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Is my dd being entitled?

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Funkyslippers · 10/09/2024 20:06

Few years ago at a routine dental check up for dd, we enquired as to whether she needed braces. She was told no as her teeth were not 'bad' enough. I had braces on the NHS as a kid, 40+ years ago but they were removable, I don't remember having them for long & wore no retainers so as a result they are only slightly better than they were. I've recently become quite self conscious about my teeth so decided to go for Invisalign. I thought I'd treat myself as I've recently got a new job with better pay. When dd found out she threw a strop saying if I'm getting braces why can't she? I explained that I've had to wait a long time to get mine & I was actually told by my dentist that due to my overbite there's an increased risk of damage to teeth as I get older if I don't get them corrected. Fwiw dd's teeth are a little on the overcrowded side but you'd hardly notice unless you look closely. Is she just being a diva or AIBU?

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Spenditlikebeckham · 10/09/2024 21:34

A professional IE a dentist says the op's dd isn't in NEED of dentistry work done...

summershort · 10/09/2024 21:30

FuzzyDiva · 10/09/2024 21:16

Almost no child will qualify on the NHS. Braces are very much an expense parents need to cover, despite NHS dentistry. It’s similar to glasses. You can get the NHS voucher for £80? (£90?) for glasses but as a parent you spend more to get frames your child likes, to reduce the width and weight of the glasses and to get them to be anti glare etc.

Definitely not the case in my experience! 5 of my 7 children have had or been referred for braces on the NHS, 20 yr old had them at 13, 18 yr old got them at 15 (delay due to Covid), 16 yr old got them at 14 and got them off 2 weeks ago, 13 year old currently has them and 11 year old was referred a few months ago and getting them just before Christmas.
Only two of them had what I would say were really bad teeth, the others were just a bit wonky or a bit of an overbite. It must depend on where you live and how generous they are with funding as round here it seems that majority of teenagers do have braces, and NHS ones at that, it’s more unusual for my children’s friends to have not had them than to have them.

Fridgetapas · 10/09/2024 21:29

Honestly I would have done it for my child first before myself.

PixieLaLar · 10/09/2024 21:25

FuzzyDiva · 10/09/2024 21:16

Almost no child will qualify on the NHS. Braces are very much an expense parents need to cover, despite NHS dentistry. It’s similar to glasses. You can get the NHS voucher for £80? (£90?) for glasses but as a parent you spend more to get frames your child likes, to reduce the width and weight of the glasses and to get them to be anti glare etc.

OP said herself:

dd's teeth are a little on the overcrowded side but you'd hardly notice unless you look closely

That sounds purely cosmetic and very minimal so no obviously it won’t be covered on the NHS. In terms of crowding the NHS is only for moderate to severe crowding that impacts proper cleaning or maintenance of the teeth. It’s nothing to do with the ‘looks’.

Funkyslippers · 10/09/2024 21:24

PixieLaLar · 10/09/2024 21:20

Bloody hell people on this post are being ridiculous!

Did you all miss the part where OP said she enquired as to whether DD needed braces and was told no because its only minor crowding that is hardly noticeable.

No wonder teens are so entitled and think the are owed all sorts. Private orthodontics is expensive and Mum has every right to treat herself. Just like if she wanted highlights, a facial, a new car - does that mean DD must receive these things too just because she wants them?!

Thank you 😊

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PixieLaLar · 10/09/2024 21:20

Bloody hell people on this post are being ridiculous!

Did you all miss the part where OP said she enquired as to whether DD needed braces and was told no because its only minor crowding that is hardly noticeable.

No wonder teens are so entitled and think the are owed all sorts. Private orthodontics is expensive and Mum has every right to treat herself. Just like if she wanted highlights, a facial, a new car - does that mean DD must receive these things too just because she wants them?!

MiddleParking · 10/09/2024 21:18

I would get train tracks for both of you if at all possible financially, just her if not. I wouldn’t get Invisalign, train tracks will fix your teeth faster and better.

Barkingshoes · 10/09/2024 21:16

NHS braces - really only if a “need” if teeth impair speaking, eating / normal life functioning. They will say No, if not impacting life in this way.
Can always get them private. Invisalign are most expensive choice. Seems they are same price no matter how much work needs doing.
First visit, they photo your teeth, face & cost it up your choices.

Up to you if u want to pay, but don’t get her invisalign. Kids lose them.

FuzzyDiva · 10/09/2024 21:16

PixieLaLar · 10/09/2024 21:10

When dd found out she threw a strop saying if I'm getting braces why can't she?

I would say yes that is entitled behaviour to expect she should get something just because you have!

You are the adult here paying for your own treatment. She is a child (or presumably teen) who doesn’t qualify for the treatment on the NHS, so when she gets a job she can also choose to pay for her own braces, it’s that simple.

Almost no child will qualify on the NHS. Braces are very much an expense parents need to cover, despite NHS dentistry. It’s similar to glasses. You can get the NHS voucher for £80? (£90?) for glasses but as a parent you spend more to get frames your child likes, to reduce the width and weight of the glasses and to get them to be anti glare etc.

