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Or should GP surgery's not be allowed to advertise themselves as 'pro-life'?

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Clownwithafrown · 08/09/2024 22:15

I'm job hunting and came across an ad for a medical receptionist at a GP surgery. I wasn't sure where exactly this particular surgery was so googled it and this statement was on the home page; 'The Doctors here at xxxx Surgery are committed to a 'pro-life' policy. This means that the Doctors value each individual’s 'life' from conception to natural death.'

I'm not reading that wrong am I, they are stating that they're anti abortion aren't they? Surely that shouldn't be allowed at an NHS practice should it? I'm a bit gobsmacked that it's blatantly there on the home page, literally the first thing you see when you click on the site. And it clearly means all the doctors, I mean obviously people don't have to register with that surgery but for there to be no options for those who already are registered just doesn't seem right to me. Does anyone know if this is actually allowed?

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Quodraceratops · 09/09/2024 07:46

I'm very shocked by that. I'd interpret that as them being terrible on contraception, morning after pill, abortion and palliative care.

User56473 · 09/09/2024 07:22

GirlOfThe70s · 09/09/2024 07:08

I live in a village with only one GP. He will not refer for terminations, nor will he prescribe the morning-after pill.

Its incredibly difficult getting an abortion in a rural area. I found it hard to arrange around childcare and had to travel about 30 miles which would have probably been impossible without my own car. Imagine a young girl or single mum who doesn't drive, or someone who wants to keep it from an abusive partner. Its disgusting that there are so called professionals in the UK blocking women from accessing a perfectly legal and vital part of healthcare. It's not publicised so people don't realise it's going on. Thank goodness they kept the mail order pill scheme going, although that won't be appropriate in many situations.

PermanentTemporary · 09/09/2024 07:17

@GirlOfThe70s would he at least tell a woman she can get it over the counter at a pharmacy?

ObliviousCoalmine · 09/09/2024 07:16

I wouldn't register with them or work for them.

No, I don't think a medical provider should be able to refuse to give legal medical care to a woman who needs it.

GirlOfThe70s · 09/09/2024 07:08

I live in a village with only one GP. He will not refer for terminations, nor will he prescribe the morning-after pill.

CurlewKate · 09/09/2024 07:04

@olympicsrock " They must refer to alternative services. They are simply informing their staff / patients of the policy so that patients know the score."

If you needed an abortion how would you know that?

StuckOnTheCeiling · 09/09/2024 07:00

copingwithreception · 09/09/2024 00:38

I agree with you they should know what the term means - I think it’s an offensive mistake looking at the policy ? They need to amend it as they seem to offer all the services you’d expect ? So ‘pro life’ is just not correct

They do not offer all the services I expect from a GP.

They do not offer many popular forms of contraception - IUDs, the implant.

They do not offer the morning after pill.

They will not refer a patient for an abortion if requested.

For all of these they would, if requested, refer you to another GP (or pharmacist for MAP), for you to request that they provide the contraception or refer you for an abortion. Given that timelines are already tight for abortions and many women already wait longer than they should, this would delay things even further.

CurlewKate · 09/09/2024 06:57

Absolutely outrageous. No HCP should be forced to act against their conscience-but must refer patients on to someone else. This statement would potentially put off women seeking help in a situation where time is of the essence. Oh and @YankSplaining "I’ve heard several stories about women who were very clear with their doctors that they weren’t going to have an abortion, only to have the doctors keep bringing it up again and again."
Yeah, sure you have.

highdaysandholudays · 09/09/2024 06:45

I'm going to be asking about this at work today. I've never come across such a bizarre statement. It's the thin end of the wedge. I would be deeply uncomfortable about working in a practice where the GP s feel comfortable putting a statement out like this. Nothing about this is ok.

olympicsrock · 09/09/2024 06:36

It’s perfectly reasonable for GPs / any doctor to have strong views on abortion. In a particular area people may be more likely to be a particular religion and work together.

They must refer to alternative services. They are simply informing their staff / patients of the policy so that patients know the score.

letmego24 · 09/09/2024 04:31

ThomasPatrickKeatingsDegas · 08/09/2024 23:03

Unbelievable! Please write to your MP for clarification about this. I’m Christian (Anglican) and I think this is absolutely abhorrent. I had to have a late abortion because the baby’s heart wasn’t beating and I didn’t miscarry naturally. It was hideous but I could have died without it. All women should have the choice to do this, no women should have to go to their GP then be turned away by a prolifer, especially if there is domestic abuse, where is the duty of care. I’m sorry doctors shouldn’t be practicing in a NHS GP surgery if there pro life views impact patients. Surgeries are so over prescribed these days women may not have the choice of choosing an alternative. (Or they may not even advertise their pro life views when new patients sign up)

This would be for a gynae ref rather than GP.

sashh · 09/09/2024 04:22

copingwithreception · 09/09/2024 00:35

This is the policy

So they don't offer the MAP then.

YankSplaining · 09/09/2024 04:16

TempestTost · 09/09/2024 00:33

Conscientious objection is protected under the law the same way that if euthanasia ever became legal doctors would not be obligated to do it. There is a lot lost if people who have different views around things like when it is or is not ok to end life are prevented from entering medical practice.

FWIW, there are women who would prefer a practice that is pro life, I've known a number of Catholic women who felt really pressured by doctors or belittled and wanted doctors who shared or at least respected their religious beliefs and were able to make recommendations within those parameters.

