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..To be mortified at the treatment of rape victims at the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre?

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TorghunKhan · 12/09/2024 16:22

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clynyky7kj9o

No women only spaces for 16 months. Basically women, RAPED women - were told they could not definitely see a woman to help them with such an awful crime, they might have to see a man in a dress, and if they objected they were to be 're eductaed' by the man in charge - a man who himself applied for, and got!! a job which was supposed to be only filled by a woman.

It's shameful, disgusting, but whats worse is how many people put up with it!! Who thought this was ok?! why did nobody do anything, or say anything FOR YEARS

Woman with head in her arms sitting on a bed

Edinburgh rape crisis centre failed to protect women-only spaces

The centre unfairly dismissed a worker who believed victims should know the sex of staff who deal with their case.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clynyky7kj9o

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Binglebong · 13/09/2024 22:29

I wonder how many workers quietly left because they disagreed but knew they would get nowhere (and probably end up bkacklisted) if they tried to change things. Or stayed in the hope that they might make a small difference to the users, that they would at least have one woman fully on their side and might be able to slip things through.

You see it in care homes, terrible homes with the odd great worker who can't bear to abandon their charges because they want at least one good person there.

artsperson · 13/09/2024 21:24

Too true. So why don't women stand up for women and girls

Pearshaped20 · 13/09/2024 21:13

I don't have a problem with trans women/men, people should be allowed to live as they choose. However what I am getting more and more frustrated by is the assumption that women either in sport, in wanting women only changing rooms (John Lewis/Doncaster Hospital), in online forums or as per this thread, have the right to be seen by a woman, being made to feel bigoted, if they don't want a man in their space and keep it women only. Women's rights it seems, are increasingly being sidelined so that individuals can be accommodated. Surely women have just as much right to determine what a safe space is to them and be allowed to have that right. I can't imagine anything worse than not having a choice but to have to discuss with another man about having been raped by another man. And therein lies the problem of men/trans not really understanding why women sometimes don't want them in their space. A distinct lack of empathy and so much entitlement. JK Rowling was so frustrated by the Edinburgh situation that she has fully funded a women only rape crisis center so that women are not having to self exclude due to having no choice but to have a man present and making the rules.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 13/09/2024 21:00

WandsOut · 13/09/2024 20:46

www.rapecrisisscotland.org.uk/board-of-directors/

Current directors of Scottish Rape Crisis

Chaired by a woman who works for close the gap an organisation purporting to be for women but which supports self ID

www.closethegap.org.uk/content/resources/Close-the-Gap-response-to-the-GRA-reform-bill.pdf

BlueFlowers5 · 13/09/2024 20:52

I worked in a women's refuge and we knew it was essential that women were heard and supported by only women.
There's a danger perceived that some men will get off on hearing women's accounts or rape.
So they shouldn't be near any survivor service.
To aid healing, women need to feel safe.

WandsOut · 13/09/2024 20:46

www.rapecrisisscotland.org.uk/board-of-directors/

Current directors of Scottish Rape Crisis

RufustheFactualReindeer · 13/09/2024 19:52

TwistedWonder · 13/09/2024 19:36

https://x.com/ForWomenScot/status/1813840542419333131

Not sure this has already been mentioned but a male rapist was given access to the ERCC by claiming to be non binary

You think ‘there is no way this can get any worse’ and then it does

TwistedWonder · 13/09/2024 19:36

https://x.com/ForWomenScot/status/1813840542419333131

Not sure this has already been mentioned but a male rapist was given access to the ERCC by claiming to be non binary

x.com

https://x.com/ForWomenScot/status/1813840542419333131

HelenaTranscart · 13/09/2024 19:28

It's utterly appalling! The depth of the misogyny is unfathomable. Graham Linehan has a great post on his substack (worth subscribing to The Glinner Update) which lists this larping male's behaviour:

He has no GRC so is still legally male.
He lied about his sex to secure a job at Forth Valley Rape Crisis Centre.
He objected to an amendment allowing rape victims to choose the sex of the medical clinician examining them.
Pursuing political ambitions, he took a place on an SNP all-women shortlist.
He has demonstrated a shocking lack of knowledge regarding legislation that affects women’s services, a sector in which he’s worked for over a decade.
He is ‘disappointed’ by the single-sex provisions allowed for in the Equality Act 2010 and finds them ‘discriminatory’ against transwomen.
He sided with serial litigant and period-obsessed paedophile, Jonathan Yaniv, against a group of migrant women.
He seems to think it suitable to discuss whether rape victims experience orgasm.

