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Why are so many people nasty to each other on here

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CamFoz · 11/09/2024 22:59

Honestly, I have never been on a forum where people say such nasty things to each other. Fair enough, I haven't been on many forums, but users on MN will write a whole paragraph trashing each other. The judgemental attitudes on here are atrocious, most of the time over quite menial things. Do people really have that much time on their hands for this?

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hollyhockfield · 12/09/2024 12:03

There is another thread going at the moment where one poster responded very aggressively to another. The original poster’s post didn’t seem that unreasonable to warrant such a response. But later, the second poster explained why what the first poster had said was so offensive, and then I could understand why she was so angry. But if you just respond with anger and snark with no explanation then it seems like it comes from nowhere.

PandaWorld · 12/09/2024 12:01

I agree with you. I have been in tears over some of the responses I have had.
This part of the forum is the worst for it. Nasty, don't know how some sleep of a night. Like a nest of vipers at times.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 12/09/2024 11:58

Sorry should say I started my first thread, not you, @unlikelywitch ! Coz that would be weird Grin

rainfallpurevividcat · 12/09/2024 11:58

There are a lot of users on AIBU and Chat and I think some people just sign up to give the poster a good telling off. People love to spout off online in a way that they would not be brave or foolish enough to in real life.

Most of the other boards are kinder and more pleasant in general.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 12/09/2024 11:54

unlikelywitch · 12/09/2024 09:04

I think it depends which part of mumsnet you find yourself on (you’d need to have thick skin to start a thread on AIBU) but generally speaking, I really like it <shrugs>

Not long after finding MN you started my first thread on AIBU and boy, did I very quickly notice how different the vibe on that board was Grin I certainly got plenty of robust replies, some absolute warm and cuddly ones and also a good few posters who seemed to relish putting the boot in!

But that's life

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 12/09/2024 11:51

I think there is a degree of in some people, a massive lack of resilience that makes them see criticism, challenge and strong opinions with no sugar coating = hate.

It's not healthy to jump to that conclusion as quickly as some people tend to.

#bekind doesn't always serve us well.

FMGOTW · 12/09/2024 11:15

Cue for another thread that will play out as exactly that.

Calliopespa · 12/09/2024 11:09

Silkinside · 12/09/2024 10:52

I think there are a lot of very unhappy people on here, and that is why they are so unpleasant.

There is also a culture that it is somehow a positive thing to be an arsehole, which I don't quite understand. Healthy robust debate is not the same as being an utter wanker to someone, but many here seem to try to hide their sheer nastiness under a guide of ' robustness and throwing off the patriarchy that tells them to be kind.'

They are also some utterly wonderful, wise, attuned compassionate women on here who are enormously helpful.

You just need to learn how to zone out the unhappy snarky ones and the natural bullies, and concentrate on the decent ones.

I think this post hits the nail on the head.

Robust debate is really important and expressing views is fine and should be encouraged. The forum becomes a bit pointless without it. I guess at times that might come across as self/righteous or condescending if the view is something people find challenging.

But there is a big difference between expressing “ hard” views respectfully and descending to insult: “ If that’s your parenting view your Dc must be laughing stock” etc. These are usually the approaches that come out when they don’t like the views but are at a loss to deal with it rationally. Similarly the name-calling falls in a similar camp - usually with an “ ist” on the end, especially misogynist. And is the world really as full as narcissists as this forum would have us believe?!

onwardsup4 · 12/09/2024 11:09

MyKidsAreTooNoisy · 11/09/2024 23:24

People are generally only mean when the poster is irritatingly stupid or lacking self-awareness.

This is so untrue.

WanOvaryKenobi · 12/09/2024 11:08

Assuming anyone who disagrees with you is jealous is the most primary school aged bullshit I have heard in a while. I am genuinely baffled at people who come on a forum looking for advice from a wide range of people who then get offended when they hear a different opinion. It tells me you can't meet very many people outside of whatever bubble you are in.

If you want blind support stick to your WhatsApp groups with your mates.

WanOvaryKenobi · 12/09/2024 11:04

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 12/09/2024 10:50

I think the point pp was making was less that the cleaner wasn't professional at her job and more that job title doesn't necessarily equate to the best conversationalist or all round wise person.
I used to work in research at a top University and some of the most interesting conversations I had were not with those in my line of work (researchers, post-docs, PhD students, professors) but with the ancillary staff - I think the point is really that don't necessarily judge someone on their (perceived) job/education/position of authority.

