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solo day out - unwanted company

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FrescoeDay · 10/09/2024 21:16

I actually know I'm not being unreasonable but my reaction may be out of proportion and I need help wording my response for my desired outcome - solitude.

I'm on a sort of retreat in Italy. Tomorrow I arranged to go on a day trip away from the base to look at some art. I'd arranged for the car to the station, bought my train ticket and was looking forward to it. I told my next door room mate who told someone else who over dinner tonight said he was coming along 'if I didn't mind.' Of course I don't mind him going to the town and looking at the art. If he is here a week it is his opportunity. Of course I don't mind if he catches the same train - although, honestly, I don't want to chat and be friendly and 'on' for an hour plus on the train there (and back?!) Why should I?

I do not want to spend 6 hours going around museums galleries, churches, having lunch, with a stranger. I prefer to look at art alone at my own pace and have my own responses. But over dinner I could hardly say that. The prick (pardon me) cornered me. I am so angry I'm finding it hard to relax. This may be disproportionate. The thing is I am quite able to be cold and freeze people if I feel like it - but I don't want to introduce awkwardness let alone animosity. I am meeting the driver of the retreat tomorrow morning and this other unwanted guest. I don't want to stop him if this is his one chance to go to the town. But I refuse to have my day stolen from me because I end up being polite to this man. I need a healthy middle ground. I am 46. I can't believe I am still being imposed on like this. I don't want to snap but I may.

Thanks for hearing me out. Perspective needed. This has touched a nerve you can tell. I would just never ever do this.

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5starzz · 11/09/2024 11:18

@Livingtothefull 100% agree. He's a 'type' we've all come across.

Livingtothefull · 11/09/2024 11:16

I am glad you are able to resolve this OP, well done for putting him in his place. He was not acting in good faith at all in being 'friendly' - not Hannibal Lector, just an all too familiar type of presumptuous, somewhat sleazy man who feels entitled to a woman's time, attention and interest regardless of her wishes. Your story about him proposing to text another woman in the middle of the night further illustrates this.

I agree that he probably chose to go on this retreat to find a woman - any woman - as in his own mind women who choose this kind of holiday are likely to be sad and lonely and desperate for male attention. He tried to impose on and manipulate you knowing that (as commented above) women are socialised to smooth things over and not hurt feelings. And he failed. Good.

I would suggest keeping any future plans close to your chest for the remainder of your stay.

Waterboatlass · 11/09/2024 11:16

Goodness how annoying. I think you did the right thing if it makes no difference which day you go. It would have spoilt the day thinking he would have probably popped up at some point. It was the persistence.

If it happens again, fine to say yes at the table if you don't wish to embarrass the other person, but better to clarify your plans privately straight afterwards.

CornedBeef451 · 11/09/2024 11:16

Well done! Excellent outcome.

He'll be sweaty and pathetic today and you can have a lovely day out by yourself tomorrow instead.

Supperlite · 11/09/2024 11:15

UANBU for wanting peace. UABU in your reaction.

I am an introvert. I regularly let people know, “I am an introvert and I would like to have some alone time. You’re lovely, but I don’t want to talk right now. Have a good train journey. I am going to sit by myself.”

Just use your words to politely inform him of your plans. I don’t think it’s imposing on you to ask to come along, it’s wrong of you not to politely say what you want to do (ie, say “no” to his request). He may think you’d be lonely and it’d be nice to have company. Just say what you want. It’s not an issue!

DeCaray · 11/09/2024 11:14

carpydeem · 11/09/2024 02:59

It wasn't a request though - this person informed OP he was coming along with her, tagging an "if you don't mind" on by the sounds of things, which didn't sound like it was actually meant as a question.

We are talking about adults.

'No, I want to enjoy my own company but you're welcome to share the car to the train station so that you can do your own thing.'

All this agreeing to do something and then seething about it behind his back is daft!

People have got confused with being assertive and being rude. Stating your preferences is not being rude.

Thursdaygirl · 11/09/2024 11:10

A good tactic when we are caught off guard is to do the non-commital "errmm I will need think about that...." - just change the pace. But its not easy.

I am getting better at this, but its definitely not easy

waterrat · 11/09/2024 11:08

There is a book the Gift of Fear - about how we always know deep down when a situation is not just 'us being a people pleaser' - its because we absolutely know someone is behaving in a. way we don't like

all the people here blaming the OP - should be more respectful when a woman has an unpleasant instinct about a situation

the fact this ended with him saying 'what are WE going to see'' - absolutely proves this point

Cattery · 11/09/2024 11:08

Well done OP but he didn’t go down without a fight did he. Unbelievable x

LostTheMarble · 11/09/2024 11:06

Well done for asserting yourself, but it’s a shame you’ve had to put it off a day. I hope he has actually gone today/wont try to jump in with you tomorrow. Though if he does I’d honestly tell him to fuck off and give you the peace you’ve paid for being part of the retreat! I’d not be surprised if there will be a few reported complaints about him if he carries on this way, I agree with a PP who believes he’s using it as an opportunity to pick up women (possibly he believes to be vulnerable judging by the word ‘retreat’).

BunsHun · 11/09/2024 11:06

Shadowbox7 · 10/09/2024 21:41

Post sounds completely ridiculous & of course you could have said you were going on your own over dinner. Look at the language, hopping mad, cross, hacked off, resentment, rude, resentment, awkward, animosity , so much drama. I'd highly doubt anyone would want to be around this negativity on a day out anyway. 🙄

Interesting that you say this when your negativity is pretty potent... Please go somewhere else with that

TwinklyAmberOrca · 11/09/2024 11:04

@FrescoeDay enjoy your alone time tomorrow!

