To not understand the obsession with ‘doodle’ breeds

I don't understand this sneering attitude about doodles. The price is about supply and demand they make great pets, don't shed and are a lot of fun and affectionate. I have 2, one I bought as a puppy from a reputable breeder and one I took in from a family who couldn't manage it, just needed some consistent training - I love them 😍 but then I like all dogs and wouldn't criticise anyone for choosing any dog 🐕

I would get a doodle breed if I was going to get a dog as I have allergies. They are nice looking dogs without any horrid breathing problems such as pugs or lack jaw such as staffies. The ones I am have come accross always seem to have nice temperaments.
I don’t understand the obsession where I am of getting a “proper working dog” Everyone around here seems to have a hyperactive cocker spaniel. They are a pet. They don’t work!

The breeder of our F1 screened and litters are limited. Mum was also a show cocker not a working cocker. We have the full history and documentation of the Kennel Club registered parents .

I agree they are ridiculously expensive for what is basically a mutt, but my 'pet' hate are those flat faced breeds, shih tzu, frenchies and pug dogs. They all suffer some form of breathing issues. And all because humans wanted them to have more human looking baby faces 🤬

@F0urt33n - there is no such thing as a perfect dog. Each breed/ type has some attributes that are not wanted or undesirable.
... your knowledge is also somewhat limited, because if you cross 2 breeds with say hip dysplasia in their lines, you can vary well get a puppy with hip dysplasia. It will also take a few generations to breed out heavy inbreeding. Crossing 2 different breeds does widen the gene pool, but the inbreeding and the related problems don't necessarily dissappear.

I think the main issue with pooX is, that the majority of breeders don't screen their breeding stock. There is no limit to how many litters a bitch can have as there isn't any registration. For F2 crossing, there isn't a pedigree to check how closely they are related....

By all means, get a cookerpoo but be sure to research both the Poodle and the (working) Cocker Spaniel as your puppy will inherit attributes from both parents. (The Good, The Bad & The Ugly)

And look at their coats!

If I was thinking of getting a dog I wouldn’t be thinking of providing little exercise.

Why would I want a Havanese over a cockapoo- have you seen their coats? And they are prone to barking, have health needs…

Tibetan terriers are really vocal from what I've experienced.

Sorry, no. But a good gess!
Thig is, both breeds are smaller than the average cookerpoo.
But I'd have a Harvanese in a heartbeat!
But have a look at the Tibetan Terrier!
They seem to tick all the doodle boxes. What I didn't mention in my original post is that they can cope with little exercise.

The lack of knowledge and selective info is deeply worrying when you decide to lecture others re dog breeds.

In addition to Mini Schnauzers needing a lot of exercise and having high grooming needs whilst being prone to separation anxiety they are also prone to stubbornness(making training harder) and barking( anything and everything),health issues( painful bladder stones, cataracts, and liver shunts. Allergies, skin infections, pancreatitis, heart trouble) and obesity.

We did our research. We’d choose a cockapoo over a Schnauzer any day.

Sometimes these breeders like to say they only charge above cost price so their puppies don't fall into the wrong hands 😂

I'm surprised some people think that making money isn't a big factor in the pedigree dog industry.

This is my main bugbear. Whenever there's a thread where somebody mentions getting a poodle cross or somebody recommends one, it's always "don't go near anything with poo in the name, they're all from puppy farms. Get a pure poodle instead or a different pedigree". They never go on to mention that buying a pedigree can also be a minefield, with probably just as many being puppy farmed or that being KC registered really means bugger all.

Everybody needs to do their due diligence when buying ANY puppy.

My neighbour has a King Charles Spaniel, selectively bred a hundred years ago to try to recreate dogs from old paintings of King Charles Ii apparently. Too small for hunting but popular as lap dogs. Lots of health issues.

I cba googling but I'm sure there must be other breeds selectively bred to make good pets.

My mums got one and was utterly shocked when I told her that it would probably need lots of mental stimulation as it’s a cross of 2 working breeds. I think the people on here moaning about them being badly behaved are probably referring to owners that have bought them solely because they’re (undeniably) cute and not realised that they’ve got ‘a lot of dog’ in them.
I personally can’t imagine spending so much money on a cross breed but horses for courses!

This!!! The fact she denies the existence of bad pedigree breeders is worrying.

Oh do give over people breed pedigrees for money- a lot of money. 🙄

Please explain what I've said that's incorrect?

@WiddlinDiddlin I was going to post something similar, for the hard of thinking who are comparing the careful, selective development of breeds for purpose, with the farming of poodle crosses.

