Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Children wearing tails?

389 replies

ShepherdMoons · 12/09/2024 12:44

Dd's friend at drama club has recently started wearing a tail.She sometimes wears ears.It looks quite cute but I also find it a bit odd (they are 11).Dd hasn't asked to wear a tail (yet) but wondering if this might be her next question.I appreciate there's a bit of a trend for this at the moment and seems relatively harmless but I do find it odd.AIBU?

OP posts:
Thread gallery
8
MrsOvertonsWindow · 13/09/2024 08:13

KateDelRick · 13/09/2024 07:30

@MrsOvertonsWindow - I do not know of any secondary school where this would be allowed. Action would be taken in the first instance. There would be no referral to "councillors" (sic), but robust measures put in place, involving parents and possible referral to outside agencies.

I understand. I've also taught for much of my working life. Sadly there are a number of parents on this thread attesting to their own daughters doing this (at secondary level) along with parents with children having to put up with kids in their schools displaying this age inappropriate behaviour.

I'm certain this is a minority of schools and that where it's happening it's a toxic combination of parents scared to say no to their children and a school seeing this as part of their "being kind and accept everything" perspective with all the adults being unwilling to take the firm "No, inappropriate for school. Restrict this to drama and outside school".

I really wish this was an urban myth but sadly there's too much evidence that it is happening in a minority of schools. Teenagers deserve much better "boundary enforcement" from the adults around them.

SallyWD · 13/09/2024 07:54

I saw a grown woman wearing a tail last week. Not fancy dress, just shorts and a tail whilst doing her shopping in Sainsbury's. Didn't like it at all. It made me look at her arse!

Sinisterdexter · 13/09/2024 07:31

So George Galloway was ahead of the trend.

The world has gone mad.

KateDelRick · 13/09/2024 07:30

@MrsOvertonsWindow - I do not know of any secondary school where this would be allowed. Action would be taken in the first instance. There would be no referral to "councillors" (sic), but robust measures put in place, involving parents and possible referral to outside agencies.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 13/09/2024 07:25

notacooldad · 12/09/2024 23:40

Agreed. Not misinformation. There's one as my ds secondary school too. Identifies as a cat, disrupting lessons meowing on all fours. I wish I was joking.

They've surely been suspended for persistently disruptive behaviour? That cannot be allowed in any school.

I wish I could say the kids I deal with had been suspended but no! Is all about their 'mental health ' and fear of discrimination that allow these kids to contine and their spineless parents just shugging their shoulders and say ' well what can you do?'
Personally I have loads of ideas about what they could do but professional boundaries means my mouth stays shut at CIN meetings otherwise I would be disciplined for not supporting 'the voice of the child," and their ' wishes and feelings' that ride over any parental concern (allegedly)

I'm sick of this bullshit if in case you can't tell!

So professionals sit in a Child in Need (safeguarding) related meeting say of a 13 year old . And if said teenage girl is dressing and performing as a cat and displaying age inappropriate behaviour in a secondary school, nobody addresses this? No exploring the likelihood relating to her peers / adults in school in role as a teenage girl might go some way to improve her social isolation / anxiety /peer problems /bullying / inappropriate adult /child relationships etc?

And these discussions aren't being had in professional meetings about a child with problems because professionals worry they'd be charged with "ignoring the voice of the child"?

It does go some way to explain why in certain schools there are unbelievably issues about this but fgs, surely it must be possible to explore why a teenager is stuck role playing behaviour that is more suited to a primary child?

Not meaning to be critical but it's hard to see the professionals behaviour in ignoring this as professional neglect ?

Fivebyfive2 · 13/09/2024 06:59

My son is only 5 so I don't know much about what the "things" are for tweens on the whole, but I do see a few kids about 10-13 (maybe) around town and at the park wearing tails or ears etc. Usually just one or two in a group of half a dozen, the rest who aren't wearing them.

I'm guessing it's probably a very mixed bag. You'll get kids who just wear a tail at weekends because they think it's funny or cute or whatever, then you'll get others wanting to do it at school and taking it further. Some might do it out of a genuine feeling that it makes them feel more comfortable, which yes is a bit weird but I'm not gonna judge, kids are weird sometimes. Others will be doing it for a reaction, a way to push the envelope. Either way that's in the realm of normal kid stuff, but shouldn't be allowed to disrupt lessons etc.

As for the fetish thing... It's a very rocky ground I think. Because I'm sure most of these kids will be doing it innocently, even ones wanting a reaction, it won't be a fetish/sexual thing, it'll be a "look how different I am" thing...