I'm more concerned you're on a retreat in a beautiful country and spending 2 hours in the evening on Mumsnet!!! That's not relaxing!😂

Cattery · 11/09/2024 11:03

FrescoeDay · 10/09/2024 21:33

This would work and I may end up with a variation but isn't it annoying that you have to almost have this little pretend intimacy/ lie to get your time. As if they're doing you a favour.

Oh definitely. I’d be fuming. Piss off and leave me alone. Having to make small talk all day is jarring and draining.

HellonHeels · 11/09/2024 11:00

Selfish entitlement, he really didn't care what you wanted, just what he wanted. I find that really creepy and unsettling.

Very well done asserting yourself.

5starzz · 11/09/2024 10:57

Babyworriesreal · 11/09/2024 10:54

Good job OP - I can't believe he was so persistent. I wouldn't put it past him to want to go tommorrow too. If so a "no thanks, as I said, I'm going alone" , followed by a well deserved piss off if still needed. Enjoy tommorrow.

I can.

He's that entitled, intrusive type.

The OP knew this in her gut with his first interaction.

5starzz · 11/09/2024 10:55

A good tactic when we are caught off guard is to do the non-commital "errmm I will need think about that...." - just change the pace. But its not easy.

It's also 100% acceptable to change your mind / update your preferences at any point - politely but directly. The worst is excuses with these sorts - they alwsys find an in .."its too hot' ...OK lerts go later in the day.

Just a No is sufficient - let it hang uncomfortably in the air if needs be - and a 'because I dont want to' or 'that doesnt work for me' if needed.

You dont owe anyone an explanation or justificstion as to your preferences or how you choose to soend your hard earned time.

AlisonDonut · 11/09/2024 10:55

Well done OP. Enjoy today and then, enjoy tomorrow!

Babyworriesreal · 11/09/2024 10:54

Good job OP - I can't believe he was so persistent. I wouldn't put it past him to want to go tommorrow too. If so a "no thanks, as I said, I'm going alone" , followed by a well deserved piss off if still needed. Enjoy tommorrow.

PadstowGirl · 11/09/2024 10:51

He's not gone on that retreat to find himself has he? He's gone to find himself a women.

Well done for standing up for yourself. I have always found the classic MN retort "That doesn't work for me" very useful in all situations where my boundaries are being pushed.

As an aside would you be kind enough to share where you are staying (as a pm) as it sounds bloody amazing. I've been on a few UK retreats but never abroad.

Thursdaygirl · 11/09/2024 10:46

I've just looked at the other thread, mentioned above 'do you invite yourself to places' - good god no, that's so rude!!

OhTediosity · 11/09/2024 10:45

Well done, OP.

Thursdaygirl · 11/09/2024 10:43

Hillcrest2022 · 11/09/2024 10:22

Well done. I was furious in your behalf reading that exchange... he didn't make it easy for you did he?!! So glad you enforced your boundaries.

Well done OP

5starzz · 11/09/2024 10:42

FrescoeDay · 11/09/2024 10:13

OK, here's the update.

I'm going tomorrow. All fine. I hope my pp show that I was 100% mea culpa about getting very riled and knowing I was potentially making a mountain out of a molehill. If I was on my high horse I did want a way down.

Of course, too, I was most of all cross at myself. I wouldn't call myself a people pleaser. In a way that's what tripped me up because I was on the back foot.

For clarity this is certainly not a group holiday and perhaps the distinction might seem a fine one but it is a retreat, with prayer if you want it and plenty of solitude and some support. I had told the woman in the room next to me about my plans. I went to get food and came back and she was telling this man about when she had been to this town and seen the frescoes. (It is the main destination from here). Most residents go at some point. This is where he jumped in.

Did I think he fancied me, yes, sure, I did to be honest. Did I think he was Hannibal Lector or a sleaze bag - no. I didn't think he'd make a pass, just that he would take my time because it suited him. Also that he was treating the place like an adult summer camp. For instance he was asking for my neighbour's number so he could text her 'if she was up' and they could watch the presidential debate together (at 3am? On a retreat! She's American, was the link) .

Anyway, this morning I thought, OK, he may think we're just sharing a car; if he doesn't I can quickly disabuse him. I said good morning, he said, 'So have you decided what we are going to see?' Me: Oh, no, this is a solo day out for me. I don't enjoy looking at art with other people. I may only go to a couple of places anyway, it's so hot.' Him: 'Well let's chose a couple that we'll each see and we can talk about them over lunch.' Me: No, as I say, I want to spend today alone. Him, shrug. We get in the car, drive to the station. The driver says What time am I picking you up? Me: Well, it may be separately. (We both have his number). Him: well maybe we could swap numbers so we can coordinate a time to get the train back. Me: Oh that sounds like a faff, I won't enjoy being on the clock. Why don't you go today and I'll go tomorrow. This heat looks too much for me already.

Mild consternation, and felt a bit silly getting driven back but - enough. So - here I am.

Thank you for the understanding replies. To repeat, I knew I was reacting possibly OTT; It's sorted, he was a mild annoyance and I should have nipped it in the bud but the bud is nipped now.

Excellent. Well done you.

Dont be annoyed with yourself for not reacting in the moment - we are socailised to be polite - your body told you something was off with him as well as it was not what you wanted. The behaviour you describe of him with others and his persistence tells you in your gut you had already sensed his slimeball motives - loads of creeps go on things like this to hit on vulnerable women.

TeenageSwans · 11/09/2024 10:40

Well handled, OP. I imagine you're feeling far less cross with yourself, Enjoy the frescoes when you do see them. (If it's the Scrovegni chapel in Padua, I'm green with envy!)

sarahtalkstoomuch · 11/09/2024 10:39

Good for you for making it work.

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