Identity Cards: yes or no?

Why not just a government controlled viewing and listening device in your own home, which has to be active 24/7, with it being a criminal offence to obscure it or avoid observation for any period, and a squad of police state troopers in every residential building to "protect" law-abiding citizens from anyone deemed a criminal?

This thread is full of people actively clamouring for ramped-up state surveillance, interference, restriction of civil liberty, presumption of guilt, and no right to anonymity. It's absolutely mind-boggling.

Yes, I know someone who couldn't vote as they had no ID and couldn't get Voter ID either.

So what percentage of those convicted is commited by repeat offenders...? Who all already have their biometrics on file... (Keeping in mind those crimes that mean you can't reoffend too).

I'm not so sure the issue is necessarily catching people that's an issue. I think the issue relating to reoffending needs to be firmly on the radar here.

You’d never find a black market for fake IDs. Oh no that doesn’t happen now so certainly wouldn’t happen with a state run ID. It would be so wholesome, not racist, not discriminatory and not at all used to harass people authorities felt were deserving of harassment.

and then there’s cost. If an ID were to be a legal requirement they’d have to be free not £90 for a few years.

Although the French don’t have mandatory ID cards either…so I suspect not!

The word 'perhaps' is doing a lot of work in that sentence. You've also added a number of things to the initial ID card claim.

But again, how would ID cards prevent and detect crimes? You need to be specific. People who are up to no good and want to use their anonymity to assist with that don't tend to provide proof of identification while they do it. It's pretty common knowledge that fingerprints can be evidence, so gloves are used.

And then for crimes against the person, the majority happen with people who know each other and often in the victim's own home.

I don’t think it would tbh; I think people would just come up with new ways to commit criminal offences, undetected.

I also would not want my dna etc in a system - can you imagine all the ways in which that could go wrong?

I genuinely think they do tbh.

What's the problem? Illegal immigration and crime.
Oh so what's the solution?
Well ID cards will deffo stop people smugglers selling false promises and help illegal migrants learn Romanian instead. It will definitely stop the cash in hand work market. And it will stop criminal gangs working illegally. There will be no attempt to try and steal ID cards nor use this as an opportunity to further fleece vulnerable migrants.

Oh wait. No it won't.

Nor will it stop advocates of ID cards from being able to think coherently about what ID cards can and can't actually do.

A PASS card might be of use.

https://www.postoffice.co.uk/identity/pass-card

They do a version for under 16s.

@OrdsallChord
Perhaps if there were ID cards, facial recognition , finger prints then the detection of crimes would be so much easier. We have the technology and perhaps it should be used to protect law abiding citizens

Honestly I would love an id card even for children over 10 it wouod be great for ds to be able to prove he is still a child when he is taller than his own mother

I just think, do people reckon burglars are going to be scanning their ID before they rob your house?

Spot the Dead Cat policy.

Oh and let's not forget ID cards would be a really good solution instead of early intervention and better mental health support.

Obviously.

They'd run around catching criminals.

They would replace much needed police because this would be a better approach than recruiting more police.

Then we can jail these criminals in our prisons....

...hmmm.

Nah.

The police don't have the resources to investigate a lot of crimes, and people know this. There's a vast amount of crime that the police are never involved in at all. Also, lots of the most significant crime involves no question over identity. Think of how many rapes, assaults and murders are between people who know each other already.

People aren't committing and getting away with crimes because they don't have ID cards. You don't have to make an application with photo identification in order to be accepted for county lines.

Can’t wait! 🤣

Chips in the brain?

Elon's on the case!

Hmmm that's not just Brexit though is it? Could apply equally to Windrush. And what happens in the process of getting your ID card? How do you prove you are eligible for one?

🤣🤣 I reckon in 30 years time the govt will be advocating for that!

@OrdsallChord
The police would be able to track people more easily, those without ID clearly would be illegal. People would know they were being tracked which would reduce likelyhood of offending

How would ID cards reduce crime?

Once people had the identity card there would not be such an issue - I know things can be lost but everyone would have this document who lived here legally, tracing people would be easier and crime would reduce. The government are talking about facial recognition which would be linked to this.

You clearly didn't have to produce 6" of documents proving that for each and every year of the preceding 20+ years your spouse had been living in the UK just so they could continue living in the UK because some gammony fuckwits don't like people speaking funny in the bus queue.

We had them in a European & an Asian country. They were linked to our home rental, bank account, car purchase & insurance etc. We were fingerprinted in Europe but not Asia.
No objection at all.