The two are incomparable. The sole reason for breeding mutts is to make money. That's it. There are no reputable "breeders" of doodles, no matter how much people protest. They are still knowingly breeding puppies for cash.

Also, @CellophaneFlower ,everything you have said is incorrect 🙈

Ahhh.. creating new breeds.

Yes, all the breeds we have were originally mixed breeds.

However on the whole they were created in a fairly short time frame by one, perhaps two people initially, who could breed intensively and cull hard (and yes, I do mean by killing those that didn't make the grade).

THey could do this because they were rich aristocrats, landed gentry, those with time, space and money to burn and bugger all else to do.

Breeding in this way meant that they achieved their goal usually within their lifetime, had one or two people to carry on that very specific goal who would not veer from it, and no one who would not adhere to that goal got their hands on a pup.

This doesn't happen now, it can't - people tend not to have the space or time or money to do it. They don't want to do it by themselves, they can't do it by themselves so they involve other people.

Other people have lots of different ideas, and no one these days can stomach killing dogs because they don't make the grade. So they rehome and hope that people will neuter... and not breed from them and most do but some decide to go their own way with a breed using someone elses 'rejects'...

And so it takes a long time to get a new breed to breed 'true' (ie the offspring will definitely look like the parents and fit that breed standard to a very high degree).

Breeds like the wolf-a-likes - the Northern Inuit/Tamaskan/Utonagan - these started out as one attempt to make a dog that looked like a wolf... and people had differing ideas and fell out and bred from dogs it had been agreed not to breed from...

Like the Old English Bulldogge/Old Tyme Bulldogge... same thing.

And then theres those who just breed any old dogs together and slap a name on and call it a breed (XL Bullies) because their agenda is somewhat different.

Cockerpoos and Labradoodles are not going to become a registered, true-breeding 'breed' any time soon because very very few people are attempting to do that and those that are are not working together in a way that will survive outwith their own lifetimes. The money to be made is in producing early gen x's, cockerpoo x cocker, poo x cockerpoo etc, so that is what most people are doing.

If you're still outcrossing, you're not attempting to produce a true breeding pedigree.

Some folk HAVE produced a recognisable breed in their own lifetime, Brian Plummers 'Plummer Terriers' were for a time true breeding and highly recognisable. But since his death things have wavered off course, few people want them, fewer want to stick to his vision... or do the things he did to achieve his goal!

It is so ridiculous how so many poodle cross haters claim that all the ones they've seen are hyperactive and neurotic. For a start, there are many out there that you might even not realise are doodles, as they take after a purebred parent, so don't have that doodle look. Also, people are less likely to notice the dogs walking along minding their own business, so perhaps many well behaved ones have passed you all by.

Cockapoos are the most common doodle and I've read countless posts telling people to avoid cocker spaniels as they can be neurotic, so it stands to reason that some of this will be seen in a cockapoo. Doesn't make them neurotic as they're a crossbreed or mean all doodles have that trait.

I must be lucky as I live in an area where the majority of dogs are purebred and I've only had 1 dog owner dismiss my dog as "not being a proper breed". Everybody else is fascinated by her (she's quite unique in her looks) and want to know all about her. It generally extends our walk by about 30 minutes at least! It's nice to know I'm not surrounded by judgemental snobs, who have nothing better to do than sneer at other people's dog choices.

It's quite a mean thread really.

I can't imagine starting a thread essentially saying that people are idiots for buying bulldogs that can't breathe, sharpeis that need all their wrinkles cleaning daily, terriers that bark at everything, guardian and hunting breeds that really were bred to be independent and so on. Because people love their dogs and choose them for different reasons. It really is just snobbery.

lol this. I live in a seaside village . Every other holiday maker has one.

You seem to think that people buying doodles and poos don't know what they're buying a mongrel. Of course they do. Often you have to select mongrel when buying pet insurance online.

Those names are just a shorthand way of explaining the mix when asked.

They chose their dog for the same reason anyone chooses a dog - including characteristics, size and appearance. Some then train them into lovely pets, and some don't, just like with every other breed.

They are popular because word spreads that they are lovely pets, and because everyone knows someone who has one and recommends them. They are having a moment like dalmatiins in the 60s and numerous other breeds over the years.

There ARE reputable breeders out there. Just because you don't know any (and why would you as you're not looking at getting one so wouldn't have researched) doesn't mean there aren't any. Just as saying they're all backyard breeders "in your opinion", doesn't make it true.