I can agree with that. I also love my cleaner as she does stuff that I cannot in a timeframe I could never.

Silkinside · 12/09/2024 11:03

Abbylikeswine · 12/09/2024 09:23

Yes but they don't ban the user from the thread.

A lot of other forums use "thread bans" which works well.

It stops the poster from posting in that particular thread again

I wouldn't support that. Posters get posts deleted for trivial things or for using a word they did not realise was banned. Maybe a three strikes and you are out would be better.

TheRealHousewife · 12/09/2024 10:55

CamFoz · 11/09/2024 22:59

Honestly, I have never been on a forum where people say such nasty things to each other. Fair enough, I haven't been on many forums, but users on MN will write a whole paragraph trashing each other. The judgemental attitudes on here are atrocious, most of the time over quite menial things. Do people really have that much time on their hands for this?

Unhappy, resentful & jealous people look for scapegoats be it in real life or anonymously via on-line forums. Some people need to transfer their bile onto others in order to feel better about themselves. MN (some parts), unfortunately can be a sad reflection of real life.

It actually reminds me of a village I know in real life; a real vipers nest with some very unpleasant people.

spaceshooter · 12/09/2024 10:52

The best bit is when someone dares admit they find some women different to maintain friendships with and find men easier to be around and then a bunch of women pounce on and prove the op complete right.

Silkinside · 12/09/2024 10:52

I think there are a lot of very unhappy people on here, and that is why they are so unpleasant.

There is also a culture that it is somehow a positive thing to be an arsehole, which I don't quite understand. Healthy robust debate is not the same as being an utter wanker to someone, but many here seem to try to hide their sheer nastiness under a guide of ' robustness and throwing off the patriarchy that tells them to be kind.'

They are also some utterly wonderful, wise, attuned compassionate women on here who are enormously helpful.

You just need to learn how to zone out the unhappy snarky ones and the natural bullies, and concentrate on the decent ones.

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 12/09/2024 10:52

CamFoz · 12/09/2024 10:47

I see what you're saying here, I have seen some useful advice, that of course can sometimes be hard to hear. But often the advice is guided by assumptions about the OP, rather than lead by trying to understand the situation more, in a respectful manner.

I definitely agree with one of the posters above. There is a self-righteous, condescending tone adopted by many on here. Which isn't really necessary. This is the people I'm referring to.

People often label others self-righteous, when the others are saying things they don't want to hear or would struggle admitting to.
For example, people call me self righteous when I tell them I cannot lie - the bottom line is I don't do it to be righteous in any way, something in me will just not let me lie and it actually is a pain in the a**e at times! My advice to folk never includes me lying or giving advice that would involve them lying. Some folk don't like that idea.

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 12/09/2024 10:50

WanOvaryKenobi · 12/09/2024 10:46

A professional cleaner has a profession. It's a skill that people get paid for. Not really sure the point you are trying to make.

I think the point pp was making was less that the cleaner wasn't professional at her job and more that job title doesn't necessarily equate to the best conversationalist or all round wise person.
I used to work in research at a top University and some of the most interesting conversations I had were not with those in my line of work (researchers, post-docs, PhD students, professors) but with the ancillary staff - I think the point is really that don't necessarily judge someone on their (perceived) job/education/position of authority.

CamFoz · 12/09/2024 10:49

CountingCrones · 12/09/2024 10:30

I think maybe the word you meant was Trivial. Menial doesn’t make any sense in that context.

Haha yes. You're right I mean't trivial. Thanks!

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CamFoz · 12/09/2024 10:47

SeaGlasses · 12/09/2024 09:46

But why else would you disagree with someone? Because they’re wrong, because their position is based on misunderstanding something, because the bias of their sources is showing, because they went to a Trump rally and didn’t fact check, because they stopped their children using toothpaste after their father phoned about something he read on the internet, because TikTok said so? These are all things that can be pointed out.

Or posters put another point of view, eg responding to the numerous threads that say ‘My friends never invite to anything even though I do everything for them!’ not by saying ‘There, there, your friends are CFs and you’re lovely’ but by saying that people-pleasers are never going to buy friendships by trading them for services. It’s not what the OP wants to hear, but it’s way more useful than the ‘There, there, lovely’ replies.

