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To not be happy with new teacher so far because of this

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Chilli89 · 12/09/2024 15:42

  1. I messaged her about something and she said she would sort it a few days ago and that someone would be in touch the next day and I’ve heard nothing
  2. We were told reading books had come home and I messaged the same day saying my D son hadn’t got his and they still haven’t supplied one for him
  3. they were in the line at drop off. he wanted help so approached her. She shouted at me ‘don’t shout at me, I won’t talk at you if you shout at me’ in a really angry face. She didn’t know I was stood there, he did not shout, I heard the whole thing

aibu to not be happy so far?

my d son has only just turned 5. In Y1

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icallshade · 12/09/2024 16:47

Hi OP,

I'm a teacher and while I always say to parents that they may communicate with me with issues, a book is genuinely quite low down on my priority list. Whilst it may be your biggest priority, please remember there are other children with potential safeguarding issues etc which take up a lot of time. Just try to see things from the perspective of the teacher, imagine getting 30+ messages every day from parents, with the only time to respond to them being outside of their working hours- as with any job- you prioritise. Maybe give him a slip to hand to her during school hours.
The very worst case scenario is that your son will be given a new book next week when you say the deadline is for the one he hasn't been issued. It happens.

With regards to shouting, nobody can comment whether this was a genuine shout, a stern tone or a raised voice, or whether it was addressed to your son, a group etc. Given the circumstances (a busy pick up with 5 year olds during the first week) I'd probably let this go.

Rubyandscarlett · 12/09/2024 16:46

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You couldn't pay me enough to do it!

Chilli89 · 12/09/2024 16:46

wafflesmgee · 12/09/2024 16:39

But you don't know what happened that day do you? He could have interrupted her 60 times and disrupted the whole class. Were you late to pick up if it was just him? Maybe focus in being kn time rather than criticising the teacher.

In terms of complaining to school, what do you hope to gain? Approach it in terms of doing what is best for your child. Being a difficult, complaining parent doesn't help your child. Save the complaining for when something actually bad happens.

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I havent said I’m going to complain to the school. Just looking for opinions

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Chilli89 · 12/09/2024 16:45

wafflesmgee · 12/09/2024 16:39

But you don't know what happened that day do you? He could have interrupted her 60 times and disrupted the whole class. Were you late to pick up if it was just him? Maybe focus in being kn time rather than criticising the teacher.

In terms of complaining to school, what do you hope to gain? Approach it in terms of doing what is best for your child. Being a difficult, complaining parent doesn't help your child. Save the complaining for when something actually bad happens.

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It wasn’t just him today when she shouted. The other day, I waited for everyone to leave before approaching her about his struggling

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wafflesmgee · 12/09/2024 16:44

Petitchat · 12/09/2024 16:41

Give her a chance for shouting and upsetting OP's DS?

Okkkaaay.....

Her job is to TEACH. Some days will be good, some days will be bad, and new routines/learning always feel hard/uncomfortable. You know you can't protect a child from feeling upset sometimes, right?! And that learning to navigate these feelings is an important step of childhood?
It's sad he was upset, it's not ideal the teacher shouted, but this is not "unacceptable" its just life.

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Chilli89 · 12/09/2024 16:36

Also, I’ve posted on here for opinions. I haven’t complained to the school or to his teacher. I’ve been polite in my message about the book. Informed her in person about his struggling just to make her aware, incase of any upset at school. This is when all the other children had been dismissed so she wasn’t in the middle of anything

That is what you should have done! What is the point of posting here ?
You said you messaged her during school hours? When will she have time to sit and look at and reply to messages during school time?
Your child WILL get told to do things he may not like during his education and get upset - that's life.

mondaytosunday · 12/09/2024 16:43

One of my big regrets was not pulling up a school worker (she wasn't a teacher but worked with the kids) who said something about my son which I later found out was untrue and that she had humiliated him in front of others. While I only found this out afterwards (when he burst into huge sobs in the car - so unlike him) I so so wish I had gone in the next day and complained to the head. Never ever let a teacher do this to a child - shouting at him for no reason is inexcusable- I don't care what her workload is. If she can't control herself she shouldn't be working with children.

wafflesmgee · 12/09/2024 16:42

Ultimately if it's unacceptable to you, do you want her fired or do you want to move your son to a different school?
Because there is a retention crisis in teaching, so she won't get fired. Give her a chance. Are you honestly saying you've NEVER shouted at your son?

