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To be worried my best friend is male, and what this means for future romantic relationships?

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FairTurtle · 10/09/2024 11:31

I'm female. My best friend is male. We hang out a lot, are close, know each other's families, etc. He's the person I call if I need help with something, or just need to talk about something. I also have lots of other (and women) friends btw, he just happens to be the closest. We are also geographically close, which has probably contributed to it.

There is zero attraction between us, romantically, sexually, or emotionally. I see him as a sibling/cousin. Always have, for the 8 years since we met. We share a background, are very used to and comfortable in each other's company, like similar films etc, but have wildly different worldviews, interests, and life plans, and desires of a romantic relationship. Nothing he could do, or say, would ever change the fact that I see him like a sibling. And vice versa.

Most of my exes have been pretty cool about this, and I don't necessary see it as an issue. He, however, has exes that have really disliked this. It makes me a bit sad, as it makes me think when he does meet someone and it becomes serious, he and I won't be able to be as close anymore. It would feel like a huge loss, like losing a family member. In the past I've perhaps been a little naive and thought it's odd to care about this - surely lots of people have opposite-sex friends - but I've since realised that it maybe is a bit unusual to have such a close personal friendship with someone of the opposite sex, when it's not part of a wider group, etc?

What do people think? Do you have a male best friend? Just looking for reassurance, I guess.

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FairTurtle · 10/09/2024 16:02

@TeenageSwans😂😂😂😂😂😂

Love this! And yes exactly re the second part. As if someone who might one day express sexual/romantic interest in an opposite-sex friend invalidates the entire concept of opposite sex friendships (in heteronormative contexts).

I'm so glad most people don't limit their lives and social circles by these silly rules.

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TeenageSwans · 10/09/2024 15:51

gannett · 10/09/2024 15:43

A question that never gets acknowledged or answered by the "men and women can't be friends" crew.

I guess if you only socialise with other heterosexual women, and the men around you only socialise with heterosexual men, and you think this is the natural order of things and anything that deviates is cause for suspicion, then the importance you place on traditional gender norms probably excludes bisexuals by default.

Yes, the 'men and women can't be friends' posters scoff at the question, but they never answer it. (Though I suspect what they would actually say, if being frank, would be 'Bisexuals are weird, anyway, and such a tiny percentage of the population that we don't have to consider their social lives and whether they cry themselves to sleep nightly because they're not allowed to be friends with anyone, and MY TIM is NOT ALLOWED bi friends, anyway.')

Mind you, the other thing that comes up all the time on these threads is 'I USED to have male friends until they all betrayed me one by one by making a pass at me -- they're only in it for the sex!'

Which is clearly intended as some kind of 'gotcha!' but I don't see why someone expressing a sexual interest in you is any kind of big deal, provided they back off if/when you say no. People have sex. People find other people sexually attractive. Sometimes someone you've known for forever can suddenly attract you. If everyone involved is free, just asking is no harm, IMO.

gannett · 10/09/2024 15:43

Bitchneyspears · 10/09/2024 15:06

How do people think bisexuals maintain friendships?

A question that never gets acknowledged or answered by the "men and women can't be friends" crew.

I guess if you only socialise with other heterosexual women, and the men around you only socialise with heterosexual men, and you think this is the natural order of things and anything that deviates is cause for suspicion, then the importance you place on traditional gender norms probably excludes bisexuals by default.

offyoujollywelltrot · 10/09/2024 15:42

FairTurtle · 10/09/2024 15:28

@offyoujollywelltrot @Bitchneyspears Haha, exactly! I'm glad I posted, I seriously cba with people who are weird about this or have this bizarre view that it's strange or unusual or "not how it should be."

You are clearly EXCELLENT. ✨

Thepeopleversuswork · 10/09/2024 15:36

It will only matter if any future partner you have has controlling and old fashioned ideas about friendship between men and women.

My (male) partner has always had female friends. From my perspective this is a good thing as it shows he treats women as equals and is able to communicate with them as opposed to putting them in a “sex only” box.

