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To ask if anyone is clued up on the challenge this week to VAT on school fees?

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feesss · 10/09/2024 14:18

we went to look round a school this morning and we obviously asked about VAT and the lady showing us round said there has been a challenge this week so it may not happen? Is anyone aware of this? I can’t see much online about it?

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twistyizzy · 01/12/2024 10:06

Lookslikemeemaw · 01/12/2024 10:00

Exactly, it just isn’t true. The same parents who are willing to send their kids to a private miles away from their home suddenly are demanding a state school has to be in walking distance… and claiming there’s no places available near them. My state school
was 4 miles from school, and I got a bus, a normal bus, like 100s of thousands of secondary children do all over the country.

You say it isn't true, I say it is and here is just 1 example (there are many, many more). So this parent will have to wait until Sept 26 for a state school place.

To ask if anyone is clued up on the challenge this week to VAT on school fees?
Lookslikemeemaw · 01/12/2024 10:00

SpringSt3p · 30/11/2024 17:04

Sorry but I’m just not going to go by your say so. More details are required re the 0 places as it’s very hard to believe in the current climate.

Exactly, it just isn’t true. The same parents who are willing to send their kids to a private miles away from their home suddenly are demanding a state school has to be in walking distance… and claiming there’s no places available near them. My state school
was 4 miles from school, and I got a bus, a normal bus, like 100s of thousands of secondary children do all over the country.

BotanicalGreen · 30/11/2024 23:00

Marchesman · 30/11/2024 19:20

@BotanicalGreen

"Oh FFS just grow up?"

And you believe that putting VAT on private education will rebuild "services decimated by the Tories"? How about Santa, or the Tooth Fairy?

I would put money on Mrsbabbecho being older than you.

I think you are quoting someone else. I don’t support the policy. However I agree that the poster is most likely older than me.

Marchesman · 30/11/2024 19:20

@BotanicalGreen

"Oh FFS just grow up?"

And you believe that putting VAT on private education will rebuild "services decimated by the Tories"? How about Santa, or the Tooth Fairy?

I would put money on Mrsbabbecho being older than you.

BotanicalGreen · 30/11/2024 18:59

Mrsbabbecho · 30/11/2024 16:50

Please don’t just dismiss it, give it a read. Walking groups in particular would be a great way to get that social interaction in a more healthy way.

Oh FFS just grow up. I suspect you are actually older than me judging by your repartie.

twistyizzy · 30/11/2024 18:46

Mrsbabbecho · 30/11/2024 18:43

It’s a tax on education services of people aged between 5 and 18, commonly referred to as children. The treating the electorate as idiots part would be claiming a policy that will be a net cost to the state will be used for ‘rebuilding services’ along with recruiting 6000 teachers, breakfast clubs and a mental health specialist in every school.

Edited

You mean the breakfast clubs that have now been put back to 2026?

twistyizzy · 30/11/2024 18:45

SpringSt3p · 30/11/2024 18:36

It’s not aimed at children it’s aimed at rebuilding services decimated by the Tories and as for treating the electorate as morons let’s look at Brexit, lockdown, Rwanda, stealth destruction of the NHS (and pretty much anything they touched)……

It is 100% aimed at children between the ages of 5-18 however will also bring in some uni students up to 19

twistyizzy · 30/11/2024 18:44

SpringSt3p · 30/11/2024 18:36

It’s not aimed at children it’s aimed at rebuilding services decimated by the Tories and as for treating the electorate as morons let’s look at Brexit, lockdown, Rwanda, stealth destruction of the NHS (and pretty much anything they touched)……

Funny, our Labour MP has a company selling holidays to Rwanda

Mrsbabbecho · 30/11/2024 18:43

SpringSt3p · 30/11/2024 18:36

It’s not aimed at children it’s aimed at rebuilding services decimated by the Tories and as for treating the electorate as morons let’s look at Brexit, lockdown, Rwanda, stealth destruction of the NHS (and pretty much anything they touched)……

It’s a tax on education services of people aged between 5 and 18, commonly referred to as children. The treating the electorate as idiots part would be claiming a policy that will be a net cost to the state will be used for ‘rebuilding services’ along with recruiting 6000 teachers, breakfast clubs and a mental health specialist in every school.

SpringSt3p · 30/11/2024 18:36

Mrsbabbecho · 30/11/2024 18:26

I think mainly because it’s aimed at children and partly because of it’s dishonest justification/treating the electorate as morons.

Left wing authoritative Governments always want to control education, it’s to be expected but they should be honest for their reasoning in policy making. Attempting to sell it as revenue making or linking independent schools to inadequate state school funding is treating the electorate as idiots and there’s going to be a lot of dissapointed idiots and upset children for absolutely no benefit.

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It’s not aimed at children it’s aimed at rebuilding services decimated by the Tories and as for treating the electorate as morons let’s look at Brexit, lockdown, Rwanda, stealth destruction of the NHS (and pretty much anything they touched)……

Mrsbabbecho · 30/11/2024 18:26

SerendipityJane · 30/11/2024 17:39

Trashing the economy for ideology is a proven political pursuit. Why are Labour getting it in the neck for it ?

I think mainly because it’s aimed at children and partly because of it’s dishonest justification/treating the electorate as morons.