BUT there are definitely communities of adults who are into the furry scene on a whole other level and parents really need to ensure they're being vigilant here. If they're going online to chat to people about it or research costume ideas and all of that, there's a real chance of them falling on something they shouldn't or getting sucked in to something very toxic. Especially if they're using the furry identity to feel more secure because in "real life" they are struggling. It makes them very vulnerable and sadly there are those out there who would prey on that.

BodyKeepingScore · 13/09/2024 06:58

FooFighter99 · 12/09/2024 12:52

My DD12 (year8) wears a tail, ears and she has paws too (she wants a full fur-suit, but they're expensive!). She classes herself as a Furry/Therian - there's a whole community of them at school and online that she hangs out with

Yes it is a bit odd, but there's absolutely no harm in it

You don't think there's any harm that your child is aware of, and also role playing an adult sexual fetish? How did she even become aware of it?

ThePrologue · 13/09/2024 06:48

DiscoBeat · 12/09/2024 14:06

Children enjoy dressing up, I don't think it's weird!

There's a difference between dressing up for a couple of hourse, but identifying as a cat/dragon/aardvark is not normal. It's bad enough that the world is full of kids wearing else costumes all day.
Nothing is a 'treat' anymore. It's pampering to every whim

elderflowerspritzer · 13/09/2024 06:42

Goldenbear · 12/09/2024 18:27

Do most kids at 11 or 12 like to dress up as animals; most of them will be heading to secondary school, I can't imagine anybody I know and have known that age who would think this is anything other than highly embarrassing- and I have teenagers and we live in a very liberal city, where if this was a regular thing mg DD would have told me! My DD is 13 and likes Brandy Melville and vinted which I think is far more age appropriate! When my DC were little thy loved dressing up but this was up to about 7 or 8 accept on Halloween.

It doesn't matter if you only know kids who would find it embarrassing, or if you personally find it appropriate.

That doesn't mean it's linked to furries or anything sexual or worrying.

It's an 11 year old kid wearing cat ears at drama club. What do you think it means?

ThePrologue · 13/09/2024 06:40

FragileWookiee · 12/09/2024 13:06

Yep, there's a "cat" at the secondary school I work at. Wears a tail and ears. Other children get into trouble for not being in correct uniforms, while a young girl apparently believes she is a cat and is allowed to continue this behaviour at school. World's gone mad.

Wtf?
40 years ago, she'd be seeing a psychiatrist, just as those adults who identified as Jesus did
Anyone who encourages this shit in kids is enabling future problems

elderflowerspritzer · 13/09/2024 06:40

Locutus2000 · 12/09/2024 17:02

I've never heard this, nor can I find any source for it.

In the whole the anime community is a friendly and kind space, free from the bullying found elsewhere. A lot of ASD folk find it enjoyable.

To baselessly suggest it has some connection to grooming is really quite offensive.

That said there are many anthropomorphic animal characters in anime and catgirls are especially popular.

I'm agreeing with you. I was answering the other poster's question and am saying that it's only linked in that it's a thing that children like, in the same way as lollipops. There is nothing offensive about it.

ThePrologue · 13/09/2024 06:37

FooFighter99 · 12/09/2024 12:52

My DD12 (year8) wears a tail, ears and she has paws too (she wants a full fur-suit, but they're expensive!). She classes herself as a Furry/Therian - there's a whole community of them at school and online that she hangs out with

Yes it is a bit odd, but there's absolutely no harm in it

???

TempestTost · 13/09/2024 02:29

Ithink people are getting a bit mixed up.

Sure, some little;e kids have always played at being animals, they come up with it themselves. Or characters from cartoons like Lion King.

The therian thing though seems to come right from the adult scene which is very much about some of the alternate identities, and is also very often tied up in alternate sexual identities. It is desperate to legitimize itself by drawing in young people.

There is also some relation to certain kinds of anime which seems to be filled with creepy men - this is largely I expect related to some of the really nasty school girl sexual fetishes found within some anime.

And honestly, the who comic con culture and cosplay culture seems to be rife with a lot of it. Not that everyone is into it, but I think there is some very unhealthy alternate identity activity going on with a lot of people at these events now.

I was big into RPGs when I was young and loved the old school comic cons, but I find they've become a little worrying, There were always plenty of nerdy guys (mostly nerdy guys) but now so many seems to be drawn into some very odd directions. I suppose it's the internet.

WeirdyWorldy · 13/09/2024 01:42

Pyjamatimenow · 12/09/2024 16:00

The naivety on this thread is so bloody worrying

This is exactly what I was going to post.

Just because they have never heard of it, it doesn't exist. It's an urban myth!!

Some really poor parenting going on here.

YankSplaining · 13/09/2024 00:45

Sunshineandpool · 12/09/2024 16:19

Can you explain more about anime please? My DC enjoy studio Ghibli films - I wasn't aware of a link with grooming?

