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Is this silent treatment from my 13 year old abusive?

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purpleRainfalling · 12/09/2024 16:16

So background story. We had a cat for about a year. It was my 17 year olds cat she got from a friend. It got too overwhelming me taking care of a pet when no one was helping and I have young children to take care of and I under estimated the responsibility when i agreed to the 17 year old that she can bring the cat home and everyone else was out of the house all day and i was left with the cat and as I have to try to find a job now that my daughter is starting 15 hours nursery I won't have time for the cat.

So I discussed with the 17 year old about rehoming and she understood. The other children were sad but adapted BUT the 13 year old is milking it. She is giving me silent treatment won't communicate with me and gives me massive attitude when she HAS to communicate with me

I feel very triggered as this is what her dad was like with me and she's the only one of my children who's in contact with her dad.

AiBU to feel like she's abusing me and using the cat rehoming as an excuse? There were times she didn't even want the cat in her room.

I've begged her to 'be OK with me'and it reminded me of when I used to beg her dad to be ok with me when he gave me the silent treatment

I'm so very anxious and sad

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notenoughteaintheworld · 12/09/2024 17:38

purpleRainfalling · 12/09/2024 17:27

The way some posters are commenting is basically making out that a child should be allowed to disrespect a parent for making a decision and carrying on doing it.
Like I said I know she's sad and upset and I feel sorry and upset myself that she's hurt over me rehoming a cat. How does that make me a narc for being upset that my child is upset with me for a decision I made when I don't want her to be hurt
That doesn't male me a narc

OP, not understanding that others are allowed to have feelings even if those feelings make you feel bad is like… the key of being narcissistic.

Nobody here is a psychologist (that we know of) and no professional could diagnose you without spending lots of time with you instead of viewing a small snapshot of your life on a website that you wrote when you were emotional.

At the end of the day, though, your child is allowed to protect their feelings by not protecting yours, if it’s something like not speaking to you. You’re carrying a lot of hurt from your ex. Your daughter is not your ex

Ilovelifeverymuch · 12/09/2024 17:37

LolaJ87 · 12/09/2024 17:35

The silent treatment is one of the few ways young teens can feel some control. It's not fun, but it's not abusive, and OP doesn't seem to be modelling successful alternative paths forward.

As I said it's unacceptable and you conveniently left out that it comes with shouting at her mother to minimize it.

OP needs to teach her daughter better ways to handle her upset, again it is unacceptable for a 13 year old to be giving the silent treatment at home for days and shouting at her parents.

Yes the part about her father I agree with others she should not be comparing and making such statements but people are then using that to try to justify a 13 acting like that.

purpleRainfalling · 12/09/2024 17:37

Someone further up said I am a narc because I did something to hurt someone else expecting them not be sad about it

No I made a decision to rehome a cat for many reasons as I was the only one taking care of it
If I woke up one day and said right I'm giving this cat away as I know got a fact it will hurt my 13 year old and I can sit and make her feel bad for feeling bad! Nah that's a narc
The intention to give away the cat wasn't with the Intention to hurt her it was due to a multitude of reasons

I've told her I know she's sad and I've explained the reasoning and what I would really like is for her to communicate
But she's completely silencing me and at the times she had to communicate with she's giving me attitude. Yesterday she stormed into the bathroom whilst I was bathing toddler to ask for something and nearly smacked the door in my head so I made this thread tl ask advice whether this is going further than normal sadness and I guess I got tore down

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LolaJ87 · 12/09/2024 17:35

Ilovelifeverymuch · 12/09/2024 17:31

Her child is entitled to her feelings but she doesn't not get to give her parents the silent treatment for days and shout at her. That's is absolutely unacceptable.

The silent treatment is one of the few ways young teens can feel some control. It's not fun, but it's not abusive, and OP doesn't seem to be modelling successful alternative paths forward.

Edenmum2 · 12/09/2024 17:35

If people agree that she is abusing you - what would that achieve for you? Unfortunately she is your daughter and until she is an adult you kinda have to just grin and bear her attitude. The silent treatment obviously isn't abuse the same way it is from a partner - I would steer very clear of going down that line of thinking especially in front of her.

She's sulking. She'll get over it. Don't give her the rise shes trying to get out of you.

Whatisyourfavouriteflower · 12/09/2024 17:33

purpleRainfalling · 12/09/2024 17:27

The way some posters are commenting is basically making out that a child should be allowed to disrespect a parent for making a decision and carrying on doing it.
Like I said I know she's sad and upset and I feel sorry and upset myself that she's hurt over me rehoming a cat. How does that make me a narc for being upset that my child is upset with me for a decision I made when I don't want her to be hurt
That doesn't male me a narc

I agree with you OP.
You were the adult and made the decision you felt best. It wasn't your dd's decision to make. She is allowed to be upset and you are allowed to feel sorry she is upset.
And she shouldn't be continuing to give you the silent treatment because that smacks of a toddler having a tantrum because they aren't getting their own way.