I see what you're saying here, I have seen some useful advice, that of course can sometimes be hard to hear. But often the advice is guided by assumptions about the OP, rather than lead by trying to understand the situation more, in a respectful manner.

I definitely agree with one of the posters above. There is a self-righteous, condescending tone adopted by many on here. Which isn't really necessary. This is the people I'm referring to.

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WanOvaryKenobi · 12/09/2024 10:46

Josephine86 · 12/09/2024 10:42

Interesting you’ve listed professionals as having something useful to contribute.

Honestly, one of the most interesting and perceptive people I know is the woman who cleans my office. She may not be able to offer domain-specific expertise like some of those you’ve mentioned, but I think she’d soon become a very popular Mumsnet user for her advice, wisdom and just her generosity of spirit. Oh, and her razor-sharp ability to read a person and assess a situation.

A professional cleaner has a profession. It's a skill that people get paid for. Not really sure the point you are trying to make.

Bellatrixpure · 12/09/2024 10:43

Because in lieu of having any actual hobbies, employment or friends they do this full time

Pathetic losers

Josephine86 · 12/09/2024 10:42

WanOvaryKenobi · 12/09/2024 09:41

The quality of the average poster, and therefore the quality of the average post, has also declined massively. I'm not too sure when this happened but it feels like it has been in the last 5 years.

I remember when threads were regularly filled with professionals, academics, doctors, lawyers, civil servants and the like. It meant threads were interesting and useful, there was always something to learn. Debate was encouraged and robust. Posters had a lot of practical and academic knowledge about topics.

Now it's just full of "u do u hunz xxx". Often the advice here is objectively terrible like "just have a baby if you want one even though you are 20 and you and your boyfriend are unemployed". No. That's a really stupid thing to do and just means yet another state dependant family while we work on our careers. It's frustrating and cuts at the heart of the frustration. There are a lot of people who make bad life decisions and expect handouts and mollycoddling.

They won't get the mollycoddling or handouts here. We are tired.

Interesting you’ve listed professionals as having something useful to contribute.

Honestly, one of the most interesting and perceptive people I know is the woman who cleans my office. She may not be able to offer domain-specific expertise like some of those you’ve mentioned, but I think she’d soon become a very popular Mumsnet user for her advice, wisdom and just her generosity of spirit. Oh, and her razor-sharp ability to read a person and assess a situation.

CamFoz · 12/09/2024 10:41

Dogdaysareoverihope · 12/09/2024 09:26

I think certain subjects really set people off…

wedding etiquette
abusive partners ( LTB)
class
boarding schools

ive seen really reasonable sounding posters getting monstered because of a genuinely difficult dilemma.

but There’s always some supportive people and great advice within that mix.
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also - people can’t judge the tone of voice, so I’ve seen people get really angry at comments I’ve thought were mild. That often starts a spiral of anger.

you’ve also got people from very different backgrounds bumping up against each other. Often we only speak to people like us. I think that is also mumsnet’s value- but it has a down side.

and people automatically take the side of the person who reflects their experience ( the OW/ wronged wife/ step mum). Even if it’s actually a different set of circumstances

I definitely agree

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PfishFood · 12/09/2024 10:41

OriginalUsername2 · 11/09/2024 23:25

It seems extra bitchy the last few weeks. I’ve been calling it Miserable Mumsnet. I feel like I’m visiting a hall full of women arguing just to hang out with the 5% that are on my wavelength.

I agree. It's like someone on Tattle Life has started a planned infiltration of MN!

A lot of it is pure nastiness for nastiness' sake and a lot of it is pure jealousy and bitterness.

If someone has something nice to celebrate, instead of thinking "ah, how lovely" it descends into the type of behaviour the bitchiest girls at school would have been proud of.

Thankfully the majority of people on the threads shoot them down, but it still brings back memories of those bullying, bitchy cliques from school that are never happy unless everyone around them is miserable. What a joy life must be!

Calliopespa · 12/09/2024 10:41

Josephine86 · 12/09/2024 10:17

I just assume they were bullies in school, or just horrible people, or people who don’t have much joy in their lives so get their kicks out of coming on here to argue.

I have noticed the same usernames, often bring rude,appear on threads about things like SAHMs or obesity and here I think they might have a slight obsession. Probably projection of some kind for some.

Sahms are obesity are the two topics that get the most bashing imo too. Really hits some nerves.

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