Left wing authoritative Governments always want to control education, it’s to be expected but they should be honest for their reasoning in policy making. Attempting to sell it as revenue making or linking independent schools to inadequate state school funding is treating the electorate as idiots and there’s going to be a lot of dissapointed idiots and upset children for absolutely no benefit.

SerendipityJane · 30/11/2024 17:39

Xenia · 30/11/2024 17:32

I don't really think Labour are doing it for the money. They are doing it because they are against private schools. I hope the litigation is won however and the awful proposed change is struck down.

Trashing the economy for ideology is a proven political pursuit. Why are Labour getting it in the neck for it ?

Xenia · 30/11/2024 17:32

I don't really think Labour are doing it for the money. They are doing it because they are against private schools. I hope the litigation is won however and the awful proposed change is struck down.

twistyizzy · 30/11/2024 17:10

SpringSt3p · 30/11/2024 17:04

Sorry but I’m just not going to go by your say so. More details are required re the 0 places as it’s very hard to believe in the current climate.

That's fine it doesn't bother me either way. I work with the parent group against VAT though and I'm not going to post personal emails on demand

Morph22010 · 30/11/2024 17:04

twistyizzy · 30/11/2024 16:33

And the LA are then having to pay for taxi at a cost to the taxpayer. You see the irony?

It will depend on the journey, may be a bus pass. Transport isn’t provided in most la’s after year 11, so years 12 and 13 parent has to sort transport

SpringSt3p · 30/11/2024 17:04

twistyizzy · 30/11/2024 16:55

We have plenty of emails but they obviously contain personal details. Out of 300+ LAs there is email evidence of over 80 saying 0 places for the required year

Sorry but I’m just not going to go by your say so. More details are required re the 0 places as it’s very hard to believe in the current climate.

twistyizzy · 30/11/2024 16:55

SpringSt3p · 30/11/2024 16:33

Link?

We have plenty of emails but they obviously contain personal details. Out of 300+ LAs there is email evidence of over 80 saying 0 places for the required year

Mrsbabbecho · 30/11/2024 16:50

BotanicalGreen · 30/11/2024 16:42

Still drunk, Love?

Please don’t just dismiss it, give it a read. Walking groups in particular would be a great way to get that social interaction in a more healthy way.

Mrsbabbecho · 30/11/2024 16:46

Morph22010 · 30/11/2024 16:28

once the child is without a school place then the la can be requested to activate the fair access protocol which will means they have to be allocated a place. Unless there are spare places la won’t allocate a place whilst the child is still attending an indepdent school they have to be without a place, it may not be the school of choice or local one. If distance is over the maximum then the la provide arrangements for transport.

Am I being simple here, but wouldn’t it be better for everyone just to let parents continue to pay for their child’s education and transportation rather than the tax payer?

Such an odd policy.

BotanicalGreen · 30/11/2024 16:42

Still drunk, Love?

SpringSt3p · 30/11/2024 16:33

twistyizzy · 30/11/2024 16:32

No there are many LAs saying 0 places. Evidence exists of whole LAs, not individual schools. Lots of parents offered taxis paid by LA as no places in nearby schools. How does that save the taxpayer money?

Link?

twistyizzy · 30/11/2024 16:33

Morph22010 · 30/11/2024 16:28

once the child is without a school place then the la can be requested to activate the fair access protocol which will means they have to be allocated a place. Unless there are spare places la won’t allocate a place whilst the child is still attending an indepdent school they have to be without a place, it may not be the school of choice or local one. If distance is over the maximum then the la provide arrangements for transport.

And the LA are then having to pay for taxi at a cost to the taxpayer. You see the irony?

twistyizzy · 30/11/2024 16:32

SpringSt3p · 30/11/2024 16:13

No but I’m sure there will be places if parents look properly. Focusing on only one school with zero flexibility isn’t going to give you a place if a school is oversubscribed. There will be other options.

I guess it’s easier to declare there are no places when you don’t get your place of choice mid year. There are places. Sailing so close to the wind that you can’t find an extra £2k to finish 2 terms if say you lost your job or had a big bill doesn’t illustrate prudent financial planning. It’s not really the fault of anybody else that parents need to move mid year. This has been in the cards for some time.

No there are many LAs saying 0 places. Evidence exists of whole LAs, not individual schools. Lots of parents offered taxis paid by LA as no places in nearby schools. How does that save the taxpayer money?

BrightYellowTrain · 30/11/2024 16:31

Numbers aren't dropping in state secondaries yet, they are still bulge years up until 2029

That depends on the area. In some areas, rolls are dropping.

No child should be a child missing education, whether they have been in an independent school or not. Thankfully, even if there are no places, LAs can invoke the FAP and, if necessary, provide s19 provision in the meantime.

Morph22010 · 30/11/2024 16:28

twistyizzy · 30/11/2024 15:55

So it's fine for those kids to be out of education until Sept?

once the child is without a school place then the la can be requested to activate the fair access protocol which will means they have to be allocated a place. Unless there are spare places la won’t allocate a place whilst the child is still attending an indepdent school they have to be without a place, it may not be the school of choice or local one. If distance is over the maximum then the la provide arrangements for transport.