But he's been enabled and protected by a lot of senior people who ought to be held accountable too, and ERCC is funded by the captured SNP government.

Heads should roll!

Mytreeisgone · 13/09/2024 19:03

PonyPatter44 · 13/09/2024 18:31

Trans to trans-port. It's just an expansion of sorts. Badum-tish.

Ha! 😀

Minions Mic Drop GIF
TwistedWonder · 13/09/2024 18:46

Mytreeisgone · 13/09/2024 15:41

What a logical career progression.

Another chance to wag his finger and scold us for not playing by his made up rules

TwistedWonder · 13/09/2024 18:44

artsperson · 13/09/2024 18:19

The whole trans nonsense needs stopping now. Who wants to share changing rooms with men who pretend to be women? And biological men competing against in sports is so wrong. And what happens to women only short lists.

Oh all women shortlists are still allowed as long as some of those women have a penis 🤦‍♀️

nothingcomestonothing · 13/09/2024 18:44

This is Rape Crisis Scotland, who have now thrown Wadhwa under the bus, responding to women's outrage at Wadhwa's words and the culture he was leading at Edinburgh Rape Crisis in 2021:

Women only spaces are a core principle of the Rape Crisis movement and upheld through our National Service Standards (read these here). These spaces include women with a diverse range of lived experience and views, including trans women and girls.

https://www.rapecrisisscotland.org.uk/news/news/1038/

Women only spaces according to RCS at that time included TW (and so weren't women only). Fast forward to this week, and RCS are horrified to find that ERCS didn't provide women only spaces Hmm RCS were utterly complicit in what happened at ERCS.

Credit due to the evil bigots at KF, who led me to this helpful example of how women objecting were/are characterised as hateful bigots,
https://transsafety.network/posts/ask-rape-crisis-scotland/
which in turn led me to the RCS statement.

PIKNIK20 · 13/09/2024 18:42

Finally, after 3 years the CEO responsible for this "ideological" instead of factual attitude to rape victims has been kicked out. But how many rape victims did not get support because of that person? Thank God for JKR centre in Edinburgh!

PonyPatter44 · 13/09/2024 18:31

Mytreeisgone · 13/09/2024 15:41

What a logical career progression.

Trans to trans-port. It's just an expansion of sorts. Badum-tish.

artsperson · 13/09/2024 18:19

The whole trans nonsense needs stopping now. Who wants to share changing rooms with men who pretend to be women? And biological men competing against in sports is so wrong. And what happens to women only short lists.

Kentucky83 · 13/09/2024 17:56

Of course you're not being unreasonable! He should never have even been considered for the position. The whole thing is an absolute scandal.

DiduAye · 13/09/2024 17:55

Verv · 12/09/2024 16:39

Surprising that RCS is feigning surprise when it was utterly complicit.

Thankfully the person in question is no longer in post

Kucinghitam · 13/09/2024 17:54

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 13/09/2024 17:14

Police Scotland - captured. The fact that crimes are recorded as what someone 'feels' they are instead of their sex is diabolical.

Many many police forces - captured.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 13/09/2024 17:14

Police Scotland - captured. The fact that crimes are recorded as what someone 'feels' they are instead of their sex is diabolical.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 13/09/2024 17:12

Sadly you are 100% right @nothingcomestonothing

the problem women have been grappling with for a number of years is that all the regulatory bodies are captured - stonewall got there first thanks to it already having a brilliant influencing network thanks to the good work it used to do

Scottish government - captured
rape crisis Scotland - captured
civil service - captured
media - captured
Local government - captured
NHS - captured
national lottery as a funder - captured

who do you complain too when all of them think men can be women?

nothingcomestonothing · 13/09/2024 17:02

poppyzbrite4 · 13/09/2024 16:23

There are protocols in place for when this kind of thing happens. They could have made a complaint to the Charity Commission or raised the alarm.

