the discussion.

Not common in our area. There is one rape centre. Men get raped too and are just as deserving of treatment.

It seems to me that the vast majority of rape victims, male or female, would want separate sex services.

I can't really see who it benefits to mix the two and change the meanings of words so 'women's only' or even 'men's only' means mixed sex.

Actually, I can see who it benefits, and it's not the victims.

Of course women should have access to women’s only spaces and women only staff, and that should of course be available to them all day, every day. Equally of course men who have been raped should access to a space and counselling service all day every day. A victim is a victim. It’s absolutely wrong that raped women have to campaign for this. It’s also wrong that raped men should have to either, 2 wrongs won’t make a right, a victim is a victim. A suitable service for anyone that needs it, but separate male and female buildings, that’s what is needed and should be obvious to those in power.