..To be mortified at the treatment of rape victims at the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre?

There are protocols in place for when this kind of thing happens. They could have made a complaint to the Charity Commission or raised the alarm.

However from what I read, they all colluded with him. They all bought into his schtick, so much so, that it overrode basic safeguarding.

A therapist let an untrained man sit in sessions and retraumatise a victim of sexual assault.

I'm not on the side of the man, I'm on the side of the women who were let down and further traumatised. As far as I can see, they all went along with it, going so far as to bully someone out of their job.

Why are we not blaming the man who posed as a women?

In fairness, Sandy Brindley and Maggie Chapman, who appointed Wadhwa, knew damn well he was a man.

I've actually never seen that exact quote about therapy being political before. I've picked up on it being problematic and unethical straight away .

Anyone familiar with my posting history will know I'm very sensitive about consent issues, undue pressure and ideology in women's health on a number of issues.

We need to get much better about recognising this and identifying where there are probably about this as women because ideology in healthcare disproportionately affects women. Scandals in healthcare are frequently links to ideological interference. Which is why scandals in healthcare disproportionately affects women.

The idea that therapy is political is appalling.

This has been one huge issue with the whole gender debacle. Everyone, everywhere, stepping out of their lane to stick their oar in something that is not their job and they often don't even understand the ramifications of.

Police, education, medical care, the press, finance, retail. It's absolutely everywhere. We need to get back to people doing their damned jobs and staying the hell out of things that don't concern those jobs.

He was put into the job not by men but by women. He was accountable to women trustees. None of these women were at the mercy of Wadhwa.

Why were they not aware of problems that arise / were indifferent to them.

Of course they should have spoken up.

There was a succession of trustees who quit without raising the alarm.

Wadhwa was making comments publicly that give serious cause for concern.

This report states that one interview directly harmed a service user. Yet lots of women have been telling Rape Crisis Scotland for sometimes how problematic that interview was - yet RCS doubled down to support Wadhwa.

All these women were in senior positions where it was their responsibility. They all kept their mouths shut. Their legal and moral responsibilities are to whistleblow and safeguard. It's what they are paid to do.

They didn't.

But the women working there have been oppressed in their workplace and unless you've been in that situation, you can't say how you would react.

It's interesting how your views are siding with the male, in the sense that you're berating the women for not doing better in the workplace and that they've allowed this to happen. You're effectively putting the blame on women for mens actions.

If these women had spoken up, they would have been sacked, labelled with being anti trans and had their reputation damaged. In turn, people don't want to be associated with that.

However they couldn't speak up for what their reasons and they are still being blamed.

Why are we not blaming the man who posed as a women?

The idea that therapy is political is appalling.

Medical care - both physical and mental should be focused on improving the health of the person and should be evidence based.

When ideology enters medicine people are harms. Every single time. Because ideology forces out best practice and means that you lose sight of what the primary objective is.

Because the primary objective then becomes the ideology not improving someone's well being.

This is why affirmation only care is problematic - the outcome has been predetermined before a medical assessment to see if there is another explanation and more appropriate treatment.

This is also why schools shouldn't be affirming. This should be down to medical professionals not people who don't have a fucking clue about counselling. Because affirmation only is not neutral.

The politicisation of counselling is also tied up in the conversion therapy bill controversy. If counsellors withdraw from the field because they fear being taken to court, then it means ideologically driven counsellors will control the field.

That's why there's huge concern amongst the gay community about 'transing away the gay' too.

It's why pro-life groups have no place in counselling women who are pregnant. Etc etc.

Because it's about controlling people. Not helping them impartially to make informed decisions without undue influence.

I don't think blaming female staff is helpful either. It's very easy to say 'speak up' but the CEO was obviously nasty and vindictive towards anyone who didn't believe he wasn't a woman.

I can't believe he's been allowed to resign. He may have been told he would be fired if he didn't but I would not have given him the option, he should have been sacked.

Even with all the evidence about his appalling performance and bullying he gets to walk away without a dismissal on his CV. If he's been paid off I'll be furious.

Rape Crisis in Scotland is a disgrace. He should never have been appointed and then they seem to have looked the other way as he bullied staff and denied services to women in need all whilst playing the victim. It's so fucking male.