However from what I read, they all colluded with him. They all bought into his schtick, so much so, that it overrode basic safeguarding.

A therapist let an untrained man sit in sessions and retraumatise a victim of sexual assault.

I'm not on the side of the man, I'm on the side of the women who were let down and further traumatised. As far as I can see, they all went along with it, going so far as to bully someone out of their job.

Women did try. There were certainly a load of handmaidens but Roz Adams put her head over the parapet, and was bullied, harrassed and lost her job and had to go through court.

Women complained to the EHRC as soon as he was employed that he was employed in a job which had a genuine occupational requirement to only be given to a women. EHRC said they didn't have the resources to intervene.

All of the regulatory bodies are captured by gender ideology - the charity commission has been investigating Mermaids -who had a paedophile on their board and a male staff member with naked photos of himself on publicly available internet sites interacting with children - for three years now,.and Mermaids are still going.

British Association for Counselling and Psychotherapy are captured - they've got Sophie Grace Chappell, a TW who said on record that it wouldn't matter if letting males into women's spaces caused a slight spike in women being murdered, advising them on their ethical policy. I wish I'd made that one up, but I didn't. Counselling regulator using a male who said women getting murdered by letting males into women's spaces.doesnt matter to write their ethics policy.

Social Work England is captured, they sanctioned Rachel Meade for GC posts she made on her private FB page and defended their actions in court.

Rape Crisis Scotland, despite disavowing Wadhwa now, supported him until after Roz Adams tribunal.

The SNP government were and are captured, it took down Sturgeon in the end but the ideology hasn't gone away. The UK government have stated they won't define 'woman' in the Equality Act to protect our rights, but they will make it easier to get a gender recognition certificate, and the chair of the women and equalities select committee this week couldn't define a woman other than 'someone who earns less and isn't safe walking the street'. The civil service is captured, a second member of SEEN in civil service is currently being dragged to court for saying biology exists.

Who do you think women could have whistleblown to?

poppyzbrite4 · 13/09/2024 16:48

KTheGrey · 13/09/2024 16:44

if you want to be properly cross, check out JK Rowling’s X feed on this. That’s JKR who is
now presumably providing all of Edinburgh’s RCC at Beria Place, as referrals have now been paused to ERCC.

Edited

I can't stop thinking about that 60 year old woman who wanted to join a group to talk about her sexual assault for the first time in her life and was turned away. Labelling emails from survivors as 'hate mail' when they asked about the sex of the support. Having their trauma fetishized in therapy.

It makes me feel sick.

I'll check out her X.

KTheGrey · 13/09/2024 16:44

poppyzbrite4 · 13/09/2024 16:23

There are protocols in place for when this kind of thing happens. They could have made a complaint to the Charity Commission or raised the alarm.

However from what I read, they all colluded with him. They all bought into his schtick, so much so, that it overrode basic safeguarding.

A therapist let an untrained man sit in sessions and retraumatise a victim of sexual assault.

I'm not on the side of the man, I'm on the side of the women who were let down and further traumatised. As far as I can see, they all went along with it, going so far as to bully someone out of their job.

if you want to be properly cross, check out JK Rowling’s X feed on this. That’s JKR who is
now presumably providing all of Edinburgh’s RCC at Beria Place, as referrals have now been paused to ERCC.

Willyoujustbequiet · 13/09/2024 16:38

MrsTerryPratchett · 13/09/2024 14:58

don't forget all the lesbians who gave years of their valuable time during the AIDS crisis to nurse sufferers, raise awareness, march and fundraise.

@GiveMeSpanakopita very true. Seems that gay men have largely forgotten though.

Inspired by this thread I just volunteered my professional services at a local women's refuge. I already donated money but it's never enough.

Thank you for doing that. As a survivor I am forever grateful to the women who believed and supported me.

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