TonTonMacoute · 12/09/2024 17:33

cestlavielife · 12/09/2024 16:20

She is not her dad
Leave her be she is sad about the cat
Act normally

This

She knows it's getting to you, you are giving her this weapon to use against you.

Im sorry your confidence has been so undermined by your ex that you cannot deal with a sulky teen.

Silvers11 · 12/09/2024 17:32

@purpleRainfalling Ok. The cat was clearly stressed and unhappy if it was peeing everywhere and if it had been used to being allowed to go out and about that will have added to its stress following the move of house. So it sounds the best thing for the cat to have been rehomed to people who were able to give it what it needed. That was a good decision.

I am more than a little concerned about you though, that you think a 13 year old who is upset about the cat and is also around puberty and with hormones raging is actually being abusive to you. Yes, teenagers CAN be abusive towards their parents, but to be honest this sounds like normal teenage behaviour. Unless she is being physically violent, threatening or trying to blackmail you financially or in some other way, she is behaving like many normal teenagers who are upset and angry because something has happened that they don't like.

You need to treat it as such and try to ignore the behaviour. Don't speak to her if she is crying or shouting and tell her you will not discuss anything until she is calm and polite when speaking to her. And stick to that. You may also want to try and find out if there is anything else going on which is upsetting her at the same time as the cat

Ilovelifeverymuch · 12/09/2024 17:31

LolaJ87 · 12/09/2024 17:30

I don't know whether you're a narcissist or not but the way you asked for advice about this and then aren't taking any of it on board is very frustrating. If you get stuck in this loop with your child instead of listening to them, I can see why it's not going well.

Your child is entitled to feel their feelings and express them.

Her child is entitled to her feelings but she doesn't not get to give her parents the silent treatment for days and shout at her. That's is absolutely unacceptable.

LolaJ87 · 12/09/2024 17:30

purpleRainfalling · 12/09/2024 17:27

The way some posters are commenting is basically making out that a child should be allowed to disrespect a parent for making a decision and carrying on doing it.
Like I said I know she's sad and upset and I feel sorry and upset myself that she's hurt over me rehoming a cat. How does that make me a narc for being upset that my child is upset with me for a decision I made when I don't want her to be hurt
That doesn't male me a narc

I don't know whether you're a narcissist or not but the way you asked for advice about this and then aren't taking any of it on board is very frustrating. If you get stuck in this loop with your child instead of listening to them, I can see why it's not going well.

Your child is entitled to feel their feelings and express them.

Ilovelifeverymuch · 12/09/2024 17:30

purpleRainfalling · 12/09/2024 17:24

Maybe I used the wrong choice of words but to call me narcissistic for being upset is way off thr mark als completely wrong considering none of you know me

I think you used the wrong choice of words and as others have said you shouldn't be comparing her to her father but I agree with you that the silent treatment and shouting is unacceptable.

I understand she is upset and that is expected but she needs to be taught more healthier ways of dealing with upset not giving people the silent treatment and shouting. Such behaviour will also play into her friendships as she gets older and possible future relationships if not nipped in the bud.

Porridgeislife · 12/09/2024 17:29

purpleRainfalling · 12/09/2024 17:27

The way some posters are commenting is basically making out that a child should be allowed to disrespect a parent for making a decision and carrying on doing it.
Like I said I know she's sad and upset and I feel sorry and upset myself that she's hurt over me rehoming a cat. How does that make me a narc for being upset that my child is upset with me for a decision I made when I don't want her to be hurt
That doesn't male me a narc

Yes it does because you have no insight into the fact that she’s an emotionally immature 13yo (because that’s how you are in your early teens) who is reacting the only way she knows how to something that has really upset her.

Instead you’re claiming to be the victim in this scenario.

Miyagi99 · 12/09/2024 17:29

I wouldn’t have forgiven my mother at that age if she’d rehomed a family pet, especially a cat for those reasons as cats are pretty much self-sufficient.

HRHelpNeededPlease · 12/09/2024 17:28

purpleRainfalling · 12/09/2024 17:24

Maybe I used the wrong choice of words but to call me narcissistic for being upset is way off thr mark als completely wrong considering none of you know me

Actually I hesistated to use the word narcissistic in my response, but I did think it when I read your OP. This is classic narc behaviour, to be frank. Do something that hurts someone else, then be angry with them for being upset because it shines a light on your own behaviour. Expecting them to moderate their emotional response to a trauma that you caused, so that you don't need to feel bad about what you did.