There are some situations where people have romantic relationships which masquerade as friendships and where there is emotional dependency. But this doesn’t sound like one of those. You will probably have to scale it back a bit if you get into a new relationship because you will inevitably want to prioritise the partner but that would apply equally with a close female friend.

It doesn’t have to be a problem.

FairTurtle · 10/09/2024 15:28

@offyoujollywelltrot @Bitchneyspears Haha, exactly! I'm glad I posted, I seriously cba with people who are weird about this or have this bizarre view that it's strange or unusual or "not how it should be."

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offyoujollywelltrot · 10/09/2024 15:08

Bitchneyspears · 10/09/2024 15:06

How do people think bisexuals maintain friendships?

MIC DROP

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Bitchneyspears · 10/09/2024 15:06

How do people think bisexuals maintain friendships?

OrdsallChord · 10/09/2024 15:00

There's enough of a possibility that it will be an issue for a future partner of either of you, that I can see why you'd worry.

FairTurtle · 10/09/2024 14:55

@Cantgetbehindtheradiator Love this!!!

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Cantgetbehindtheradiator · 10/09/2024 14:48

Most of my friends in my 20's were men. Had one I'd call a best friend, two very good friends and then a few others. As previous people have said I didn't really think of them as male friends, they were/are just my friends! Did have quite a bit of eye rolling from people who didn't know better about my bestie, but just was never going to happen. We're in our 30's now and I'm still close with the main 3 and in touch with the majority of the others, but we've all married and don't have the time for friendships that we used to. I had a Man of Honour at my wedding, he's godfather to my kids. Would say when we coupled up that just enhanced the friendship vibes. I love their spouses and they get on well with mine. We hang out mostly as families these days, it's very nice. I only lost one out of the lot because his now wife didn't like him having female friends. I rarely seem to see anyone without their kids/families in tow at the moment, whether male or female!!

One thing I was not prepared for though is when it came to the weddings they all had stags and invited my partner. It makes sense, I understand it, but I still hated it at the time. They were my friends 😂 I wanted to be there celebrating with them!!! Didn't go on the equivalent hens as I was the guys mate, and missed the stags because I'm a woman. Sucked!!

As an aside my DH has 3 best friends, been besties since childhood. 1 man and 2 women. The majority of his friendship group is female, and it's gone similarly to mine tbh. He had a best woman! We hang out en masse a lot. He hangs out with the girls and also gets invited to stuff by the spouses. It all just kind of levels out.

Gogogo12345 · 10/09/2024 14:41

unmemorableusername · 10/09/2024 14:19

I wouldn't want a boyfriend with a female best friend.

Would you?

Wouldn't bother me. Why wouldn't you want a boyfriend with a female friend?

FairTurtle · 10/09/2024 14:35

@gannett I'm glad to hear you say MN has strange views on this topic. Most of my real-life friends agree with me, but it is a bit worrying seeing so many comments on here being like "oh come on"/"eventually something will happen" etc etc.

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gannett · 10/09/2024 14:29

FairTurtle · 10/09/2024 12:28

@gannett I love this - thanks so much! This is how I feel entirely, and what it's like for me. I'm also just quite a friendly person, like meeting new people etc, and whilst I'd never do anything to make a partner feel insecure (like suddenly befriending a new man and hanging out at all hours constantly etc), I'd like to think that I'm still at liberty to maintain and develop new friendships with people, regardless of gender.

Well exactly. The reasons my friends are my friends are because our personalities gel, we have common interests and values, we like doing the same activities, we go to the same events etc. None of which is based on anyone's genitalia or sexuality. It's quite weird to think of them as "my male friends" and "my female friends" and outside of MN, which is a very strange place on this topic, I don't! I'm very thankful my social circle doesn't operate on gender-segregated lines.

Part of being able to maintain opposite-sex friendships once everyone's in a relationship is having a mixed social circle to start with. If everyone you're friends with has been hanging out with both men and women in various combinations for the past 20 years, it's unlikely that anyone can spring some "men and women can't be friends" nonsense on us.

