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Is my dd being entitled?

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Funkyslippers · 10/09/2024 20:06

Few years ago at a routine dental check up for dd, we enquired as to whether she needed braces. She was told no as her teeth were not 'bad' enough. I had braces on the NHS as a kid, 40+ years ago but they were removable, I don't remember having them for long & wore no retainers so as a result they are only slightly better than they were. I've recently become quite self conscious about my teeth so decided to go for Invisalign. I thought I'd treat myself as I've recently got a new job with better pay. When dd found out she threw a strop saying if I'm getting braces why can't she? I explained that I've had to wait a long time to get mine & I was actually told by my dentist that due to my overbite there's an increased risk of damage to teeth as I get older if I don't get them corrected. Fwiw dd's teeth are a little on the overcrowded side but you'd hardly notice unless you look closely. Is she just being a diva or AIBU?

OP posts:
Wineandcupcakes · 11/09/2024 10:13

Funkyslippers · 11/09/2024 09:12

Well if you've bothered to read the short threat on this you'll see I'm taking her for a 2nd opinion. But yes, the chances are I'll get mine first, if we decide she does need them. There's nothing wrong with that. I've been told by 2 dentists pretty much the same thing that there's a good chance my teeth will be more damaged if I don't act fairly soon. I know no dentist is going to tell my dd that. Are you saying that every child that doesn't have perfect teeth should get a brace, regardless?

Nice try, lol. No I’m saying your kid should.

OrwellianTimes · 11/09/2024 09:41

She’s not being a diva, she has a point. I’d prioritise sorting her teeth out to be honest - it makes a massive difference to people’s self confidence.

Poppins21 · 11/09/2024 09:36

FuzzyDiva · 10/09/2024 20:35

If I’m honest, I think that as a parent dental care is your responsibility and I would have got her a brace after the first conversation with the dentist since finances clearly do allow for it.

I would of too as I think dental care is a parental obligation- assuming your daughter is under 18?

I think your teeth have to be pretty bad to even qualify for NHS braces these days so you daughter may well need braces.

You probably would not have got braces on NHS if you were a teenager again now.

SwimSwim · 11/09/2024 09:30

Teeth are so important and if I had the opportunity to stop my daughter having to go through her teens avoiding smiling widely and hating her teeth, I'd absolutely jump at it. If I were you, I'd fix my daughters first and my own afterwards. The NHS saying they're not needed isn't the same as saying her teeth are good. It just means they're not bad enough to be provided for free. I don't think she's being entitled at all. Straight, nice teeth shouldn't be a luxury, they can affect confidence etc. as it's one of the first things people see.

Funkyslippers · 11/09/2024 09:15

Callaphone · 10/09/2024 23:36

I would at least get an appt and an estimate.

The NHS dental service is pretty skeletal. There's plenty of scope for them to be quite bad without being bad enough to qualify for NHS treatment. If we all told our mentally unwell DC that they didn't need any intervention because CAMHS said they weren't bad enough, the suicide rate in this country would go up. Women who have had cervical cancer no longer meet the NHS criteria for someone to look at their smear test cells, unless they first test positive for HPV. There are massive needs now going unmet round the edges of what reaches the NHS criteria.

But they're not 'quite bad'!!!! That's quire a leap you've made

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Funkyslippers · 11/09/2024 09:12

Wineandcupcakes · 11/09/2024 08:47

Well I can’t imagine telling my kid she couldn’t have braces as I was doing my own teeth first, treating myself and I had to wait a long time so so should she.

think yours is worse.

Well if you've bothered to read the short threat on this you'll see I'm taking her for a 2nd opinion. But yes, the chances are I'll get mine first, if we decide she does need them. There's nothing wrong with that. I've been told by 2 dentists pretty much the same thing that there's a good chance my teeth will be more damaged if I don't act fairly soon. I know no dentist is going to tell my dd that. Are you saying that every child that doesn't have perfect teeth should get a brace, regardless?

