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solo day out - unwanted company

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FrescoeDay · 10/09/2024 21:16

I actually know I'm not being unreasonable but my reaction may be out of proportion and I need help wording my response for my desired outcome - solitude.

I'm on a sort of retreat in Italy. Tomorrow I arranged to go on a day trip away from the base to look at some art. I'd arranged for the car to the station, bought my train ticket and was looking forward to it. I told my next door room mate who told someone else who over dinner tonight said he was coming along 'if I didn't mind.' Of course I don't mind him going to the town and looking at the art. If he is here a week it is his opportunity. Of course I don't mind if he catches the same train - although, honestly, I don't want to chat and be friendly and 'on' for an hour plus on the train there (and back?!) Why should I?

I do not want to spend 6 hours going around museums galleries, churches, having lunch, with a stranger. I prefer to look at art alone at my own pace and have my own responses. But over dinner I could hardly say that. The prick (pardon me) cornered me. I am so angry I'm finding it hard to relax. This may be disproportionate. The thing is I am quite able to be cold and freeze people if I feel like it - but I don't want to introduce awkwardness let alone animosity. I am meeting the driver of the retreat tomorrow morning and this other unwanted guest. I don't want to stop him if this is his one chance to go to the town. But I refuse to have my day stolen from me because I end up being polite to this man. I need a healthy middle ground. I am 46. I can't believe I am still being imposed on like this. I don't want to snap but I may.

Thanks for hearing me out. Perspective needed. This has touched a nerve you can tell. I would just never ever do this.

OP posts:
MetaDaughter · 11/09/2024 13:01

I am really furious that you have postponed your day trip.

I know you tried to ‘use your voice’ but this isn’t the outcome I would have wanted.

Perhaps it would be best if you let the person who ‘blabbed’ know that you’re really looking forward to enjoying your remaining solo days there - without random company? Angry

Babycote · 11/09/2024 13:01

My script would be: "Morning X! Lovely day isn't it. I am so looking forward to today. I cannot wait to spend the whole day by myself! I never get alone time and I'm going to spend the whole day not speaking to anyone once we've got there. Absolutely glorious."

NPET · 11/09/2024 13:00

Just to say certainly no pardon necessary for calling him a prick. It's my preferred term of abuse for the PRICKS who insist on hitting on me! Aaaaargh!!!!!
SORRY.

PurpleCheese · 11/09/2024 13:00

Beepybopp · 10/09/2024 21:21

Ok so you're getting a taxi into town together basically?

As soon as you arrive in the town you say, 'Well, have a great day! See you later!' and immediately walk off!

If he says, 'oh are we not going together?' you say 'ah I was really rather looking forward to spending the day alone doing things at my own pace. See you later!'

If he still persists at that point you say, 'I don't want to be rude, but no. I want to spend the day alone. Bye.'

Honestly just do it. It won't be as bad as you fear.

Exactly this. Not hard!

ToastCrumbsInMyBed · 11/09/2024 12:53

It sounds like he expected you to entertain him by playing tour guide. Men make such assumptions.

Twinklefloss · 11/09/2024 12:50

Brilliant update OP, you went from zero to hero in my eyes. At first I wondered why there was no nipping last night, but now you have nipped ever so effectively. Well done!

evilharpy · 11/09/2024 12:41

MrsSkylerWhite · 11/09/2024 12:37

No need for angst. “No thank you” is all that’s required. If he persists “No thank you. I don’t want to”. I find people are usually accepting if you’re up front with them.

Ignore the suggestions of lying/making up nonsense. It’s just not necessary.

Maybe read the OP's update.

MrsSkylerWhite · 11/09/2024 12:37

No need for angst. “No thank you” is all that’s required. If he persists “No thank you. I don’t want to”. I find people are usually accepting if you’re up front with them.

Ignore the suggestions of lying/making up nonsense. It’s just not necessary.

CatCaretaker · 11/09/2024 12:35

@FrescoeDay well done. It doesn't even sound like he was interested in the art, more on imposing himself on you. Didn't even ask if you'd like to meet for lunch, basically told you you would be.

Reminds me of a wedding I was at where the brother of the bride asked me to dance, forcibly, and I declined (politely but equally forcibly). At which point my mother jumped in to tell me how rude I was 🙄

HeySummerWhereAreYou · 11/09/2024 12:33

Livingtothefull · 11/09/2024 11:16

I am glad you are able to resolve this OP, well done for putting him in his place. He was not acting in good faith at all in being 'friendly' - not Hannibal Lector, just an all too familiar type of presumptuous, somewhat sleazy man who feels entitled to a woman's time, attention and interest regardless of her wishes. Your story about him proposing to text another woman in the middle of the night further illustrates this.

I agree that he probably chose to go on this retreat to find a woman - any woman - as in his own mind women who choose this kind of holiday are likely to be sad and lonely and desperate for male attention. He tried to impose on and manipulate you knowing that (as commented above) women are socialised to smooth things over and not hurt feelings. And he failed. Good.