There’s no link between Studio Ghibli films and grooming. (Unless you want to count the little girls in “My Neighbor Totoro” taking a bath with their dad, but from what I understand, that was normal in that era in Japan because it took a long time for people in rural areas to heat water.) Anime is animation from Japan, not a type of genre or subject matter.

glittercunt · 13/09/2024 00:13

It hasn't 'now' become a thing originally from adult fetishes.

30 odd years ago kids were into this stuff and many of them are now adults into this stuff. Most have no fetish connection with it.

How do I know? Been there, seen it, taken part in some of it as a teen, still know lots of adults who were kids at the time etc.

It actually is entirely harmless. Discouraging kids from being allowed to dress with ears and a tail when they're expressing themselves and enjoying something harmless is ridiculous.

The only thing which needs watching is if they end up on the kind of social media they shouldn't have access to in the first place, where they might join groups for the minority of adults who do take it further go.

It's no different to how many of us love to dress up or cosplay for fun and because we are into fandoms or enjoy making the outfits, but you'll always get people who like to dress as medical staff, candystripers and school girls etc for sexual role play.

I mean, have you ever heard of sploshing? Go have a Google. You all going to ban cakes and sweets and midnight feasts at kids slumber parties? Of course not.

Josephine86 · 13/09/2024 00:07

Sorry to derail but does this have anything to do with the fact that I saw a young women in her early twenties stroking her pet, erm, stuffed cat in its pushchair the other day? She was on the bus in front of me, talking to a friend. I know it’s impossible to tell but she seemed of sound mind.

notacooldad · 12/09/2024 23:59

@stonedaisy
I don't think any pre teens are going to 'do it to you' you're quite safe
I agree, it's just the annoying ones that I get through my job that insist on meowing at me!

I really can't be arsed with it and as I said in an earlier post it soon stops when they realise they are going to miss out ( i'm sorry ( young person) cats aren't allowed in the cinema, ,you are going to have to stay behind tonight)

Amybelle88 · 12/09/2024 23:58

Flat out no. Sorry.

stonedaisy · 12/09/2024 23:49

notacooldad · 12/09/2024 23:43

My friends daughter is into this.. there's also a thing called quading i think where you run about on your hands and feet (at a park or a beach for example)
I think it's maybe about getting into the mindset of being an animal. Kids that just live for animals tend to be interested in the trend. Thats my interpretation anyway pretty harmless if a little immature*
If any one quading to me while I sat on a bench I certainly would not be happy ,impressed or amused.

I don't think any pre teens are going to 'do it to you' you're quite safe

notacooldad · 12/09/2024 23:43

My friends daughter is into this.. there's also a thing called quading i think where you run about on your hands and feet (at a park or a beach for example)
I think it's maybe about getting into the mindset of being an animal. Kids that just live for animals tend to be interested in the trend. Thats my interpretation anyway pretty harmless if a little immature*
If any one quading to me while I sat on a bench I certainly would not be happy ,impressed or amused.

notacooldad · 12/09/2024 23:40

Agreed. Not misinformation. There's one as my ds secondary school too. Identifies as a cat, disrupting lessons meowing on all fours. I wish I was joking.

They've surely been suspended for persistently disruptive behaviour? That cannot be allowed in any school.

I wish I could say the kids I deal with had been suspended but no! Is all about their 'mental health ' and fear of discrimination that allow these kids to contine and their spineless parents just shugging their shoulders and say ' well what can you do?'
Personally I have loads of ideas about what they could do but professional boundaries means my mouth stays shut at CIN meetings otherwise I would be disciplined for not supporting 'the voice of the child," and their ' wishes and feelings' that ride over any parental concern (allegedly)

I'm sick of this bullshit if in case you can't tell!

Completelyneutralname · 12/09/2024 23:35

TheaBrandt · 12/09/2024 23:25

Because there are no teen issues whatsoever in the country side ?!

Huh? I didn’t say that. We certainly don’t have mistresses leading adults dressed as dogs with children patting them! I do think it must be hard for people in the LBGTQ community here though as very little in terms of Pride type activity. I never see gay couples walking hand in hand or kissing, and it’s a very non diverse area. Very white. A bit behind the times. It will hopefully change but for now I’ll be pleased I’m not faced with men pretending to be dogs in public!

stonedaisy · 12/09/2024 23:30

My friends daughter is into this.. there's also a thing called quading i think where you run about on your hands and feet (at a park or a beach for example)
I think it's maybe about getting into the mindset of being an animal. Kids that just live for animals tend to be interested in the trend. Thats my interpretation anyway pretty harmless if a little immature

TheaBrandt · 12/09/2024 23:25

Because there are no teen issues whatsoever in the country side ?!