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Is this silent treatment from my 13 year old abusive?

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purpleRainfalling · 12/09/2024 16:16

So background story. We had a cat for about a year. It was my 17 year olds cat she got from a friend. It got too overwhelming me taking care of a pet when no one was helping and I have young children to take care of and I under estimated the responsibility when i agreed to the 17 year old that she can bring the cat home and everyone else was out of the house all day and i was left with the cat and as I have to try to find a job now that my daughter is starting 15 hours nursery I won't have time for the cat.

So I discussed with the 17 year old about rehoming and she understood. The other children were sad but adapted BUT the 13 year old is milking it. She is giving me silent treatment won't communicate with me and gives me massive attitude when she HAS to communicate with me

I feel very triggered as this is what her dad was like with me and she's the only one of my children who's in contact with her dad.

AiBU to feel like she's abusing me and using the cat rehoming as an excuse? There were times she didn't even want the cat in her room.

I've begged her to 'be OK with me'and it reminded me of when I used to beg her dad to be ok with me when he gave me the silent treatment

I'm so very anxious and sad

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NoDishiForRishi · 12/09/2024 16:42

Shes sulking. That's being a teenager. Did the 17 year old not sulk from time to time?

Shes not her dad. I really hope you haven't drawn that comparison to her face.

She can sulk as much as she likes but she doesn't get to be rude, when you require a response she needs to be civil, if she isn't then you give an appropriate consequence.

TawnyHabenero · 12/09/2024 16:42

Yes I understand she's upset ive told her this and maybe I've done something awful In her eyes

Great, you acknowledged her feelings…. But then..

but I don't think I deserve being treated like im a criminal for so long

You give a but. As soon as you add a ‘but’ you are dismissing the feelings and counteracting the acknowledgment you just gave.

‘You are allowed to be angry with me but actually you are not allowed to be angry with me to this extent or for this long’

The in love while parenting app is free and a great start to understanding this stuff

MyOtherCarisAVauxhallZafira · 12/09/2024 16:41

I don't think DS would forgive me if I gave away our cat, you work on problems you don't give them away. She's sad and probably angry, she feels powerless and this is the only thing she can control. It's not healthy to compare her to get father, insinuating there's an issue because she's the one who maintained a relationship with him, calling her abusive because she's while understandably annoyed with you so it's choosing to disengage, that's often advice given here!

I agree with PP you need to engage with appropriate therapy

BertieBotts · 12/09/2024 16:41

No, she's just being 13.

Abusers often behave in emotionally immature ways - it is then difficult when you have children with them and the children seem to mimic those ways, but they are being children (usually) and will grow out of it. Whereas the abuser was the one who should have acted like a reasonable, mature adult.

MrMucker · 12/09/2024 16:40

Not nice.
But
She's communicating with you, doing it because she knows it bothers you. You're feeding off each other in this.
Only one of you needs to change, and as adults we have better capacity for concerted change than kids. As parents we can change our reactions and sometimes it's like a magic wand how a child will find this intriguing and very slightly unsettling.
So that's the way forward. Stop letting it bother you. Or stop letting it show it bothers you whatsoever. She wont speak to you? Ignore, go speak with someone else. Every time. Go off into another room singing if that's what it takes.
She will realise that connecting with you will require words, or nice actions, or whatever it is that gets a reaction.

Skybluepinky · 12/09/2024 16:40

She like most will think u got rid of the cat cos u didn’t want it. They really don’t take up much time. Lots who work full time have cats.

TimetoPour · 12/09/2024 16:39

Are you for real?

In your child’s eyes (yes, 13 is still an emotionally, immature child) you have given the family cat away. She is entitled to feel a sense of grief rather than you emotionally manipulating her by saying things like “begging her” like you begged her absent father.

If anyone is abusive- emotionally abusive- it is you.

purpleRainfalling · 12/09/2024 16:38

Sorry but people saying all a cat needs is food and water? No it needs more than that. It needs constant fleaing and worming and cat litter tray needs emptying all the time. I couldn't have my windows open at all because the cat would Try to escape and like I said it would get run over. It's not nice to not be able to open your window s either
It weeing and pooing everywhere
It pooed In my bath as well
I couldn't handle that
I have young children
I didn't want a pet in the first place but my 17 year old guilt tripped me .
Yes I understand she's upset ive told her this and maybe I've done something awful In her eyes but I don't think I deserve being treated like im a criminal for so long
Like people on here are condoning a child's grudge and behaviour long term over this I don't get how that's OK

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TawnyHabenero · 12/09/2024 16:38

If you want to protect your relationship you really need to consider family therapy and some one to one psychotherapy for yourself to process your trauma and be the grounded and calm parent they need.

Some signs of an unhealthy dynamic here:

the 13 year old is milking it.

there were times when she didn’t even want the cat in her bedroom

Dismissing and invalidating her feelings - how can you judge if she is overreacting? You aren’t inside her head, you don’t know how she feels about the cat

She is giving me silent treatment won't communicate with me and gives me massive attitude when she HAS to communicate with me

She feels unable to express her feelings to you, perhaps she expects you to dismiss them. Attitude is normal teenager behavior.

I feel very triggered as this is what her dad was like with me and she's the only one of my children who's in contact with her dad.

You need therapy to work through those triggers and stop conflating her with your ex

AiBU to feel like she's abusing me

Yes

I've begged her to 'be OK with me'

This is so unhealthy.

I'm so very anxious and sad

Please get the therapy you need and deserve. Maybe EMDR and/or psychotherapy help you.

She needs you to acknowledge, accept and validate her feelings.

