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solo day out - unwanted company

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FrescoeDay · 10/09/2024 21:16

I actually know I'm not being unreasonable but my reaction may be out of proportion and I need help wording my response for my desired outcome - solitude.

I'm on a sort of retreat in Italy. Tomorrow I arranged to go on a day trip away from the base to look at some art. I'd arranged for the car to the station, bought my train ticket and was looking forward to it. I told my next door room mate who told someone else who over dinner tonight said he was coming along 'if I didn't mind.' Of course I don't mind him going to the town and looking at the art. If he is here a week it is his opportunity. Of course I don't mind if he catches the same train - although, honestly, I don't want to chat and be friendly and 'on' for an hour plus on the train there (and back?!) Why should I?

I do not want to spend 6 hours going around museums galleries, churches, having lunch, with a stranger. I prefer to look at art alone at my own pace and have my own responses. But over dinner I could hardly say that. The prick (pardon me) cornered me. I am so angry I'm finding it hard to relax. This may be disproportionate. The thing is I am quite able to be cold and freeze people if I feel like it - but I don't want to introduce awkwardness let alone animosity. I am meeting the driver of the retreat tomorrow morning and this other unwanted guest. I don't want to stop him if this is his one chance to go to the town. But I refuse to have my day stolen from me because I end up being polite to this man. I need a healthy middle ground. I am 46. I can't believe I am still being imposed on like this. I don't want to snap but I may.

Thanks for hearing me out. Perspective needed. This has touched a nerve you can tell. I would just never ever do this.

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GoldenLegend · 11/09/2024 10:39

Just hope he doesn’t try to go with you tomorrow! You’ve been clear enough though that you can make it a definite ‘no, leave me alone’ if he does.

SpiderGwen · 11/09/2024 10:38

You handled that beautifully! As a bonus, he’s out of everyone’s hair today.

Capachoochoo · 11/09/2024 10:36

It's also interesting how he was possibly trying to get your number too- well done on steering clear of that!

Holidayhell22 · 11/09/2024 10:35

You have so done the best thing op.
What a jerk he sounds, overstepping your boundaries.
For future reference I would jump straight in with: Well I suppose I can’t stop you going to X but I intend to go alone. I don’t want to go with anyone else.
Any further talk from the unwelcome hanger on can be met with:
Like I have said, I want to go alone but sure, I can’t stop anyone else from going.

GameofPhones · 11/09/2024 10:35

The problem is that the default response to a 'No' is that it is rude, or requires explanation. So there is normally a reluctance to say a bald 'No', and this is hugely taken advantage of by salespeople (and men in relation to women).

Equally 'if you don't mind' has hidden depths. The person saying it is presuming consent. They state their intention, proceed accordingly, without waiting for a response, and so the tag 'if you don't mind' is a token politeness only. One way out is to say 'sorry, I DO mind', but even this requires some social footwork depending on the context. 'The 'sorry' here is a nod to the default negative response, showing that the refuser is still expected to justify themselves.

I fully sympathise with the OP, and also thank her for raising such a fascinating topic (I used to teach sociolinguistics). The more we understand these subtleties, the better we will be able to train and defend ourselves.

pinkdelight · 11/09/2024 10:35

Wow! Well done OP. So annoying how much he needed telling, and still probably couldn't comprehend that you wouldn't love his company all day/for lunch/on the train back. Also this:

'So have you decided what we are going to see?'

Who does he think you are? His personal tour guide?? The gall of some guys!

SunGreen · 11/09/2024 10:30

What an annoying little pr*ck. Well done for extracting yourself. But similar to what others have, said how predictable and tedious that this man thought you were there as a support human to his needs. You sound lovely OP (and don’t worry I’m not going to try and meet you 😂).
Enjoy the rest of your retreat - it’s sounds blissful.

AGoingConcern · 11/09/2024 10:27

Sounds like you handled his decision to be obtuse fantastically, OP. Hopefully tomorrow is cooler as well for your (brilliantly) solo outing.

alrightluv · 11/09/2024 10:25

Hopefully you've taught him a lesson. He was very presumptuous imo.

MoveToParis · 11/09/2024 10:23

FrescoeDay · 11/09/2024 10:13

OK, here's the update.

I'm going tomorrow. All fine. I hope my pp show that I was 100% mea culpa about getting very riled and knowing I was potentially making a mountain out of a molehill. If I was on my high horse I did want a way down.