Petitchat · 12/09/2024 16:41

Ablondiebutagoody · 12/09/2024 16:30

I get that but she will also be recieving messages about kids who are anxious, missing coats/jumpers/waterbottles, little Barry not eating his lunch, problems at drop off/pick up etc. etc. etc. It will take a while to get a class of 30 kids running smoothly. Give her a chance!

Give her a chance for shouting and upsetting OP's DS?

Okkkaaay.....

wafflesmgee · 12/09/2024 16:39

But you don't know what happened that day do you? He could have interrupted her 60 times and disrupted the whole class. Were you late to pick up if it was just him? Maybe focus in being kn time rather than criticising the teacher.

In terms of complaining to school, what do you hope to gain? Approach it in terms of doing what is best for your child. Being a difficult, complaining parent doesn't help your child. Save the complaining for when something actually bad happens.

scotstars · 12/09/2024 16:38

I previously had a class of 30 and the volume of messages became so unmanageable the school blocked the function for parents to message. It's hard when little kids are settling but other parents will also have sent messages amd tracher eill have to prioritise which are most urgent. No reading book is not urgent. I would wait until next week to contact again if no reading book comes home and chase the other issue at same time.
While I'm not saying the teacher didn't shout I've never seen a teacher shout at a year 1 class particularly in ear shot of parents. Are you sure she didn't just speak to him in a strict or more abrupt tone than you would use? Also if all 30 kids decide to leave line and ask teacher things pick up would descend into chaos teachers need to be firm especially at this time of year when rules and routines are being established

hideawayforever · 12/09/2024 16:38

totally unacceptable, feel so sorry for your son.

Chilli89 · 12/09/2024 16:37

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It was more than a raised voice, frustrated expression and arms waving about in stress. He looked like he was going to burst into tears

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Chilli89 · 12/09/2024 16:36

Also, I’ve posted on here for opinions. I haven’t complained to the school or to his teacher. I’ve been polite in my message about the book. Informed her in person about his struggling just to make her aware, incase of any upset at school. This is when all the other children had been dismissed so she wasn’t in the middle of anything

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wafflesmgee · 12/09/2024 16:35

From her perspective at pick up time she has a line of 30 children she has to correctly handover to their trusted adults. Assuming each child has at least 2 different pick up scenarios (1x parent 1x childminder/parent/grandparent) that's 60 faces she is having to match to 30 children. She may also have protection orders for some children with ex-husbands who are UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES allowed to pick up their child.
It's a very stressful time of day at the start when a teacher is learning who is who and important to get right.

On other days, other children in the line may have shouted at her/patted her back rather than waiting their turn, which is a routine she will be drilling into them and understandably takes time for children to get. She was probably feeling very frazzled and said it in general to the class rather than your son specifically, because she can't process 30 faces with 30 children and be talked at by children at the same time.

Obviously shouting is not ideal but think carefully before complaining. She will be doing her best and end of day routines are to keep everyone safe.

Petitchat · 12/09/2024 16:35

MrMucker · 12/09/2024 16:28

  1. Cut her some slack, your child is probably about 0.5% of her total responsibilities
  2. Cut her some slack on the book, you'll get one eventually, and in the meantime don't you have other reading books for him anyway, making this a non-issue? And if not, can't you get any?
  3. If you're in line for anything, no, you're not supposed to be approaching the teacher for anything. You child stepped out of the line and it annoyed the teacher. If she shouted and he didn't like it, then tell him not to get out of the line. He needs to learn to wait the same as everyone else.

And 4. Spend some time explaining these things to your anxious child rather than pressurising the already overstretched school staff. How is he supposed to get the skills of confidence and patience if you don't model it to him?

Stop. Complaining. About. Schools.

Teachers.Shouldn't. Be.Shouting. At. Small. Children.
Damaging. Unnecessary. Inappropriate.