I would suggest keeping any future plans close to your chest for the remainder of your stay.

This exactly! Men who see a woman alone think 'desperate, lonely, sad, can she cook, tidy figure, not a bad face, she may make a good wife one day, she needs a man!' And they find it unfathomable that some women want to be alone, enjoy being alone, and actually don't need a man at all! I mean many women do enjoy company of course, but also enjoy being alone - and are FINE alone!

I LOVE my days out on my own, day trips to the beach, or the lake, or for a walk by the river, or around the woodlands, or walking along the canal. (From full days 8am til 6pm, to part days 10am til 3pm.) Just me myself and I tootling around, walking at my own pace, stopping when I want to take photos, taking videos of things around me, listening to the birds, gasping in awe at a baby deer bouncing by, and sitting under a tree to have my little snack and drink.

I sometimes just sit on the boardwalk at the lake just looking across it - for 10 minutes. Just appreciating the fact that I'm alive, and thinking 'what a lovely world and I'm so blessed to be in it.' (#CheeseAlert sorry.) AGAIN, I enjoy being with others sometimes, my 2 best friends, my 2 adult DD and their partners, (and their partners parents,) and my DH. But I don't like big group meet-ups and I enjoy a small social circle.

EG there is a walking group in my village, and a couple of women in it have asked me several times to join it. (Every Saturday morning it is at 8.30am. They walk 7-8 miles) I do NOT want to walk in a group, and they just don't seem to get it. I want to walk at my own pace, my own chosen route, and maybe just 2-3 miles. 7-8 miles is a lot for me! My limit for a walk is usually 4 to 4.5 miles.. And I would not want to be walking 7-8 miles with 30 other people! Just no!

I do NOT want to do it and give the reason that weekends are family time, and I can tell how they look at me that they are a bit confused and slightly irked that I say no! I do have other things to do on Saturdays, (and Sundays!) and as I said, the weekends are the only time I see my family. But I can tell they think this is a lame excuse, because their family lives 100s of miles away and they see them 2 to 4 times a year, and can't comprehend how or why anyone would want to see theirs most weekends.

I have been in several village meet-up groups over the past decade, and eventually I left because there was always at least 2 people who were opinionated gobshites, and there were also little cliques of people who came together (best mates and family members.) Same with slimming groups I went to - always little cliques, and I stopped going after 5-7 weeks. Maybe it's just me, and the fact I am just a free spirit, but I won't apologise for it, or change myself to be somebody that other people want me to be.

Sorry, went off on a tangent. Basically, no-one should be something they don't want to be, to please other people. You can bet most people wouldn't do it for you

HeySummerWhereAreYou · 11/09/2024 12:33

5starzz · 11/09/2024 12:09

And so what if it was? People become people pleasers due to having dysfunctional, unpredicatable and volatile parents. She was caught off guard - she was cross with his imposition and has acknowleged she was angry with herself - but she reflected and resolved it assertively - so all good.

He proved himself to be what her gut suspected in the follow up interaction and the OP then did 100% the right thing to then change her plans and take herself physically out of his orbit.

Yeah this! ^

HeySummerWhereAreYou · 11/09/2024 12:32

5starzz · 11/09/2024 12:09

And so what if it was? People become people pleasers due to having dysfunctional, unpredicatable and volatile parents. She was caught off guard - she was cross with his imposition and has acknowleged she was angry with herself - but she reflected and resolved it assertively - so all good.

He proved himself to be what her gut suspected in the follow up interaction and the OP then did 100% the right thing to then change her plans and take herself physically out of his orbit.

Yeah this! ^

OhTediosity · 11/09/2024 12:25

Breadcat24 · 11/09/2024 11:51

I'm sorry I do not think your update is "fab"
You did not get your solo day out
You went on a car journey to the station and back?

Could you not just say- before getting in the car " Look I know we are all wanting to see X frescos and art in the town, but just to be clear I want to see them and tour around by myself"

I do not think it that difficult.
I also - sorry - do not see why you did not say something simple like "happy to share the taxi with you" to make clear the boundaries yesterday.
For the rest of you trip if you cannot be straight with people please either do not share your plans or start spouting on about how you like spending time by yourself

I wonder why you have repeatedly said 'sorry' when you are clearly no such thing. That's not really being straight with people either, is it?

BringMeTea · 11/09/2024 12:24

@GameofPhones tbh Most of them are mras/incels that spend their sad lives here.

theundersea · 11/09/2024 12:22

Thebaguette · 11/09/2024 12:16

I did not read the last post but op kept rambling about why it is justified to be annoyed in first 5 posts, and my response to OP was based on those.

Why not say in the first post, she only met him 1 hour before his request and she felt he fancied him. To be honest, it makes it even easier to say no to a stranger.

I think you really should read OP's update. Her instincts were correct.

