To not be happy with new teacher so far because of this

In your career, have you ever lost your temper, or shouted at someone?
I'm sure the teachers in your child's school do shout at the kids, just out of sight of the parents. It's not something I do in front of parents, nor is it particularly good form, but teachers are humans, not robots.
I work with many 'normal competent teachers' who occasionally make mistakes or shout at children. I'd probably include myself in that category too.

If it was a deliberate choice to shout at a small child rather than her losing her temper that actually makes it worse, not better.

I would ask you see the Head Teacher and voice your concerns. She sounds horrible and should not be shouting at 5 year olds.

Your child has been in school for a week along with about 25+ other new children whom the teacher is getting to know. Already you have ‘complained’ about a book, spoken about his struggling and complained on here because (in your opinion) he was shouted at unfairly. Is he your only child and first to attend school as it may be that you are overreacting and thinking your child is the only one she should be concentrating on? PLEASE do not become one of those dreaded parents who is unhappy with everything and mollycoddles her child.

Losing your cool when a class of 5yr olds are leaving the school clearly shows that’s she’s not coping well with the job as it’s only been a week or so and it needs reporting to the Head to investigate further.

At our Primary school, teachers would happily allow parents a quick word in the playground at drop off and pick up and managed not to shout at the kids either!

Maybe they're Superhuman or just normal competent teachers? 🤔

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I think the only reason he left the line was because his teacher said ‘who else can see someone they know’ so he came up in front of her and said something probably along the lines of ‘ I can see my mummy’

She probably said "shouting out" because all he needed to do there was put his hand up. Instead he moved out of line. Pick up times can be chaos and loud and she might have already told the line to put their hands up and stay in the line, so he got told off. You have a very small snapshot of a situation, did you consider just asking her? That age has a hard transition from mostly free time and "busy" jobs so actual sit down raise your hands learning and it's hard for kids and staff.

Pick up is a very stressful time of the day for teachers and more so when the kids very little. Your son may have interrupted her train of thought (if she said he shouted then he may be been quite loud) which is frankly dangerous when she needs to make sure each one of 30 kids is picked up by the right person (each of which she’s only just met - it’s the start of term!). There may even be kids in the class with safeguarding concerns who can’t be collected by certain parties, or kids who are still liable to run off if not actively stopped. She needs to concentrate at this time of day, and may have felt that a stern tone was the best way to discourage all the kids piling on and shouting out.

As for shouting… don’t know. Maybe it was a long, frought day and she was a bit more brusque than she should’ve been. They are only human. ( as are us TAs)

No. Raise your bar. Nobody should shout at work, however stressed they are, esp when working with vulnerable people. If you are professional, you control yourself at work.

You don’t get to shout because you are ‘only human’. Bet you wouldn’t shout as a dad that came in. It’s ok to shout at a young child though?

This is the teachers job! If she is behaving like this one week into school what will she be like for the rest of the year?
The person we need to be concerned about here is the poor child.

She shouldn’t be raising her voice at a 5 year old. No excuses - it doesn’t matter how stressed she may have felt. She’s an adult, a teacher. Shouting at a nervous 5 year old is not acceptable.

I'm glad to hear that, as an adult, your reaction to a person stepping out of a line would be to scream at them. I guess if they don't want to be screamed at they should just wait their turn.

Nope. Some days I am beyond stressed at work in the NHS. Life or death situations. It does not give me an excuse to shout at patients or colleagues. And we would be rightfully chastised for shouting.

It’s so silly to compare being a parent to being a teacher. A teacher is a professional.

I have been a doctor for thirty years and have had my fair share of challenging patients and relatives. I have never ever raised my voice, never mind shouted. Because that would be unprofessional. Why does a teacher think it’s ok to shout? Esp when nothing dangerous has happened.

Stop making excuses for the teacher.

I had a parent complain this week that their child hadn’t had a book and reading diary when I KNOW that every single child absolutely did have them ( I went through the list with each child and ticked them off as they chose their book) so I’ve had to do a replacement diary and book. Wonder where the original went, as it’s definitely not in the classroom, and they didn’t take them anywhere else, because I gave them all out just before hometime?

Also had two children bring their books in without the plastic zip-up wallets they are sent home in and they couldn’t tell me what had happened to them. Now they’ve got to have poly pockets because we can’t afford to replace them as a school.

just trying to point out it’s not always school’s fault.

As for shouting… don’t know. Maybe it was a long, frought day and she was a bit more brusque than she should’ve been. They are only human. ( as are us TAs)

Parents are allowed no direct contact with teachers at my daughter’s school. Emails go the school office and are passed on. We can’t speak to them at pick up and drop off as they only come out as the bell goes. It’s incredibly frustrating, but I can imagine they need that protection from parents to stay sane!

In this situation, the teacher has told you to contact her with any questions, then ignored you. I’d be frustrated by this too. It doesn’t make sense.

With regards to the shouting, I would have stepped in at the time and asked why she was shouting. That’s not on.

The same way as she gave a nervous little 5 year old a break?

Options for our empathy:

1. A professional adult who lost her rag.
2. A nervous little 5 year old.

You chose the professional adult who lost her rag.

Well done.....

So you didn’t say anything and walked off??

Blah blah blah…. One week into school and you’re already on at the poor teacher who has to sort out 30 children, 30 reading books, 30 lost jumpers etc etc give that teacher a break!!!!

Like many jobs, teaching is a job that you only really discover if you want to do it/are any good at it when you actually do it, not during the training.
And trust me, there's a lot more than ' a bit of pressure' in teaching!

I'm sad reading your post as this is the reality of having your child at school. Mine are now older and I know when the new teachers say 'please always speak to us' they don't actually mean it. They want to hear from you as little as possible, they are not interested in knowing how much your child may be struggling in the mornings, that their lunch pack is missing, or whether s/he has finished reading their book.

Yes, yes, so many children... Parents must be unreasonable.

Cut her some slack.
She shouldn't have shouted but she's human.
Concentrate on supporting your child and let the class - and your kid - bed in before adding to the stress.

The teacher asked the children to come to her and tell her when they see a parent. This is what the other children did. Only OPs son was shouted at when he did it.

You have done nothing wrong OP.
Your child should have the book. Continue to message the teacher until you get it. It is part of her job to do this.
Also she definitely should not have shouted at him for no reason. That could really affect the confidence of a shy child who plucked up the courage to speak to their teacher. I am shocked to hear how she reacted.

Imagine there were 5 people eating food in a restaurant. The waiter took their orders but only brought food for 4 of the people. The 5th person asked politely about their food but the waiter started shouting at the person. Is this acceptable? No. The waiter might be busy but he still needs to bring everybody's food and be polite. That's their job.
It's the same for teachers. They have to do their jobs and be respectful to parents and children.

Never let anybody make you feel you are being a nuisance advocating for your child.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/articles/z863cxs
It's actually quite common, if you read above. Hopefully he's just tired.