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hideawayforever · 12/09/2024 16:33

I wouldn't be happy with this at all, if someone shouted at an adult in work like this it would be unacceptable.
I would definitely have a word with her about it. that's so wrong....poor kid.

Chilli89 · 12/09/2024 16:33

MrMucker · 12/09/2024 16:28

  1. Cut her some slack, your child is probably about 0.5% of her total responsibilities
  2. Cut her some slack on the book, you'll get one eventually, and in the meantime don't you have other reading books for him anyway, making this a non-issue? And if not, can't you get any?
  3. If you're in line for anything, no, you're not supposed to be approaching the teacher for anything. You child stepped out of the line and it annoyed the teacher. If she shouted and he didn't like it, then tell him not to get out of the line. He needs to learn to wait the same as everyone else.

And 4. Spend some time explaining these things to your anxious child rather than pressurising the already overstretched school staff. How is he supposed to get the skills of confidence and patience if you don't model it to him?

Stop. Complaining. About. Schools.

  1. I agree but I was given a time frame and haven’t heard anything
  2. Yes, lots of books at home but she has said the school book is to read this week and returned, to talk about at school. I was just making her aware
  3. Other children were stepping out of line to say they saw their mum, she was ok with that. As soon as my son approached she got annoyed.

she told me a couple of days ago, when I said he was struggling, that’s he no bother at school. So it’s not that he’s misbehaving

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Odearr · 12/09/2024 16:33

If a teacher can't deal with 30 5 year olds acting like 5 year olds without being frazzled/shouting/annoyed then maybe they shouldn't be a teacher of small children.
it takes a certain temperament to cope with that many small children and it's not for everyone. But 5 year olds are very young and shouldn't be shouted at for minor things like that

whatsappdoc · 12/09/2024 16:32

Well the shouting at him seems over the top. Did he say what happened beforehand? Eg had he kept asking the same thing over and over? Not an excuse but maybe she was exasperated. I would have tried to sort it out there and then I think. Leave the reading book thing for a week, there's no rush, she's probably busy sorting it all out and just hasn't updated you. Try and keep the messaging to important things.

Ablondiebutagoody · 12/09/2024 16:30

Chilli89 · 12/09/2024 16:21

She put a thing out saying any concerns please message me. I only messaged because she’d said books had gone out and that it’s important we read them at home and return them next week. So I was trying to make her aware. It was two days ago, says message was read but no book still

I get that but she will also be recieving messages about kids who are anxious, missing coats/jumpers/waterbottles, little Barry not eating his lunch, problems at drop off/pick up etc. etc. etc. It will take a while to get a class of 30 kids running smoothly. Give her a chance!

Chilli89 · 12/09/2024 16:30

LeaveTheFlerken · 12/09/2024 16:27

It's possible she's totally unreasonable and shouted unfairly. It's also possible that she was frazzled at the end of a day and a barrage of questions and interruptions from children who weren't following rules about putting their hands up and sitting properly on the carpet etc which meant she couldn't get through the stuff she needed to say / do properly. It's also possible she raised her voice a bit louder than you'd like but that doesn't mean she shouted. The book not coming home isn't a major problem. Give it a few days more for everyone settle down and if things still aren't as they should be or you have any further concerns, talk to her at pick up / drop off.

It was definitely a shout and she had her hands and arms waving around and everything, all stressed. Understand it’s the end of the day but he didn’t shout at her and he looked really upset after

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MrMucker · 12/09/2024 16:28
  1. Cut her some slack, your child is probably about 0.5% of her total responsibilities
  2. Cut her some slack on the book, you'll get one eventually, and in the meantime don't you have other reading books for him anyway, making this a non-issue? And if not, can't you get any?
  3. If you're in line for anything, no, you're not supposed to be approaching the teacher for anything. You child stepped out of the line and it annoyed the teacher. If she shouted and he didn't like it, then tell him not to get out of the line. He needs to learn to wait the same as everyone else.

And 4. Spend some time explaining these things to your anxious child rather than pressurising the already overstretched school staff. How is he supposed to get the skills of confidence and patience if you don't model it to him?

Stop. Complaining. About. Schools.