PuppyMonkey · 11/09/2024 12:19

Actually, I love the whole way this played out. He imposed and left OP in a situation where he knew she’d probably just say yes, okay. He’s feeling all smug imagining how he’ll win her round with lunch and laughs. She waits until they get all the way to the station and THEN drops the bombshell she’s going to leave it for today. Brilliant. He’s learned a much better lesson this way than if you’d just said no thanks in the first place. Plus he’d have probably found a way of turning up anyway.

pinkdelight · 11/09/2024 12:16

Breadcat24 · 11/09/2024 12:09

@pinkdelight @LuckySantangelo35 @Idontjetwashthefucker
I am not "blaming" or putting the OP down
I just do not think it is a win to be so unable to voice how you want to spend your day that you end up doing a pointless return journey in a car.
If they find it so hard to communicate then they could have ducked out by saying to him/ the retreat / the driver - sorry it is too hot for me today.
Considering that the OP says she spent all last night "so angry I'm finding it hard to relax" it would be a positive thing for her to find some stock phrases or coping mechanisms to avoid getting in this situation again

Well it wasn't pointless, as she's used it to confront this issue and got something out of it. And this: If they find it so hard to communicate then they could have ducked out by saying to him/ the retreat / the driver - sorry it is too hot for me today. is contradictory - if she found it so hard to communicate, which she did, then she couldn't have said that, or she would've. But she got it together and communicated well when they got there, standing up to his pushiness three times. Which is a win. No one's saying any of this is a textbook on how to handle guys like this. They're listening to OP's context and responding accordingly.

Thebaguette · 11/09/2024 12:16

Idontjetwashthefucker · 11/09/2024 12:07

Why not read OPs update?

I did not read the last post but op kept rambling about why it is justified to be annoyed in first 5 posts, and my response to OP was based on those.

Why not say in the first post, she only met him 1 hour before his request and she felt he fancied him. To be honest, it makes it even easier to say no to a stranger.

Tallisker · 11/09/2024 12:11

You'll have to avoid him tonight, OP, he'll be telling you where to go and what to see. And tomorrow night, when he wants to compare notes about your trips 🙄

JustForTheTasteOfItDC · 11/09/2024 12:10

I'm glad you've resolved it now OP, well done!

I don't want to derail the thread but really interested in the retreat you are doing, it sounds great. Are you happy to share info on it?

5starzz · 11/09/2024 12:09

TeenageSwans · 11/09/2024 12:03

It's the classic people-pleaser situation (unable to say no in case it makes someone dislike them, even if the liking or dislike of the person is completely unimportant), but simmering with often unconscious fury and resentment at other people being 'users'.

And so what if it was? People become people pleasers due to having dysfunctional, unpredicatable and volatile parents. She was caught off guard - she was cross with his imposition and has acknowleged she was angry with herself - but she reflected and resolved it assertively - so all good.

He proved himself to be what her gut suspected in the follow up interaction and the OP then did 100% the right thing to then change her plans and take herself physically out of his orbit.

StaunchMomma · 11/09/2024 12:09

TeenageSwans · 11/09/2024 12:03

It's the classic people-pleaser situation (unable to say no in case it makes someone dislike them, even if the liking or dislike of the person is completely unimportant), but simmering with often unconscious fury and resentment at other people being 'users'.

Some people are socially awkward or struggle to stand up for themselves when blindsided. Hardly shocking.

She's alone and has nobody to rant to - is it really a flameable offence to have a moan on here?

She's stated clearly that she was disappointed in herself for her reaction and she's put it right today.

Lots of people saying she's over the top but so are some of the reactions here.

Breadcat24 · 11/09/2024 12:09

@pinkdelight @LuckySantangelo35 @Idontjetwashthefucker
I am not "blaming" or putting the OP down
I just do not think it is a win to be so unable to voice how you want to spend your day that you end up doing a pointless return journey in a car.
If they find it so hard to communicate then they could have ducked out by saying to him/ the retreat / the driver - sorry it is too hot for me today.
Considering that the OP says she spent all last night "so angry I'm finding it hard to relax" it would be a positive thing for her to find some stock phrases or coping mechanisms to avoid getting in this situation again

Abbylikeswine · 11/09/2024 12:08

DeCaray · 11/09/2024 12:00

I know. The whole thread is a non event because the op didn't behave like an adult and say no from the start but preferred to seethe behind his back and whinge on here.

I don't know how people go through life agreeing to things that they don't want to do and then making a massive drama out of it! 🤷🏼‍♀️

Did you ever think that some women are just afraid of men?

And that is because of men.

A lot of men cannot take a no without getting extremely angry

Any time that I've said no to a man, about anything, they have never once said "oh yes hat's fine"

They have always gotten extremely angry at me for saying no

Thebaguette · 11/09/2024 12:08

GameofPhones · 11/09/2024 12:05

Have to laugh at all the handmaidens trying to service this guy.

Why everything has to be about man versus woman?

Your comment is so bitter. Calling women you don't know handmaidens, when all they are saying just tell him you prefer to do it solo and don't over complicate.