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Is my dd being entitled?

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Funkyslippers · 10/09/2024 20:06

Few years ago at a routine dental check up for dd, we enquired as to whether she needed braces. She was told no as her teeth were not 'bad' enough. I had braces on the NHS as a kid, 40+ years ago but they were removable, I don't remember having them for long & wore no retainers so as a result they are only slightly better than they were. I've recently become quite self conscious about my teeth so decided to go for Invisalign. I thought I'd treat myself as I've recently got a new job with better pay. When dd found out she threw a strop saying if I'm getting braces why can't she? I explained that I've had to wait a long time to get mine & I was actually told by my dentist that due to my overbite there's an increased risk of damage to teeth as I get older if I don't get them corrected. Fwiw dd's teeth are a little on the overcrowded side but you'd hardly notice unless you look closely. Is she just being a diva or AIBU?

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Supernaturaldemons · 12/09/2024 08:23

Funkyslippers · 11/09/2024 10:17

Thank you very much for this

All these mums stating that they always prioritse their kids, I just don't believe it I'm afraid. Not even possible imo

It isn’t possible to always prioritise your kids?!

MyOtherCarisAVauxhallZafira · 12/09/2024 08:04

So you had your braces on the NHS, your daughter hasn't even had that opportunity. I would prioritise hers first, the threshold for braces on the NHS now is so high

Glittertwins · 12/09/2024 08:00

Brieonlybrie · 12/09/2024 06:24

The NHS threshold for braces is ridiculously high and not being 'bad enough' doesn't she wouldn't benefit from braces. Since we don't know your or her teeth, it is difficult to say but I couldn't image prioritising my braces over that of my child if we both need (or would benefit) fro. them.

Not only is it ridiculously high, the criteria has changed so some kids had the initial consultation but by the time they got to the top of the waiting list, they were no longer eligible for NHS funding.

NowImNotDoingIt · 12/09/2024 07:25

Funkyslippers · 10/09/2024 20:06

Few years ago at a routine dental check up for dd, we enquired as to whether she needed braces. She was told no as her teeth were not 'bad' enough. I had braces on the NHS as a kid, 40+ years ago but they were removable, I don't remember having them for long & wore no retainers so as a result they are only slightly better than they were. I've recently become quite self conscious about my teeth so decided to go for Invisalign. I thought I'd treat myself as I've recently got a new job with better pay. When dd found out she threw a strop saying if I'm getting braces why can't she? I explained that I've had to wait a long time to get mine & I was actually told by my dentist that due to my overbite there's an increased risk of damage to teeth as I get older if I don't get them corrected. Fwiw dd's teeth are a little on the overcrowded side but you'd hardly notice unless you look closely. Is she just being a diva or AIBU?

Just to clarify, did the dentist say she doesn't need them or that she wouldn't qualify because her teeth aren't "bad enough"?

Is he also an orthodontist?

CherryValley5 · 12/09/2024 06:55

Funkyslippers · 11/09/2024 15:54

Why do you think it happened overnight? Where did I say or imply that?

2 different local dentists were doing an open day for Invisalign. I went to both on different days recently as I'd been thinking about doing it for while. Both said pretty much the sane thing and demonstrated on the 3d scan that my overbite could lead to more dental problems in the future

Of course the dentist is going to tell you that. They’re looking to make money and Invisalign is a quick + easy buck for them. If your teeth have been fine for your entire adult life then the overbite isn’t going to suddenly cause problems that necessitates having orthodontic treatment ASAP.

If your DD has crowding then that makes teeth harder to clean, more bacteria gets trapped due to the tight spaces and therefore puts her at risk of early decay. Frankly, I’d be prioritising a young teenager’s oral health and self esteem. Her teeth are going to need to last another 70+ years!

Brieonlybrie · 12/09/2024 06:24

The NHS threshold for braces is ridiculously high and not being 'bad enough' doesn't she wouldn't benefit from braces. Since we don't know your or her teeth, it is difficult to say but I couldn't image prioritising my braces over that of my child if we both need (or would benefit) fro. them.

belge2 · 12/09/2024 06:19

All 3 of my kids have had expensive braces which luckily was mostly covered by insurance. If it wasn't I couldn't afford it. There is an obsession generally with perfect looking teeth I think and I got fed up with orthodontist saying oh let's do this and that for purely cosmetic reasons. At 60€ an appointment I felt it was a money making thing for them! Not sure what my point is, but do your own teeth and feel zero guilt !!! I don't think your daughter is entitled - just wants braces as sure so many of her friends do. This too shall pass! Goodluck

Dontsparethehorses · 12/09/2024 04:54

For me the key bit is you’re getting this done because your self conscious about it, no doubt teen dd feels the same way. If NHS won’t cover her dentist treatment you’ll have to have a conversation about how you would be able to budget for it but I don’t think she’s unreasonable to ask.

both my children are likely to need braces and I guess I better start saving based on comments here!!

