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solo day out - unwanted company

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FrescoeDay · 10/09/2024 21:16

I actually know I'm not being unreasonable but my reaction may be out of proportion and I need help wording my response for my desired outcome - solitude.

I'm on a sort of retreat in Italy. Tomorrow I arranged to go on a day trip away from the base to look at some art. I'd arranged for the car to the station, bought my train ticket and was looking forward to it. I told my next door room mate who told someone else who over dinner tonight said he was coming along 'if I didn't mind.' Of course I don't mind him going to the town and looking at the art. If he is here a week it is his opportunity. Of course I don't mind if he catches the same train - although, honestly, I don't want to chat and be friendly and 'on' for an hour plus on the train there (and back?!) Why should I?

I do not want to spend 6 hours going around museums galleries, churches, having lunch, with a stranger. I prefer to look at art alone at my own pace and have my own responses. But over dinner I could hardly say that. The prick (pardon me) cornered me. I am so angry I'm finding it hard to relax. This may be disproportionate. The thing is I am quite able to be cold and freeze people if I feel like it - but I don't want to introduce awkwardness let alone animosity. I am meeting the driver of the retreat tomorrow morning and this other unwanted guest. I don't want to stop him if this is his one chance to go to the town. But I refuse to have my day stolen from me because I end up being polite to this man. I need a healthy middle ground. I am 46. I can't believe I am still being imposed on like this. I don't want to snap but I may.

Thanks for hearing me out. Perspective needed. This has touched a nerve you can tell. I would just never ever do this.

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Pocketfullofdogtreats · 10/09/2024 22:41

I don't think you should sit with him on the train, because you'll either have to pretend your book/phone is fascinating, or give in and make conversation. Get into a different carriage. Might be OK on the way back when you have something to talk about. It's a bloody cheek for someone to muscle in on your day. I hope you have a fabulous time!

FrescoeDay · 10/09/2024 22:39

AGoingConcern · 10/09/2024 22:25

I fully understand the desire for a day alone - that's something I would want as well.

But gently... you seem to be making your people-pleasing all his fault. He isn't ignoring hints or expressed preferences because you haven't given any. He specifically offered you an out when he said "if you don't mind" and you didn't take it.

I've got my own anxieties about ruffling feathers and speaking up for myself so I understand why you hesitated, but I think your anger is misplaced. We're adults, no one should be tiptoeing around us trying to constantly anticipate our wishes and wondering "well she said it was ok but maybe that was a lie and I should take her answer to mean the exact opposite thing. Oh god I shouldn't have expressed my own wishes or interests to begin with she probably thinks I'm so aggressive." That is absolutely exhausting and unproductive for everyone involved.

Take some deep breaths and summon the spine tomorrow at breakfast to just tell him. Don't make it some elaborate, fraught thing, don't come up with a bunch of justifications, don't lie. Easy and to the point. "Good morning, James. I'm happy to share a lift to the station but I was looking forward to a day exploring on my own after that, so I'll let you go your own way and see you when we arrive back in [base town]." Then when you get to the station, wish him a good day and walk off in the other direction.

Enjoy your blessed alone time.

All fair points. Thank you. I'll say before he gets in the car. I said originally I was likely getting it out of proportion but - I don;t know- just seemed opportunistic and annoying and of course I am cross with myself for letting it fly by because I didn't want to embarrass him in front of a table of people.

Per the next commenter, I am 100% sure that's exactly what he feels and wants, and if I told you what this place was for you would see how borderline tasteless that was (in my opinion) .

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SantoriniSunrise · 10/09/2024 22:38

Has he got designs on you by any chance op? He does sound a bit forward, so I think as others say, you're going to have to be quite direct with him.

Rickrolypoly · 10/09/2024 22:37

Good grief woman, there is no need for all the drama. And there is no need for all these cries of men imposing themselves on women. You really should have just said last night when he asked if you that actually you are looking forward to some alone time so you're happy to share the car but not interested in a companion. That ship has sailed now though.
Just say to him tomorrow before ye head off , "John I was caught off guard last night at dinner. I have planned my day today and am looking forward to spending some time out by myself so more than happy to share the car to the train but I'll be leaving you too it after that. If you want we can catch up at the end of the day to get the car back"
End of discussion, no need for lies or made up excuses.