Of course, too, I was most of all cross at myself. I wouldn't call myself a people pleaser. In a way that's what tripped me up because I was on the back foot.

For clarity this is certainly not a group holiday and perhaps the distinction might seem a fine one but it is a retreat, with prayer if you want it and plenty of solitude and some support. I had told the woman in the room next to me about my plans. I went to get food and came back and she was telling this man about when she had been to this town and seen the frescoes. (It is the main destination from here). Most residents go at some point. This is where he jumped in.

Did I think he fancied me, yes, sure, I did to be honest. Did I think he was Hannibal Lector or a sleaze bag - no. I didn't think he'd make a pass, just that he would take my time because it suited him. Also that he was treating the place like an adult summer camp. For instance he was asking for my neighbour's number so he could text her 'if she was up' and they could watch the presidential debate together (at 3am? On a retreat! She's American, was the link) .

Anyway, this morning I thought, OK, he may think we're just sharing a car; if he doesn't I can quickly disabuse him. I said good morning, he said, 'So have you decided what we are going to see?' Me: Oh, no, this is a solo day out for me. I don't enjoy looking at art with other people. I may only go to a couple of places anyway, it's so hot.' Him: 'Well let's chose a couple that we'll each see and we can talk about them over lunch.' Me: No, as I say, I want to spend today alone. Him, shrug. We get in the car, drive to the station. The driver says What time am I picking you up? Me: Well, it may be separately. (We both have his number). Him: well maybe we could swap numbers so we can coordinate a time to get the train back. Me: Oh that sounds like a faff, I won't enjoy being on the clock. Why don't you go today and I'll go tomorrow. This heat looks too much for me already.

Mild consternation, and felt a bit silly getting driven back but - enough. So - here I am.

Thank you for the understanding replies. To repeat, I knew I was reacting possibly OTT; It's sorted, he was a mild annoyance and I should have nipped it in the bud but the bud is nipped now.

Brava!

Genuinely congratulations on handling the situation so well. Clear, unambiguous and polite. A masterclass, in several fronts- anticipating the non-acceptance of No, clear articulation and boundary management.

Standing Ovation.

Hillcrest2022 · 11/09/2024 10:22

Well done. I was furious in your behalf reading that exchange... he didn't make it easy for you did he?!! So glad you enforced your boundaries.

Allthehorsesintheworld · 11/09/2024 10:22

You get off the train and tell him you’re off to meet up with your lover Giovanni. You’ll see him back at the hotel.

Bretonsweater · 11/09/2024 10:21

That's fantastic. Brava for holding your ground! He must have been utterly flummoxed (and perhaps think twice before making assumptions next time? probably not, but nice to hope).

zingally · 11/09/2024 10:21

Beepybopp · 10/09/2024 21:21

Ok so you're getting a taxi into town together basically?

As soon as you arrive in the town you say, 'Well, have a great day! See you later!' and immediately walk off!

If he says, 'oh are we not going together?' you say 'ah I was really rather looking forward to spending the day alone doing things at my own pace. See you later!'

If he still persists at that point you say, 'I don't want to be rude, but no. I want to spend the day alone. Bye.'

Honestly just do it. It won't be as bad as you fear.

This is perfect.

OP, this man is a stranger to you. If he's a bit butt-hurt for a day or two, who cares? You're never going to see him again.

achipandachair · 11/09/2024 10:20

I knew it - he fully intended to assert his will over yours and he tried to do so. Not a simple matter of “if you would like it” in good faith at all. And you knew that, and that’s why you were angry.
You had to try far too hard to get out of that. especially for a retreat setting.
well done

jackstini · 11/09/2024 10:19

Good result OP - very pleased for you!
Have a fab day tomorrow

sparkleroo · 11/09/2024 10:19

Well done op. So pleased that you have wriggled out of this intrusive situation.

Lunch with a complete stranger making awkward small talk whilst your meant to be relaxing & taking in your surroundings of the place you wanted to visit alone - erm no thanks,

Bravo 🙌🏻 and enjoy your day alone as you had planned.

P.s I would have been furious also 😡

Intrusive bugger.