Glittertwins · 12/09/2024 04:46

My dentist recommended that my teeth should be straightened out but I have years of dental history there. I was also given the options of fixed braces/invisalign too as well as having the treatment there or elsewhere so they weren't heavily pushing it.
Invisalign was very effective for me however I was very disciplined in keeping the trays in all day and only removing for meals. Only have to look for threads here to see posters disappointed and also admitting for not wearing them for hours on end.

RawBloomers · 11/09/2024 20:57

Funkyslippers · 11/09/2024 15:54

Why do you think it happened overnight? Where did I say or imply that?

2 different local dentists were doing an open day for Invisalign. I went to both on different days recently as I'd been thinking about doing it for while. Both said pretty much the sane thing and demonstrated on the 3d scan that my overbite could lead to more dental problems in the future

You went to open days for Invisalign and think that’s a good way to understand whether Invisalign is a good idea for you?

You really ought to go to a dentist who isn’t promoting a particular solution to find out what your options really are and what impact each would have.

CherryValley5 · 11/09/2024 20:05

Divebar2021 · 11/09/2024 16:50

Well now I know who’s raising all the obnoxious teenagers I come across. Would people genuinely kowtow to a teen who has a hissy fit because they’re not getting something they feel entitled to have.

My DD12 has train track braces on the NHS ( only 6 month wait). She most definitely would have wanted Invisalign because they’re a brand and she is very influenced by anything she sees online ( she couldn’t tell you if they’re any good or not). She’s very brand orientated and if I let her she would be a bit entitled i think. Eg she thinks she should be shopping in Space NK because I bought something there. These are tendencies that I need to continually work on but I certainly wouldn’t be rolling over if she had a strop about it. I would happy to have a sensible conversation and perhaps start a savings plan for treatment because there’s nothing wrong with waiting for something that you want.

OP’s DD is not being entitled and asking for heavily influenced, expensive Invisalign - she’s simply asking for braces to straighten her smile as unfortunately unlike your DD she doesn’t quality for NHS treatment. There’s a difference.

By the way, Invisalign is great and not just a social media trend. DD had it when she was 14.

Funkyslippers · 11/09/2024 19:38

Mirabai · 11/09/2024 16:01

Does DD have an overbite?

No

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Divebar2021 · 11/09/2024 16:50

Well now I know who’s raising all the obnoxious teenagers I come across. Would people genuinely kowtow to a teen who has a hissy fit because they’re not getting something they feel entitled to have.

My DD12 has train track braces on the NHS ( only 6 month wait). She most definitely would have wanted Invisalign because they’re a brand and she is very influenced by anything she sees online ( she couldn’t tell you if they’re any good or not). She’s very brand orientated and if I let her she would be a bit entitled i think. Eg she thinks she should be shopping in Space NK because I bought something there. These are tendencies that I need to continually work on but I certainly wouldn’t be rolling over if she had a strop about it. I would happy to have a sensible conversation and perhaps start a savings plan for treatment because there’s nothing wrong with waiting for something that you want.

Glittertwins · 11/09/2024 16:38

I am another one who had removable braces when a teenager and retainers were not a thing. Again, 30 years later and my teeth were starting to impact my jaw and bite so I had Invisalign.
DC teeth were starting to overlap at the bottom and because NHS treatment doesn't cover proactive treatment, we paid for the braces. Only have to look at parents and the grandparent to see genetics were not in their favour teeth straightness wise!!!

JusteanBiscuits · 11/09/2024 16:35

Funkyslippers · 11/09/2024 15:54

Why do you think it happened overnight? Where did I say or imply that?

2 different local dentists were doing an open day for Invisalign. I went to both on different days recently as I'd been thinking about doing it for while. Both said pretty much the sane thing and demonstrated on the 3d scan that my overbite could lead to more dental problems in the future

I would get a third opinion, as Invisalign will only help with mild to mild-moderate overbite, so if yours is causing dental issues it sounds like it is more than mild. We took independent advice as I was worried they were trying to sell me Invisalign

morellamalessdrama · 11/09/2024 16:35

I am in a similar position to you. I had removable braces about 30 years ago, wasn't given a retainer and now my teeth do not look great and I'm very self-conscious when I smile.