Foxesandsquirrels · 10/09/2024 21:13

I'd get a second opinion for hers, one dentist said my DD wouldn't qualify, another did and she had them for 18 months on NHS.
I probably would also prioritise my DDs braces if she needed them but I don't need braces so it's a bit different. Teens can be extremely stroppy and ungrateful and my DD never bothered to wear her retainer until now, and only because she likes that it looks like a grill :S (she has the ones with a metal bar)
It's also good for your DD to see that you look after yourself tbh. I wouldn't get Invisalign though! Train tracks, the see through ones if you must but god Invisalign is so expensive and doesn't correct a lot a lot of the medical level problems, just cosmetic.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 10/09/2024 21:11

I would put my dc first in this scenario 100%. No way would I get something for myself only that we both needed.

PixieLaLar · 10/09/2024 21:10

When dd found out she threw a strop saying if I'm getting braces why can't she?

I would say yes that is entitled behaviour to expect she should get something just because you have!

You are the adult here paying for your own treatment. She is a child (or presumably teen) who doesn’t qualify for the treatment on the NHS, so when she gets a job she can also choose to pay for her own braces, it’s that simple.

Waystation · 10/09/2024 21:10

You are the parent and as such responsible for your DCs dental work - and if her teeth are overcrowded it needs fixing.

HerewegoagainSS · 10/09/2024 21:09

No, she isn’t being a diva. Having crooked, overcrowded teeth would make any teenager self conscious, as would having braces when she is in her 20s and maybe finally able to pay for them herself.

RawBloomers · 10/09/2024 21:03

I don’t think either of you are being divas.

I understand why a child would think they should have the same entitlement to health and wellness resources as an adult. We tend to teach them they are, if anything, more important in that respect. And the impact of having it done early on in life is probably much higher than later.

loropianalover · 10/09/2024 21:00

‘Being a diva’ for wanting to get her overcrowded teeth fixed? 🙁 please take her to an orthodontist as PP said above, ask them for their opinion on what sort of results she can expect from braces.

Precipice · 10/09/2024 20:57

She's not being entitled just because she's going 'why are you getting this for yourself and not solving the equivalent problem for me?'

Precipice · 10/09/2024 20:55

I'd take her to an orthodontist and ask there whether braces would be useful for her, not at the standard dentist's at a check-up.

(I'm saying this as someone who was told by an orthodontist in my youth that I should get braces, but that this would require the extraction of 3-4 teeth. I didn't get the braces. Just to make it clear that perfect dental alignment is not my obsession!)

Spenditlikebeckham · 10/09/2024 20:49

I had train tracks fitted in my 40's.. Dd moaned hers were a bit squashed but didn't qualify for NHS. Didn't cross my my mind to prioritise a stroppy teen over my hard earned for cash paying for my own teeth done. I also had a big over bite. Dd can pay for hers to be made perfect when she can afford it.

Crazycatlady79 · 10/09/2024 20:49

Personally, as a parent, I'd prioritise braces for my daughter over Invisalign for myself, but to each their own.

Funkyslippers · 10/09/2024 20:47

Overpayment · 10/09/2024 20:39

I’m pretty surprised that you’d prioritise your own cosmetic dental treatment over that of your DD.

Im not generally one for martyring oneself for one’s DCs, but this seems really selfish of you.

Well since being told she didn't need one, I hadn't really thought about it. It's only tonight that she's said she's unhappy with her teeth. She's never mentioned it before and the slight overcrowding is not noticeable unless she smiles widely which she doesn't do often! She was even reluctant to let me see when I asked her, so I definitely haven't prioritsed mine over hers. I just looked into mine as I was advised to get my teeth fixed recently, presumably moving with age

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Beezknees · 10/09/2024 20:47

I'd put my DC before myself in this scenario honestly. I wouldn't do it in all scenarios but for dentistry yes.

FuzzyDiva · 10/09/2024 20:46

ThinWomansBrain · 10/09/2024 20:44

Dentist providing braces under the NHS - they're not needed
Dentist selling invialign with a hefty commission - wonder whether the opinion will be different?

I think braces aren’t really given under the NHS, without exceptional circumstances, so they are still something parents have to pay for since it’s cosmetic.

FuzzyDiva · 10/09/2024 20:45

Funkyslippers · 10/09/2024 20:39

I should have specified that I wasn't given retainers to wear. I'm not even sure they existed back then!

But I understand your points & I'm going to make an appointment for a 2nd opinion tomorrow

Thanks all

I think dentistry has changed significantly in recent years, so you’re probably right about the retainers, but I am assuming you can understand the desire to have aligned teeth and a nice smile and it’s not diva-ish or entitled to want to have it (especially not in the shallow social media world children grow up in today).

ThinWomansBrain · 10/09/2024 20:44

Dentist providing braces under the NHS - they're not needed
Dentist selling invialign with a hefty commission - wonder whether the opinion will be different?