‘I can see you’re really upset about the cat leaving.’

‘You won’t want to talk to me, perhaps you are feeling angry and frustrated?’

Love51 · 12/09/2024 16:37

Abuse indicates a power dynamic where the abuser has more power. She's 13, not throwing her weight around, just disengaging. Silent treatment can be abusive but coming from a child I don't think it is. Also I'm not sure what you want to gain by categorising it in that way. Did you want to use that emotive language to your daughter?
Essentially you want to make an unpopular decision and you also want your daughter to be OK with it. She isn't OK with it, and you need to get to a place where that's fine with you, you can accept that she feels upset about something without being triggered by it. You are the adult here, it isn't her responsibility to manage your emotions.

Timeforaglassofwine · 12/09/2024 16:35

You are using some big words - abusive, triggering, punishment for a child who is being a bit of an arse. They have some big emotions that they don't know how to deal with it. You give them power by begging them to speak to you, but you are the parent. You need to speak to someone who can help your child manage their apparent grief.

mewkins · 12/09/2024 16:35

I like cats but that is not the issue. You made the best decision for you and the cat is in a nice new home.

I don't think it's quite normal to sulk for a week as a 13 year old but I think all teens develop an awareness of what pisses you off and so they use that to maximum effect. Rather than beg for her forgiveness maybe tell.her that when she wants to talk and can do so politely you will be there. Then clean slate and move on.

Calamitousness · 12/09/2024 16:35

YABU. It’s not abuse. She’s deeply upset and this is the only way she can be heard. Presumably she did not want the cat rehomed and said so.

Heronwatcher · 12/09/2024 16:35

Yes at 13 her brain hasn’t developed and she’s not got the maturity to be abusive. It’s like me saying that my 2 yr old is abusive because he woke me up twice last night and refused to eat his lunch and then demanded a snack 5 minutes later. It’s not abuse it’s the behaviour of a 2 yr old.

I really think you’re letting your experiences with your ex ruin your relationship with your very normal sounding daughter, and I’d get some help dealing with it personally.

Clementine22 · 12/09/2024 16:34

She’s sad and sulking - that’s normal behaviour for a 13 year old and I think suggesting it’s abuse is extremely overreacting, it’s part and parcel of being a parent I’m afraid.

BarbedButterfly · 12/09/2024 16:34

I assume you took the cat to the vet where it was weeing everywhere?

She may not be dealing with it in the best way but she is unhappy and 13. She may not forgive you for it. I probably wouldn't have at that age.

However you do need therapy for your past or you do risk projecting your ex onto her.

Soontobe60 · 12/09/2024 16:33

What on earth did you expect would happen when you gave away the family pet??? A cat takes absolutely no looking after apart from feeding once a day and cleaning out the litter box. If id have done that my DD would probably have hated me for years!

RickyGervaislovesdogs · 12/09/2024 16:33

Perhaps the cat was stressed if it was weeing all over the show, I’m shocked anyone wanted a 17 yr old cat with a peeing issue ti be honest but there we are.

Your child is sulking- leave her to it, she will come around when she wants something.

Ghilliegums · 12/09/2024 16:32

I wonder if your irritation with your dd got muddled with your irritation with the cat.

Arlanymor · 12/09/2024 16:31

You’re looking at this from the wrong way around.

She lost her dad and then another family member (albeit one that she maybe didn’t bother with too much) is also leaving. It’s yet more upheaval for her and she’s a teen, drama is second nature, she is still figuring out the world. Hurt people: hurt people.

Her behaviour is shitty, but it’s not without reason. Try and meet her halfway and don’t compare the behaviour of a child with that of a grown man, it’s unfair and also gross. Be clear with her, set out your boundaries and tell her when her behaviour is unacceptable, inappropriate or disproportionate. Don’t beg her.

Updating following the cat drip feed - probably better that the cat is somewhere its needs can be better taken care of. Does your daughter want a pet? Maybe something more manageable? Could you have a conversation about that, and about responsibility? It just feels you are putting a lot of judgement on a kid.

Rory17384949 · 12/09/2024 16:31

I would have been devastated if my parents had rehomed one of my pets when I was 13, poor girl!
How much trouble is a cat during the day anyway? They mostly just sleep

Ghilliegums · 12/09/2024 16:31

Pets aren't machines. They are often messy, smelly and inconvenient. My dog is 15 now and frequently pisses and shits on the kitchen floor, even though he can go outside. It's my job to deal with it, I wouldn't dream of giving him away.

MidnightPatrol · 12/09/2024 16:30

You aren’t being ‘punished’ OP.

Shes sad and expressing that she’s sad.

You need to think about this through a lens of her feelings, not your own.

sunseaandsoundingoff · 12/09/2024 16:30

purpleRainfalling · 12/09/2024 16:27

The cat was a lot of effort
It was weeing everywhere and lots of other things. Even though it had a cat litter tray.
The cat also was wanting to escape multiple times but we live on a main road ( we didn't when we first got him) so I couldn't let him out as he would have got run over
The cat was unhappy.
Yet I'm being punished for making a decision as an adult
I say 'abusing me'as she's frequently shouting at me amd giving me attitude and silent treatment

So get a not old indoor cat and maybe she'll forgive you. Also better to get a female as their ranges are naturally smaller and they often don't crave running around outside as much, especially if they're lazy/more interested in food and sleeping.

Was the cat neutered? What was its history?

purpleme12 · 12/09/2024 16:30

Did you talk to her about the cat rehoming before it happened?
Did she understand? rehoming a pet is a big thing let's face it