The vulnerable women who have been retraumatised and refused services deserve someone to speak up for them. That's what the staff should have been doing.

You've got absolutely no idea of my background or what I've experienced, so don't presume to know.

The victims in this scenario were those women being let down in that organisation. The therapists actually sat there and let an unqualified man ask them if they orgasmed during rape. Do you think that's acceptable?

From the reports, they weren't too frightened to speak up, they actively colluded with him.

Sorry was referring to this

This is SO fucking weird to me.
So weird.

I don't know a single man so invested in women's rape support. I imagine for the vast majority of men it would be a highly uncomfortable thing to be around/involved in.

I don't understand it.
Well I do....but I don't think I can say it without a ban risk 🤢

YANBU

Especially because, a lot of the time, these men in dresses may be people who have raped before...

The female workers in the centre don't deserve your censure for not speaking up.

I don't think you're appreciating how oppressive organisational gaslighting can be. If your boss is MW, and his bosses the trustees are supporting him, it can be crazy making. You doubt your own sanity and stop trusting yourself to speak up.

The female workers should never have been put in this position in the first place.

It is very very very much a point of relevance. It is key to why he took the job. To further the political agenda of males like him. Not to centre women. He said therapy is political - he was actively targeting the therapy of raped women.

When you put it like that, it becomes very clear how dark and twisted this all is.

Militant TRAs deliberately select the most vulnerable people to force their ideology on (and possibly also to get their sexual jollies).

That's why they went for ND children too.

Once you see it you can't unsee it.

I just find it unbelievable. I would complain to the Charity Commission that survivors of sexual abuse were being subjected to an untrained man sitting in counselling sessions asking if they orgasm during rape. Don't therapists have a code of ethics?

I'd also complain that they were being retraumatised and refused services. Those professionals had a duty of care to those vulnerable women and failed them. They all colluded with him.

I'd sack the lot of them.

I'd say it's fear too. Fear created by the patriarchy and the handmaidens that support it.

They've made it so that anyone women that objects to unwanted male behaviour or objects to anything that compromises their female only safe spaces will ultimately get hounded and berated and isolated for feeling that way.

Everytime an issue concerning women appears on here, men and their apologists turn up to shit all over it.

They rely on the fear of women so create environments that uphold that

What a logical career progression.

This seems on the money to me. Very tentatively, as this is right out of my area, I assume that the label intersectional must have been intended to try to get people to look at issues in a more nuanced way and understand that some groups of women were facing discrimination and oppression not just because of their sex but also because of their ethnicity, religion, sexuality, socio-economic status or disability, or any combination thereof. This is obvious common sense. I'd be surprised to learn that the early proponents of intersectional feminism intended to create a hierarchy of oppression and yet here we are.

But in the case of ERC it wasn't even about a female victim potentially encountering a male victim. It was about a female victim potentially having to see a male Counsellor. Men absolutely have the right to decent rape crisis care, the same as women (ideally provided seperately but thats another discussion) they have No right, no right at all to be providing that care to women who want women only care. That is what is being discussed in this thread - a rape crisis centre put the (hypothetical) wishes of a male counsellor over the needs of a female victim. Its not even about the competing rights of 2 victims.

Thank goodness the trans CEO has now stood down, or been stood down. It was a prime case of putting the demands of wokery above all else.

Not only have they forgotten, but some of them (looking at you Talcum X) even accuse us of being bigots when we decline to consider a sexual relationship with someone with a penis.

Lesbians stepped up hugely for gay men during the early years of AIDs and campaigned alongside them, donated money, took the flak even though it wasn't technically our problem

Some of us will never forget how gay men turned round and returned the favour.

https://www.vahanomy.com/mridul-wadhwa

Already jumped on another gravy train

That's brilliant @MrsTerryPratchett

don't forget all the lesbians who gave years of their valuable time during the AIDS crisis to nurse sufferers, raise awareness, march and fundraise.

@GiveMeSpanakopita very true. Seems that gay men have largely forgotten though.

Inspired by this thread I just volunteered my professional services at a local women's refuge. I already donated money but it's never enough.