Accipe · 11/09/2024 10:19

Putmeinsummer · 10/09/2024 21:38

"oh sorry I have leprosy"

Why should someone be dishonest about wanting to spend the day alone? Some people seem to think that everyone wants company and we don't! I know this may sound awful but my OH died very suddenly at the start of the first lockdown, not lurgy related, and because of the situation only my closest family were allowed to come. Quite recently there was a programme on TV where a woman's husband and died where she had a constant stream of visitors 'to keep her company' and she looked quite fed up, I thank a deity that I was excused that horror!
Just tell him in your best Marlene Dietrich husky voice 'I want to be alone'!

jackstini · 11/09/2024 10:17

What happened OP?
Hopefully you are in blissful alone time now!

FrescoeDay · 11/09/2024 10:13

OK, here's the update.

I'm going tomorrow. All fine. I hope my pp show that I was 100% mea culpa about getting very riled and knowing I was potentially making a mountain out of a molehill. If I was on my high horse I did want a way down.

Of course, too, I was most of all cross at myself. I wouldn't call myself a people pleaser. In a way that's what tripped me up because I was on the back foot.

For clarity this is certainly not a group holiday and perhaps the distinction might seem a fine one but it is a retreat, with prayer if you want it and plenty of solitude and some support. I had told the woman in the room next to me about my plans. I went to get food and came back and she was telling this man about when she had been to this town and seen the frescoes. (It is the main destination from here). Most residents go at some point. This is where he jumped in.

Did I think he fancied me, yes, sure, I did to be honest. Did I think he was Hannibal Lector or a sleaze bag - no. I didn't think he'd make a pass, just that he would take my time because it suited him. Also that he was treating the place like an adult summer camp. For instance he was asking for my neighbour's number so he could text her 'if she was up' and they could watch the presidential debate together (at 3am? On a retreat! She's American, was the link) .

Anyway, this morning I thought, OK, he may think we're just sharing a car; if he doesn't I can quickly disabuse him. I said good morning, he said, 'So have you decided what we are going to see?' Me: Oh, no, this is a solo day out for me. I don't enjoy looking at art with other people. I may only go to a couple of places anyway, it's so hot.' Him: 'Well let's chose a couple that we'll each see and we can talk about them over lunch.' Me: No, as I say, I want to spend today alone. Him, shrug. We get in the car, drive to the station. The driver says What time am I picking you up? Me: Well, it may be separately. (We both have his number). Him: well maybe we could swap numbers so we can coordinate a time to get the train back. Me: Oh that sounds like a faff, I won't enjoy being on the clock. Why don't you go today and I'll go tomorrow. This heat looks too much for me already.

Mild consternation, and felt a bit silly getting driven back but - enough. So - here I am.

Thank you for the understanding replies. To repeat, I knew I was reacting possibly OTT; It's sorted, he was a mild annoyance and I should have nipped it in the bud but the bud is nipped now.

OP posts:
ErniesGhostlyGoldTops · 11/09/2024 10:11

FrescoeDay · 10/09/2024 23:04

Thank you, yes there are (optional) dinners together and that's friendly and convivial but this is not really a social meet-new-people thing.

It's not even something I can't sort. I wanted to vent. I've dealt with hairier situations than this one - just a pain that some people don't seem to have that little modicum of respect or tact or whatever given the circs.

This is a lesson to keep your plans to yourself in future.

Thebellofstclements · 11/09/2024 10:10

"Alas there are men and they leap on your plans."

In your follow up you seem to be implying that only men do this - I'd imagine a woman would be far more likely to say, "great! I'll join you!" Although saying you don't want to have to mention your bf suggests you think this chap might have romantic intentions, which completely changes the whole scenario.

Just say you want to spend the day by yourself but are happy to share the car journey. It isn't that unusual a thing to be doing that he won't immediately understand.

You seem to have built this into way big a problem in your imagination that it needs to be.

ClairDeLaLune · 11/09/2024 10:07

What is it about some men who think they are entitled to inflict themselves on women as if they’re doing them a favour? Hope you managed to swerve him OP.

Fraaahnces · 11/09/2024 10:03

I will be interested to hear if he changes his mind and decides to wait until you are going.

KimberleyClark · 11/09/2024 09:41

rainbowunicorn · 10/09/2024 21:21

I would just be honest. You want to spend the day alone. You don't have to give reasons. Just be polite and explain the way you have here.

This. I would imagine that to spend time alone is sort of the point of a retreat. (DB goes on them regularly).