This comment is really important. I would think that a pro-life doctor could also be important for a woman to have if she’s decided to have a baby who has a condition that would lead lots of people to have an abortion - developmental disabilities, a serious heart condition, or what have you. I’ve heard several stories about women who were very clear with their doctors that they weren’t going to have an abortion, only to have the doctors keep bringing it up again and again.

mm81736 · 09/09/2024 04:08

ThomasPatrickKeatingsDegas · 08/09/2024 23:03

Unbelievable! Please write to your MP for clarification about this. I’m Christian (Anglican) and I think this is absolutely abhorrent. I had to have a late abortion because the baby’s heart wasn’t beating and I didn’t miscarry naturally. It was hideous but I could have died without it. All women should have the choice to do this, no women should have to go to their GP then be turned away by a prolifer, especially if there is domestic abuse, where is the duty of care. I’m sorry doctors shouldn’t be practicing in a NHS GP surgery if there pro life views impact patients. Surgeries are so over prescribed these days women may not have the choice of choosing an alternative. (Or they may not even advertise their pro life views when new patients sign up)

I sorry to hear of yoir loss, but It wasn't a termination of pregnancy your case though was it?

Happyinarcon · 09/09/2024 04:07

I would prefer it if surgeries were open about their policies. I think women seeking terminations need specialist support and counseling rather than being squeezed in between covid vaccinations

EliflurtleAndTheInfiniteMadness · 09/09/2024 03:55

SaffronsMadAboutMe · 08/09/2024 22:28

For them to have that on their website, I wonder if it means they only accept doctors at that surgery who are pro life?

Are they allowed to discriminate and not take on doctors who aren't?

I expect you'd be required to only refer patients that need that service and not speak to them about their options. Where I live there are catholic hospitals that have some areas government funded, like maternity and birth. They won't do anything related to contraceptives, no tubes tied during csection, no information about contraceptives at discharge. Some of the OBs and paediatricians that work there don't hold the same beliefs. I didnt ask but one of the doctors said to me post birth, "We're not allowed to discuss contraceptives, but please consider you're contraceptive needs and see your GP if necessary." If you wanted your tubes tied they would refer you to the other bigger, wholly public hospital.

NeedBiggerWindChimes · 09/09/2024 03:12

I think it's good they advertise themselves as such and are clear and upfront about their policies in that regard. At least this way women know what to expect before they attend, or can choose to go somewhere else for particular advice.

jimmyhill · 09/09/2024 01:22

Haroldwilson · 08/09/2024 22:52

They're allowed, rightly or wrongly. At least they are signposting it clearly rather than letting women register then find out they can't access basic services. I wonder if they also refuse IVF, morning after pill etc.

They don't refuse the pill. Their website says:

"We provide advice on the risks and benefits of all methods of contraception. We provide the oral contraceptive pill (both combined and mini-pill) and the contraceptive injection.
We will refer patients to the appropriate service provider for contraceptive implants, intrauterine devices, emergency contraception and requests for termination of pregnancy."

St Peter's Surgery Walsall

Cantbelievethatimafoolagain · 09/09/2024 01:12

What do they google reviews for that go surgery say?

Dweetfidilove · 09/09/2024 01:08

Itabsolutelyispossible · 08/09/2024 22:21

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1967/87/section/4

Conscientious objection is protected by law.

But I think @meganna is right in saying that they must ensure you are referred to someone who will provide the service.

This.

It is permissible in NHS practices, as it's not illegal to do so.

thecrossiamwearing · 09/09/2024 01:05

Perhaps it is something to do with the religion of the doctors concerned?

thecrossiamwearing · 09/09/2024 00:59

Very easy to see what surgery that is by googling the words.

GreenTeaLikesMe · 09/09/2024 00:55

As I understand, GPs are private practitioners in a sense, although they work with the NHS. I guess they can advertise what beliefs they like, even though I may not agree with them.

At least you know which one to avoid, if you feel strongly about this issue!

Lorelaigilmore88 · 09/09/2024 00:51

soberholic · 09/09/2024 00:48

If the babies heart wasn't beating - it's not an abortion, it's a missed miscarriage that you had (I don't know how to say this delicately, I'm sorry) cleaned out.
A harrowing experience, I hope you're in a good place emotionally now.

There's PLENTY of words you could have used rather than that! What is the matter with you.

soberholic · 09/09/2024 00:48

ThomasPatrickKeatingsDegas · 08/09/2024 23:03

Unbelievable! Please write to your MP for clarification about this. I’m Christian (Anglican) and I think this is absolutely abhorrent. I had to have a late abortion because the baby’s heart wasn’t beating and I didn’t miscarry naturally. It was hideous but I could have died without it. All women should have the choice to do this, no women should have to go to their GP then be turned away by a prolifer, especially if there is domestic abuse, where is the duty of care. I’m sorry doctors shouldn’t be practicing in a NHS GP surgery if there pro life views impact patients. Surgeries are so over prescribed these days women may not have the choice of choosing an alternative. (Or they may not even advertise their pro life views when new patients sign up)

If the babies heart wasn't beating - it's not an abortion, it's a missed miscarriage that you had (I don't know how to say this delicately, I'm sorry) cleaned out.
A harrowing experience, I hope you're in a good place emotionally now.