My son's teeth are not perfect and he does not qualify for NHS orthodontist treatment. We've decided to prioritise his teeth as he's a child and he'll have a much longer benefit from treatment than I would. He'll start his (private) treatment later this year. I'mhoping to do mine in a few years time.

CherryValley5 · 11/09/2024 16:02

Funkyslippers · 11/09/2024 15:54

Why do you think it happened overnight? Where did I say or imply that?

2 different local dentists were doing an open day for Invisalign. I went to both on different days recently as I'd been thinking about doing it for while. Both said pretty much the sane thing and demonstrated on the 3d scan that my overbite could lead to more dental problems in the future

You’re going to a regular dentist for Invisalign? Go to a proper orthodontist OP.

Mirabai · 11/09/2024 16:01

Funkyslippers · 11/09/2024 15:54

Why do you think it happened overnight? Where did I say or imply that?

2 different local dentists were doing an open day for Invisalign. I went to both on different days recently as I'd been thinking about doing it for while. Both said pretty much the sane thing and demonstrated on the 3d scan that my overbite could lead to more dental problems in the future

Does DD have an overbite?

Funkyslippers · 11/09/2024 15:54

Wineandcupcakes · 11/09/2024 10:49

Wow. Overnight too . Impressive.

Why do you think it happened overnight? Where did I say or imply that?

2 different local dentists were doing an open day for Invisalign. I went to both on different days recently as I'd been thinking about doing it for while. Both said pretty much the sane thing and demonstrated on the 3d scan that my overbite could lead to more dental problems in the future

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kisaki333 · 11/09/2024 15:52

I can share a bit from my own experience. I have slightly crooked/overcrowded teeth. Not bad enough to need any treatment. But enough that I've ALWAYS been very aware of them and avoid smiling at all costs in social situations. I know it's stupid but i can't help it. It really did affect my professional and personallife. People often think i am grumpy/sad when i am not at all. My mom didn't get retainers for her instead of me, but still, to this day, i am upset my parents never even thought to address the issue.
Then life happened, and like you only now at 40-ish, i am in a position to do something about it. But it would cost a lot and i now have a dd of my own. I want her to have a better life than i did. So i am saving the money and when she needs retainers she can get them right away. So she can show off her beautiful smile to the whole world. Obviously once we win the euromilions, I'll get inivisalign too 😇

Funkyslippers · 11/09/2024 15:51

Pandapandapandapandapanda · 11/09/2024 11:05

@Funkyslippers you will twist anything anyone says including dentists to justify splurging on your own teeth before fixing your own child's teeth.

My DC are adults now and read Mumsnet themselves and yes we discuss how self centred some parents are on here. Always putting their own needs first.

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Like I said, if it makes you feel better!

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Funkyslippers · 11/09/2024 15:50

Wineandcupcakes · 11/09/2024 10:50

Nah the op is choosing her vanity over her kids.

No, as I already said there are health issues involved with my teeth

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JusteanBiscuits · 11/09/2024 15:50

CherryValley5 · 11/09/2024 15:43

At our orthodontist train tracks are £2k, Invisalign are £4k - yours seem very expensive! DD had Invisalign too - we were so impressed

Our dentists doesn't do anything other than Invisalign so would have had to do it on referral to orthodontist.
.but yes, we've been REALLY impressed with Invisalign.

CherryValley5 · 11/09/2024 15:43

JusteanBiscuits · 11/09/2024 14:03

Train tracks would have been £3.5k each. Invisalign have been £4.5k for both (one child finishes his in two weeks and moves to a night retainer, the other needs them for longer so doesn't finish his for another 3 months)

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At our orthodontist train tracks are £2k, Invisalign are £4k - yours seem very expensive! DD had Invisalign too - we were so impressed

scratchyfannyofcocklane · 11/09/2024 14:21

It depends of whether or not the DD would be having braces purley for cosmetic reasons or whether her less than perfect teeth will impact on her dental health in years to come. If its the former then there is no way I'd be paying for it any more than I'd be paying for a boob job!
It's not selfish of the OP to put herself first on this occasion and the DD can pay for her own cosmetic treatments herself when she's earning....