To not understand the obsession with ‘doodle’ breeds

You're probably right and that in itself is a worry. Pyreneans are one of the heaviest shedders in the dog world and very far from being hypoallergenic. Marketing them as a low shedding cross would be totally misleading and lead to even more being dumped in rescue when the first heavy moult occurs.

Just to add, I've been asked if my poodle/retriever cross is an old English sheepdog (bit odd as she's red) and a Leonberger before 😂 Mostly they ask if she's a Highland cow though! I think people see big dogs and just name one of the few large breed dogs they've heard of. Interestingly, most are surprised to hear she's mostly poodle!

What makes me laugh about poodle crosses (and each to their own I guess) is that it’s seen as this new and original idea! Where as Lurchers are the original ‘cross breed’ and far superior in my mind. (Disclaimer I am massively biased).

However on a serious note whenever these threads come up people fall over themselves to say ‘my puppy definitely was NOT from a puppy farm!’ when they handed over £100’s if not £1000’s of pounds. How naive! The vast majority of poodle crosses are puppy farmed (no they are not a friends of a friends dog that accidentally got pregnant just this one time) or in the least worse case scenario they are a ‘family pet’ who is over bread to make the family a bit of money.

It was another poster that mentioned them. She has an actual pyrenean mountain dog. Yes, they're a thing but probably much rarer than bernedoodles. Tbh, you could probably find pretty much any dog crossed with a poodle if you looked hard enough now, not always the best idea though I realise.

Point taken. I did look at full bernese myself originally but 9 years is too short for me, although I get nothing is guaranteed. They do seem like perfect dogs apart from that. Please do feel free to post a pic 🙏🫣😂

I have never heard of a Pyredoodle- is this really a thing? I have only ever met a few Pyranean mountain dogs - they dwarf my bernese, absolutely huge in comparison. But loads of people ask if mine are Pyranean. I think they recognise them as mountain dogs and remember the old tv show with the Pyranean. Of course they look nothing alike.

They have been around but in the UK they are relatively rare. Not easy to get hold of at all. And yes very expensive. I have met 3, all at Wimbledon Common. All huge and bouncy. Like I said, I don't think it's fair to put poodle traits into large breeds. They are not supposed to be mega active,.

That would have been my reason. I love massive dogs, but I'm put off by the short lifespan.

I do get what you're saying, but bernedoodles have been around for a while now and I've read lots of positive things about them, so it's a mix that does seem to work in my eyes. They're very expensive though... I assume because there are less of them in this country.

They don't want the long hair. I'm convinced that's why they do it.

I guess the lifespan is an issue, though my last one lived til 10 and my older boy is 9. The ones I met are really bouncy. And that's not great in a large breed. Golden doodles are the same - my friend has one. They get the intelligence of the poodle but also a degree of bounciness that these placid big dogs don't usually have. Bernese were used for watching cows on farms and pulling carts - they are the clydesdale horses of the dog world. Mine spend most of the day asleep and when they are awake they are not running about. To introduce poodle traits seems unfair to me - and sadly I don't think it's so much about lifespan as the hair.

This is a whole different subject though. You already know I'm against the Pyredoodle simply because I think it's too risky crossing a gigantic guarding breed that has exceptionally low prey drive and almost no recall with a high energy dog that has quite a strong prey drive. I don't think that is a good mix and I really can't think of any logical reason apart from teddy bear cuteness which is the sole reason why half of these would likely end up in rescue by 12 or 18 months.

I'm not sure that the Bernedoodle is really a stable mix either and I wouldn't say longevity is a good enough reason for that cross. If you want a big placid cuddly dog why not just get a Newfie or a Leonberger in the first place?

I'm not against Doodles in general but I don't think crossing a Poodle with every breed under the sun is necessarily sensible. Cane Corsodoodle anyone? Kangadoodle? Caucapoo? The rescue centres would end up filled with giant dogs that are not going to be easily rehomeable for obvious reasons.

Bernedoodles generally have a much longer lifespan than bernese mountain dogs. Perhaps they want some of the traits of the BMD but would like them around a bit longer? I've never met a bernedoodle but have read good things about their temperament. I'd assume the ones you've seen have poor owners.

Some rescue centres buy the puppies that no one buys, and ex-breeding bitches from puppy farms. They then sell them for a profit. Lucrative.

My local rec is full of them. Tbf they mostly seem nice enough dogs. I have bernese mountain dogs and in America the bernadoodle is incredibly popular. I have met 3 here and they are strange looking creatures and absolutely crazy, hyper - like a golden doodle only even bigger. I mean, why? Why take a huge dog and introduce some additional

I assume so, but if nobody bought them, the farms would cease to exist.

I've read posts before where people have gone to view a litter, released it's a puppy farm and bought one anyway to "save" it. I totally get how heart wrenching it must be, but funding these people just allows them to continue.

But if no one bought a puppy from a puppy farm wouldn’t they end up in rescues or killed? I’m totally neutral as never getting a dog so doesn’t affect me either way, just wondering.

Rescuing a dog from a puppy farm is just buying a dog from a puppy farm and actively promoting the sale of these dogs.

I suggest you contact the Oxford English Dictionary then and tell them that their definitions of the word pedigree are incorrect...

There's no difference at all 😂

There is a "Worldwide Australian Labradoodle Register", it's just the kennel club, and others are too snobby to accept new breeds. There is a big difference between you letting your lab get randy with a poodle and hoping for the best and one that is multiple generations of Labradoodles crossed with each other and picking the best for the next gen and 'bad specimens' no longer bred from.

Yes. I have had pedigree Pyreneans all my life.

However, these posts were in response to another poster disputing the fact that someone had a pedigree for their Doodle. We are just pointing out that in this case that meant a "Certificate of Pedigree" and was NOT a claim that the dog IS a pedigree/purebred.

The word pedigree has more than one meaning so please go back and read the comments in the correct context.

I'm quite aware of what the meaning of the word 'pedigree' is, but as this is a discussion on dogs I don't think it is referring to the pedigree of humans or cows.

Generally a pedigree dog (in the UK) refers to one that is KC registered as such.

Has a pedigree, so in this case noun 2, not noun 1

Ok, I try again, English Dictionary this time, Cambridge, no less!