FairTurtle · 10/09/2024 14:21

@unmemorableusername If you're asking me...given my post and the fact I have a male best friend, obviously I wouldn't mind.

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unmemorableusername · 10/09/2024 14:19

I wouldn't want a boyfriend with a female best friend.

Would you?

Warmfeet · 10/09/2024 14:18

I think sometimes the man is so worried about being disrespectful to his partner that he will naturally back off. And that's fine, but it does change the friendship.

Gogogo12345 · 10/09/2024 14:15

I have a very close male friend who I've been friends with since 1998. He was married then, since divorced and remarried nearly 20 years. I got on with both his wives but he is still the " friend" not them. Never been an issue.

I've also been in various long term relationships through this time.

If a potential partner started giving me grief about seeing friend then I wouldn't be with them

TheOliveGoose · 10/09/2024 14:14

FairTurtle · 10/09/2024 13:44

@TheOliveGoose The "he's like a brother" retort is because I also have brothers, and I am close to them, and my relationship with my friend is of a very similar dynamic.

I mean, you're right - I am defensive, given the context of what I am saying i.e. we really are just close friends, sibling-like, and am worried the friendship could become difficult based on his future choice of partner. That's literally the point of this thread. I'm not trying to too hard - I'm just trying to get across the point that there is no romantic/sexual chemistry, given how many people on this thread are suggesting that that can rarely be the case...

It won't become difficult based on his future choice in partner. If he values you he won't ditch you, if he doesn't he will and he wasn't 'like a brother' after all. Only he and you can end your friendship. His future partner doesn't have that power and it is imo strange that you would even think that she might. Can people make you end your friendships against your will? Your friends isn't some passive little lamb that may get eaten up by a woman, he is í presume a full grown man who can make his own decisions as to whether or not he wants you in his life.

Scottishskifun · 10/09/2024 14:13

My DH best friend is female and he has more female friends then male.
I can't say it bothers me but his best friend was very conscious in the early days of us going out to including me, not to have insider conversations or remember when we did x conversations for quite a while etc.

But I would say I'm secure and independent and some of my friends said arent you bothered by x to which my response was why should I be. For some women another female can bring out the worst especially if they have had experiences of being cheated on etc.

He did have one female friend I took an instant dislike to but with good reason. She deliberately spent hours reminiscing, had a "debate" with me about my job (aka lectured me) and tried to sit on his lap with me next to him in the pub....to which he said there's a seat over there. She later sent him a text saying how they were always meant to be and basically to get rid of me......that one backfired spectacularly.

mamajong · 10/09/2024 14:09

I have male friends, the key is to be open and non threatening, don't get involved in their relationship and some things such as nights away will always be off limits. Make an effort with your friends partners, engage with them and be respectful of boundaries. It is possible

FairTurtle · 10/09/2024 14:07

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I feel sorry for you. Genuinely.

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FairTurtle · 10/09/2024 14:02

@GRex Yes, absolutely agree!

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GRex · 10/09/2024 14:01

I think all close friendships take some level of back-step when one or other gets married. At least with successful marriages. With a partner, every minutiae of life gets shared; what you're doing in the future, money, children, families, shopping, a bed, holidays... even a very close friend can never be as close as that one person you literally chose to share your whole life with. That doesn't mean that all friendships fall by the wayside. I always had many good male friends who I still see; one of them I'm closer to his wife now and another is closer to my DH, the others I see more out in a group. DH has some female friends he sees, though they were never as close. I don't feel there is any loss, it's just a natural stage of life.

Don't over-think it based on random posters, but it is good to keep a wider circle in any event. Not one best friend but 5, keep life as full as possible.

FairTurtle · 10/09/2024 14:01

@Nickyknockers I mean, I share my "innermost thoughts" with him the same way as I share what's going on with me with other (female) friends. We just happen to see each other more, due to the reasons I listed above (mostly geography, and shared history). It's not some romantic, candle-lit dinner, looking into each others' eyes type sharing.

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