You may not be a narcissist, but this is a narcissistic act.

purpleme12 · 12/09/2024 17:28

Does she understand why the cat was rehomed?
Was it discussed beforehand?

purpleRainfalling · 12/09/2024 17:27

The way some posters are commenting is basically making out that a child should be allowed to disrespect a parent for making a decision and carrying on doing it.
Like I said I know she's sad and upset and I feel sorry and upset myself that she's hurt over me rehoming a cat. How does that make me a narc for being upset that my child is upset with me for a decision I made when I don't want her to be hurt
That doesn't male me a narc

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AmaryllisNightAndDay · 12/09/2024 17:26

You're reacting as if she's an abusive adult but she's not - she's just a teenager who's feeling sad and stroppy. She's not treating you like a criminal she's just treating you like a parent who's done something she's unhappy about.

Begging her is not appropriate. She doesn't have to be "OK with you". She can be angry and upset and sulky and not want to spend much time with you for a while. That's normal. The fact that the cat has gone to a good home is cold comfort to her - he's not in her home any more. But you all have to live together. You can be sympathetic to her feelings - of course she is sad and cross about losing the family pet! - and give her space to sulk but still insist that she is minimally polite to you with the usual consequences for rudeness or shouting.

Not all cats are minimal effort. My last two were a fuck of a lot of hassle especially because (like you) I had to keep them indoors. And one of them would occasionally crap on the sofa. That was bad. I kept them but it got me down at times! I am happily catfree at the moment... but looking forward to a time when circumstances are better and I can keep cats with much less trouble.

Anyway, your DD's behaviour might be triggering such an extreme response in you because of what happened with your ex. You need to get past that and stay cool and cheery if you can, otherwise it will harm you and her.

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 12/09/2024 17:26

What have you done so far to help her "move forward"? Maybe people can suggest conversations you haven't tried.

Whatisyourfavouriteflower · 12/09/2024 17:26

Gosh OP you seem to be getting picked on from all sides in this thread..
I think the pp who are focusing on your decision to give the cat away are being unreasonable. You made the decision with the welfare of the cat in mind and the one that suited your needs going forward.

Even if the 13 year old was upset about your decision giving you the silent treatment is unreasonable. But you shouldn't be begging her to speak to you. You are validating her behaviour by doing that. I feel you should make it clear you are sorry she is upset about the cat and then you should try and carry on as normal: speak to her as normal and if she doesn't speak back to you then just accept that you aren't getting a reply. Don't make a big issue of it. She can't keep her silence up indefinitely. By letting her see it upsets you she is getting her reward for bad behaviour.

LolaJ87 · 12/09/2024 17:26

purpleRainfalling · 12/09/2024 17:24

Maybe I used the wrong choice of words but to call me narcissistic for being upset is way off thr mark als completely wrong considering none of you know me

Yes and even from YOUR description and explanation of events, you still sound like you're not handling this well. Would you not accept feedback on that?

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 12/09/2024 17:25

She's not her dad. She's not an adult. She's a sad and angry child. You're projecting all of the feelings you had about your ex onto her and behaving as if she has a level of power over you that she does not have. She doesn't have the power or agency to abuse you.

YOYOK · 12/09/2024 17:25

purpleRainfalling · 12/09/2024 17:24

Maybe I used the wrong choice of words but to call me narcissistic for being upset is way off thr mark als completely wrong considering none of you know me

I agree. It was wrong and unfair to call you narcissistic.
It is also wrong and unfair to call your 13 year old an abuser.

Sit down with her. Communicate.

LolaJ87 · 12/09/2024 17:25

purpleRainfalling · 12/09/2024 17:21

@SloggingOn24 you have no idea
Just judged me from one post
In not an abuser
I don't go around abusing my family or friends or anyone
An abuser is someone who intentionally hurts someone I don't
How is wanting my child to communicate and more past a situation instead of giving silent treatment with can be hurtful to everyone as well as herself be abusive?

Because you're not acknowledging your child is a person with thoughts and feelings, who is hurt by choices you made. Not speaking to you right now is one of the few things she can control. You're looking at all of this through a very selfish lens with very little empathy/compassion.

HRHelpNeededPlease · 12/09/2024 17:24

She loved her cat and she's upset. Blimey, give her a break. She'll come round in the end. it's a bit much to accuse her of triggering you, of being abusive and like her father. I do hope you haven't told her that directly.

If you do upsetting things that destabilise children and teens (like give away a family pet) and then demand that your children should not express their emotions over it in case it makes you feel bad, then I think that is abusive.

I understand your reasons for needing to give up the cat. You should understand her reasons for being in a sad sulk over it, and not expect her to just snap out of it. Act as normal as possible around her, cut her some slack, give her a hug, and let her come round in her own time. It won't last forever.

purpleRainfalling · 12/09/2024 17:24

Maybe I used the wrong choice of words but to call me narcissistic for being upset is way off thr mark als completely wrong considering none of you know me

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