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Wineandcupcakes · 11/09/2024 08:47

Funkyslippers · 11/09/2024 08:23

Your last sentence makes me rage! I can't imagine showing my dds posts on here from mums who you feel are 'so self centred'! "Look at this stupid person on Mumsnet, children, so self centred, oh here's another one, but I'd never be like that because I'm perfect so you don't have to worry!"
If it makes you feel better about yourself, crack on. Unbelievable

Well I can’t imagine telling my kid she couldn’t have braces as I was doing my own teeth first, treating myself and I had to wait a long time so so should she.

think yours is worse.

Wineandcupcakes · 11/09/2024 08:46

I’d always prioritise my child over me, so I’m also dismayed by your attitude, and your answer of well I had to wait a long time and am treating myself is shit.

you know she needs braces, just shes not bad enough for the nhs to pay for it.

i mean you do you. Enjoy your braces.

Gugug · 11/09/2024 08:43

Pandapandapandapandapanda · 10/09/2024 23:26

I paid 3k for my DC’s braces and their teeth were only slightly crooked. Not covered on the NHS.

You’re in your 40’s put your DD first. It is better the younger you are. Get her braces before you splurge on yourself.

Most dentists let you do 0% deals.

I love showing posts like yours to my kids to demonstrate just how self centred some parents are.

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You show your kids posts on mumsnet?

EliflurtleAndTheInfiniteMadness · 11/09/2024 08:39

PixieLaLar · 10/09/2024 21:20

Bloody hell people on this post are being ridiculous!

Did you all miss the part where OP said she enquired as to whether DD needed braces and was told no because its only minor crowding that is hardly noticeable.

No wonder teens are so entitled and think the are owed all sorts. Private orthodontics is expensive and Mum has every right to treat herself. Just like if she wanted highlights, a facial, a new car - does that mean DD must receive these things too just because she wants them?!

Except that this is being told to them by an NHS dentist who has a vested interest in saying no and it doen't necessarily mean she doesn't need them, just that shes not bad enough to qualify for it publically. If invisalign is so expensive maybe OP can afford 2 sets of train track braces with some scrimping. OP has enough concerns about her own teeth to do this expensive fix but thinks her DD is entitled to think her teeth should get fixed too. I needed braces as a teen, not bad enough to qualify for publicly and we couldn’t afford private, it's had a serious impact on my teeth, I've had a lot of fillings because of over crowding and am very self concious about how my teeth look. The public dentist said I didn't need braces, whether they were cost cutting or simply didn't know enough because they weren't an orthodontist the outcomes still the same. Decades of problems with my teeth.

Funkyslippers · 11/09/2024 08:23

Pandapandapandapandapanda · 10/09/2024 23:26

I paid 3k for my DC’s braces and their teeth were only slightly crooked. Not covered on the NHS.

You’re in your 40’s put your DD first. It is better the younger you are. Get her braces before you splurge on yourself.

Most dentists let you do 0% deals.

I love showing posts like yours to my kids to demonstrate just how self centred some parents are.

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Your last sentence makes me rage! I can't imagine showing my dds posts on here from mums who you feel are 'so self centred'! "Look at this stupid person on Mumsnet, children, so self centred, oh here's another one, but I'd never be like that because I'm perfect so you don't have to worry!"
If it makes you feel better about yourself, crack on. Unbelievable

OP posts:
Callaphone · 10/09/2024 23:36

I would at least get an appt and an estimate.

The NHS dental service is pretty skeletal. There's plenty of scope for them to be quite bad without being bad enough to qualify for NHS treatment. If we all told our mentally unwell DC that they didn't need any intervention because CAMHS said they weren't bad enough, the suicide rate in this country would go up. Women who have had cervical cancer no longer meet the NHS criteria for someone to look at their smear test cells, unless they first test positive for HPV. There are massive needs now going unmet round the edges of what reaches the NHS criteria.

