Or should GP surgery's not be allowed to advertise themselves as 'pro-life'?

I wasn't this poster, but if you look at the quote history, it's clear that this is in relation to babies with down syndrome (so the 24w limit doesn't apply).

There have been well publicised cases in the media of women being 'asked' about termination repeatedly in those instances, including in labour, even where mum has been very clear that she wants to have the baby.

Thats what she was talking about, not regular 'in demand' abortions.

Edited to add: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-51658631.amp

This is a BBC article, one woman said she was offered a termination 15 times. Another was offered one at 38w and was told she could terminate until the baby was travelling down the birth canal. So some women are put under a lot of pressure.

I'm not surprised you believe thst if you get your information from vile organisations like The Christian Institute.

Do you really think there are women who have unplanned pregnancies and think it would be a good idea to string it out and abort late in pregnancy? Just for kicks?

Late term pregnancies are a tiny percentage or abortions and just about always due to awful circumstances.

@IDontHateRainbows i should have been clearer -
‘Accessible to all in a timely manner’

abortion is not decriminalised in the UK and the 1967 act allowing it makes it problematic for many women to access. I assumed there was awareness of the many obstacles that women face because of the provisions of the act and the actions of anti abortion campaigners across the country.

I've heard about this too. I think, until the baby is in the birth canal it's still legal to abort - injection into the heart I believe.

The women are pressured right up until the last minute

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I think it’s really shitty that it’s the whole practice. To be honest I think it’s really shitty that it’s even one of them. Not that they have those feelings, but that they choose to both advertise them and act on them to the extent that it makes it harder for women to access the services.

It’s hard enough to get a doctors appointment these days, let alone cherry pick in order to reach somebody that will give you access to difficult and time sensitive services. And imagine doing something that is often hard for women and then knowing you have to run the gauntlet of one of these arseholes. And what about the woman that finds out that she’s pregnant by accident, and then is inadvertently seeing a doctor that judges against abortion. Or maybe a woman that’s had an abortion in the past and now feels that she might be judged based on that. We’re not exactly in the time where we have free and easy access to Doctors.

But safe and legal abortion is available in the uk

abortion isn’t murder you moron, get a grip.

Are you aware that an abortion is basically murdering the most vulnerable and unable to protect themselves and not all doctors want to have anything to do with that

get another job then.

I know that’s how it is, don’t patronise me. I’m not wrong, it’s my opinion. Go into another career if you don’t agree with such a fundamental right for women.

Service provision is the responsibility of the govt and provider. Not everyone agrees with it or at least wants to be part of it.

No you're wrong , it's the case that doctors don't have to have a part in termination but they have to provide contact for the service. That's how it is, like it or not.

These misogynistic, medieval, shitty attitudes have no place in the NHS. Conscientious objection is bull and shouldn’t be allowed. You’ve no business being in a medical profession with views like this. Go and find another job where your shitty views don’t affect women.

Well the ToP services are sign posted to by all GPs - mostly to clinics. HCPs aren't under obligation to do the bidding of patients no matter what, they work within their role and competences. Termination of pregnancy is a situation outside of normal healthcare which is provided for either by Gps signposting or if late/ medically indicated by Obs & Gynae cons.

I take it from your response that you struggle with reading comprehension or are a forced birther deliberately trying to conflate businesses providing services with individuals.

HCPs can do what they like but the business should provide the services we are all paying for and which they are contracted to provide.

That is the current legal and GMC guidance.
I'm not sure if the website was just clumsily worded maybe OP can clarify with them?

Being offered and being pressured are entirely different things.

And making medical setting a place where women are intimidated out of asking for help because the providers have shared their personal prejudices is unacceptable.

For clarity. I don't think HCPs should be forced to do anything they consider unethical. But I do think they should be forced to ensure that anyone can access legal medical care, even if they don't provide it themselves.

Exactly. People talk as if we have no human rights!! What we trained to heal and harm no one suddenly because people pay taxes they think it's ok to tell us we have to assist people to die now. That's not a doctors job, quite the opposite in fac. If euthanasia came in it would be authorised by government and they can create a role for that. It's not a doctor role.

You're very naive if you think there aren't HCPs out there who will do all they can to block access to abortion. Someone up thread said they have worked with plenty

That was me, and for clarity I wrote "some" rather than "plenty" - as in while it wasn't a majority it wasn't an insignificane number either

Interestingly they too claimed to signpost elsewhere while actually doing everything they could to delay, which is why your point about the naivety around this is valid

It's all very well folk repeating "they'll signpost!!" like some kind of mantra, but experience teaches that it isn't always as simple as this - and all because some expect to impose the consequences of their personal beliefs on others

I think the feeling pressured thing is a fair point. It is such an important decision that I think women have to be helped to make the decision that is right for them. Pressure also comes from families and partners to either have or not have an abortion. Through all of that women have to negotiate a path that is right for them.

Including women who were offered abortions for Downs Syndrome up to birth.

So I take it from your response that GPs should not be allowed to be pro life and still practice medicine. So you would amend the 67 Act and GMC guidelines.
That's good to know.
If they bring in assisted dying, will all doctors contracted to the NHS be obliged to provide the service irrespective of their belief?

Practices are businesses contracting to provide services in primary health care. A key part of those contracted services include women's reproductive services.

There should be no opt out for businesses being paid to provide services in women's health to the NHS. If individual HCPs want to opt out and specialise in a different area of primary health then fine but the business should also be employing people to do the damned job the tax payer is paying for.

The notion that women can simply nip over to another surgery is deluded - its hard to get into a practice at all in many areas without the NHS contracting incomplete services in some areas.