DatingDinosaur · 10/09/2024 22:33

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ttcat37 · 10/09/2024 22:29

When you see him in the morning say, “I’m getting the return train at x o’clock, so if you get that one back I’ll see you back at the car when the train lands. Have a good day!”

sandyhappypeople · 10/09/2024 22:25

Just catch him in the morning and tell him that you felt put on the spot when it was bought up at dinner last night, you're happy to catch the taxi together, but you were actually looking forward to spending the day on your own and would prefer to go your separate ways.

He may not want to be on his own and may have assumed that you feel the same way, so if he knows you don't want to buddy up he may prefer not to go at all.

I think the idea of ditching him when you get there is quite mean when you could just have a quick conversation before hand.

AGoingConcern · 10/09/2024 22:25

I fully understand the desire for a day alone - that's something I would want as well.

But gently... you seem to be making your people-pleasing all his fault. He isn't ignoring hints or expressed preferences because you haven't given any. He specifically offered you an out when he said "if you don't mind" and you didn't take it.

I've got my own anxieties about ruffling feathers and speaking up for myself so I understand why you hesitated, but I think your anger is misplaced. We're adults, no one should be tiptoeing around us trying to constantly anticipate our wishes and wondering "well she said it was ok but maybe that was a lie and I should take her answer to mean the exact opposite thing. Oh god I shouldn't have expressed my own wishes or interests to begin with she probably thinks I'm so aggressive." That is absolutely exhausting and unproductive for everyone involved.

Take some deep breaths and summon the spine tomorrow at breakfast to just tell him. Don't make it some elaborate, fraught thing, don't come up with a bunch of justifications, don't lie. Easy and to the point. "Good morning, James. I'm happy to share a lift to the station but I was looking forward to a day exploring on my own after that, so I'll let you go your own way and see you when we arrive back in [base town]." Then when you get to the station, wish him a good day and walk off in the other direction.

Enjoy your blessed alone time.

FrescoeDay · 10/09/2024 22:18

ICanBuyMyselfFlowersICanWriteMyNameInTheSand · 10/09/2024 22:14

Don't you have a voice?

You can't blame him for imposing on you if you haven't told him you want to be on your own.

Well, yes and no. I do have a voice; it's getting used tomorrow. It is wild to me that he would meet someone and an hour later just casually drop in that he was coming too. Him getting the taxi and train is not something I can veto so just a (mildly) awkward convo tomorrow...

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FrescoeDay · 10/09/2024 22:15

sunseaandsoundingoff · 10/09/2024 22:14

I just wouldn't go, and tell someone at the place to tell the driver I'd changed my mind but to take the other guy, and let him go alone.

Spending that much time with someone I don't know in close proximity is my idea of hell. At best, people like that never stop talking and never leave you alone no matter what you say.

The dreadful thing this was my first instinct but too much like cutting off my nose to spite my face.

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ICanBuyMyselfFlowersICanWriteMyNameInTheSand · 10/09/2024 22:14

Don't you have a voice?

You can't blame him for imposing on you if you haven't told him you want to be on your own.

sunseaandsoundingoff · 10/09/2024 22:14

I just wouldn't go, and tell someone at the place to tell the driver I'd changed my mind but to take the other guy, and let him go alone.

Spending that much time with someone I don't know in close proximity is my idea of hell. At best, people like that never stop talking and never leave you alone no matter what you say.

rightoguvnor · 10/09/2024 22:10

You're on a retreat. So retreat. Just simply tell the man over breakfast that you'll be disappearing on arrival as you prefer to retreat into yourself whilst observing art. No offence mate but that's why I came on retreat.
You're not going to the Sistine Chapel for a scream are you

areallmotherslikethis · 10/09/2024 21:50

"The point is he has seen no negativity. He's seen a smiling friendly woman over dinner."

@FrescoeDay

The smiling, friendly woman is allowed to change her mind.

Forget the excuses.

You tell this man when you next see him that you're happy to share the car to the station but after that he's on his own. You want to spend the day on your own. If he happens to be on the same train home then share the car back, otherwise he can make his own arrangements.

StripeyDeckchair · 10/09/2024 21:49

Just be very clear with him.
I'd do it over breakfast with witnesses so he can't later make you out to be nasty or unreasonable.

Morning Fred, about today.
I just want to be clear that I've got my day planned and don't want company, I'm someone who needs time alone to decompress. I'm happy yo share a taxi with you into town but then I'm going off to do my thing and I'll meet you back here at xoclock for the taxi back again. I'm sure you'll understand and respect my need for a day alone and have no problem doing your thing.