Pandapandapandapandapanda · 10/09/2024 23:26

I paid 3k for my DC’s braces and their teeth were only slightly crooked. Not covered on the NHS.

You’re in your 40’s put your DD first. It is better the younger you are. Get her braces before you splurge on yourself.

Most dentists let you do 0% deals.

I love showing posts like yours to my kids to demonstrate just how self centred some parents are.

BurbageBrook · 10/09/2024 23:06

I think you are being unreasonable not to get braces for your DD tbh.

Wigtopia · 10/09/2024 22:59

Posters slating op for not getting daughter braces… the dentist said the daughter didn’t need them. I’m confused by the outrage

MSLRT · 10/09/2024 22:54

Overcrowding should still be corrected. We do the minimum in this country to kid’s teeth. Why shouldn’t they look good from a cosmetic point of view?

Seashellsbytheseashire · 10/09/2024 22:40

I can't imagine doing this in a million years. Of course she is upset. She will know her peers parents do these things and you've chosen not to for her, not because you can't but because you've chosen your own vanity over her happiness.

Justbecause19 · 10/09/2024 22:37

I would pay for braces for my children if they wanted them, it's very difficult to get them on the NHS. DH did it for DSS (after I persuaded him, his teeth were dreadful so he probably would have qualified on the NHS but wait times post covid were awful) , i thought the price was really reasonable for the standard 'train track' style braces. He paid interest free over 12 months and it was done. I wouldn't pay for Invisalign for a teen though!

Barkingshoes · 10/09/2024 22:34

Foxesandsquirrels · 10/09/2024 22:29

This is so untrue it's really not that difficult to get NHS braces and much will depend on your dentist/ ortho.

Not in my town!

please tell this woman who to see to get free braces!

Foxesandsquirrels · 10/09/2024 22:29

Barkingshoes · 10/09/2024 21:16

NHS braces - really only if a “need” if teeth impair speaking, eating / normal life functioning. They will say No, if not impacting life in this way.
Can always get them private. Invisalign are most expensive choice. Seems they are same price no matter how much work needs doing.
First visit, they photo your teeth, face & cost it up your choices.

Up to you if u want to pay, but don’t get her invisalign. Kids lose them.

This is so untrue it's really not that difficult to get NHS braces and much will depend on your dentist/ ortho.

TealPoet · 10/09/2024 22:22

I can totally understand why you were surprised but I don’t think she’s being a diva and I think your new plan is a good one. I suspect it’s quietly been upsetting her for a while and seeing you feel as if it’s worth acting on your own teeth made her feel like you cared less about hers - not true, of course, but a painful feeling. I’m sure there’s a good middle ground to be found here where you can both have good reason to smile and feel good when you do :)

AskZoltar · 10/09/2024 22:08

Have you thought that the reason she doesn't smile widely is because^^ she is conscious about her teeth? Irrespective of whether the dentist thinks the slight overcrowding is an issue, your daughter seems to think it is.

I'd have prioritised my child. I don't think she's being a diva and I do think you're being a bit unreasonable. Sorry, OP. 🤷🏻‍♀️

GoldOnyx · 10/09/2024 21:54

PixieLaLar · 10/09/2024 21:52

She doesn’t NEED braces. Shes already been seen by a dentist and they said it’s minimal crowding that’s obviously cosmetic.

The crowding may get worse as she gets older though. So it’s not just a cosmetic concern - also a health concern.

PixieLaLar · 10/09/2024 21:52

Precipice · 10/09/2024 21:38

Just like if she wanted highlights, a facial, a new car

Comparing braces to highlights (which absolutely nobody on earth needs), facials and cars is ridiculous.

She doesn’t NEED braces. Shes already been seen by a dentist and they said it’s minimal crowding that’s obviously cosmetic.

Precipice · 10/09/2024 21:38

Just like if she wanted highlights, a facial, a new car

Comparing braces to highlights (which absolutely nobody on earth needs), facials and cars is ridiculous.