I'd make sure that the taxi driver knows that you're not spending the day together and he needs to wait for you to go back.
I'd nit give the other person any information about my plans for the day so they can't follow me & "accidentally" find me
Have a great day.

FrescoeDay · 10/09/2024 21:48

AtmosAtmos · 10/09/2024 21:45

🤣
seriously just say you are fine sharing the taxi but after that you will be separating and doing your own thing.

I will, I will. You all know the score. A minor annoyance of course in the scheme of things. I've had things my own way here for weeks I seem to have forgotten how to negotiate minor social blips.

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AtmosAtmos · 10/09/2024 21:45

Putmeinsummer · 10/09/2024 21:38

"oh sorry I have leprosy"

🤣
seriously just say you are fine sharing the taxi but after that you will be separating and doing your own thing.

FrescoeDay · 10/09/2024 21:44

Shadowbox7 · 10/09/2024 21:41

Post sounds completely ridiculous & of course you could have said you were going on your own over dinner. Look at the language, hopping mad, cross, hacked off, resentment, rude, resentment, awkward, animosity , so much drama. I'd highly doubt anyone would want to be around this negativity on a day out anyway. 🙄

You aren't wrong. Is this a rare occasion when the word 'triggered' actually applies? I feel just that.

The point is he has seen no negativity. He's seen a smiling friendly woman over dinner.

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Polyp0 · 10/09/2024 21:44

You are not over reacting. I would be mad too!

FrescoeDay · 10/09/2024 21:43

DinosaurMunch · 10/09/2024 21:36

It's absolutely fine and not at all rude to say "I am looking forward to spending the day alone tomorrow, I don't often get the chance. We can share a taxi but after that I will go off by myself and see you back at the hotel"

Please just communicate honestly rather than making up weird excuses or dropping hints that they will probably miss! All the anger will go.as soon as you do.

I agree it's best to be direct and honest and infinitely prefer it. I'd feel grim if I said I had a migraine or needed precious time alone. Annoying to contort anything. It'll be ok of course and I'll do just this. Let him feel awkward and annoyed if he had assumed otherwise.

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Shadowbox7 · 10/09/2024 21:41

Post sounds completely ridiculous & of course you could have said you were going on your own over dinner. Look at the language, hopping mad, cross, hacked off, resentment, rude, resentment, awkward, animosity , so much drama. I'd highly doubt anyone would want to be around this negativity on a day out anyway. 🙄

DinosaurMunch · 10/09/2024 21:40

FrescoeDay · 10/09/2024 21:32

Thanks all!

Yeah it's a car to the train together and then an hour's train journey and in theory we should probably co ordinate the train we get back (basically the retreat driver will collect us).

I think this - or the announcement over dinner - is one of those occasions where without my wanting to I found myself saying yeah fine and then resentment started to brew and now I'm hopping mad.

I have sunglasses, book, headphones, but in a way I am annoyed at having to deploy them. Just as I will be mildly annoyed at myself if I end up bringing up my boyfriend or saying I 'need' alone time. His presumptuousness has hacked me off. And I wish I'd had a more ready reply in the moment. Sure, we can share the car.

I think there is zero danger of me actually spending tomorrow having to remark on every church and painting to this fellow but I'm so cross I could end up being rude and that's not me either. At this place all day you are alone/ working and then dinner is the one convivial time of the day...

I will read on the train (my plan anyway) and then pick something outlandish to go and look at first...

Alas there are men and they leap on your plans. Yoga. None. It's optionally semi-spiritual I guess...

I still don't think there's any need to lie or feel awkward. It's not offensive or personal to this man that you don't want company. Just tell him politely. Don't worry about his reaction - that's outside your control and he should have realised when he came up with the idea that you might say no.

Putmeinsummer · 10/09/2024 21:38

"oh sorry I have leprosy"

ChateauMargaux · 10/09/2024 21:37

You are on this retreat for you... plan what you will say tomorrow.. use the retreat leader if you need to.. then enjoy every moment of the time on your own.

Good morning John, it is great we can share the car to the station, I hope you understand that this day out is part of my retreat and I am looking forward to doing it alone, in quiet contemplation, I will meet you back here at XX and I look forward to hearing how your day was.

DinosaurMunch · 10/09/2024 21:36

It's absolutely fine and not at all rude to say "I am looking forward to spending the day alone tomorrow, I don't often get the chance. We can share a taxi but after that I will go off by myself and see you back at the hotel"

Please just communicate honestly rather than making up weird excuses or dropping hints that they will probably miss! All the anger will go.as soon as you do.