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To think this message was not terrible and Husband is over reacting?

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PointToItOnThePage · 08/09/2024 19:44

My husband has read messages on my phone of a group chat between a few friends.

The subject was another friends step children and an issue she had with them. A few people replied talking generally about how they couldn't deal with step children, don't know how you cope etc...

My response to the general conversation was:

'It is hard. X & Y (my stepchildrens names) are really good kids but it's not easy. I must admit I think anyone who can love them like their own is a saint, I certainly couldn't".

And then to another part of the discussion between the other people in the chat who were discussing their teenage stepchild leaving a mess everywhere:

"It definitely grates on you more when it isn't your child for sure".

The above were my only responses during this conversation.

I am quite furious that he's taken it upon himself to read through my messages but I suppose that's another thread. He thinks I'm totally unreasonable for the above, I think it was a private conversation between friends and nothing I said was actually that terrible and he's being wholly OTT to act as though what I said is a heinous marital crime.

I do a lot for my two DSC, I try my absolute best, I don't always get it right but I'm not a bad step parent and I've put myself last many many times to ensure what's best for the children is done. I don't think I deserve the grief over two messages that I really can't see are so terrible.

WIBU?

OP posts:
Bigglesbob · 08/09/2024 21:53

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Emck3334 · 08/09/2024 21:51

Going through your phone js not okay if it's a boundary you have set so that is another issue. However if I had read these messages I would be upset. My partner is step dad to my children and says he loves them as his own. We also have a dd together and he is clear he feels the same towards her as the others. So perhaps the problem is that you think the way you do?

PointToItOnThePage · 08/09/2024 21:50

WiddlinDiddlin · 08/09/2024 21:32

@Secondchoiceornot Where did the OP 'slag off' his kids though?

She said it's harder to tolerate the normal annoying things kids do, and that she doesn't love them the same way she loves her kids.

That is a fuck of a long way from 'slagging them off' in fact it is really not about them at all!

This is what I thought about the slagging off comments too. I don't feel I've said anything personal about the children at all to be honest, more just about step parenting in general and how it's difficult. Which it is!

I agree with PPs though we clearly need a conversation about expectations.

OP posts:
lightsandtunnels · 08/09/2024 21:49

offyoujollywelltrot · 08/09/2024 20:27

No it doesn't, it reads like she is trying hard and she's human just like everyone else. Stop villainising her.

I didn't say she was wicked or malicious.

My opinion is that the OP's response was not favourable about her SCs. You don't have to agree with me.

DavidBeckhamsrightfoot · 08/09/2024 21:49

PointToItOnThePage · 08/09/2024 21:47

This is exactly what I've said. I'm not having for a moment that he's never moaned about me to his mates in the years we've been together. Of course he has.

As PP said too, he doesn't have a problem when it's our DC I'm ranting to a friend about because they got me up at 4am or are being particularly difficult that day or whatever.

Do not enter into further conversation with him about his kids

I would firmly tell him you haven't forgiven his disgusting violation and the complete loss of trust and that at prest you won't be performing any duties to his children. You'll be the kind fun friend who lives here.
So 100% of their care and needs is on him.
All cleaning, feeding, transporting

PointToItOnThePage · 08/09/2024 21:47

This is exactly what I've said. I'm not having for a moment that he's never moaned about me to his mates in the years we've been together. Of course he has.

As PP said too, he doesn't have a problem when it's our DC I'm ranting to a friend about because they got me up at 4am or are being particularly difficult that day or whatever.

OP posts:
DavidBeckhamsrightfoot · 08/09/2024 21:47

Mumof2namechange · 08/09/2024 21:46

Slating your own kids is clearly different, it's like being self deprecating.

"Oh my Dc, he can be so annoying it does my head in"
Is clearly different to
"Oh my cousin's dc, he's so annoying it dpes my head in"

The first is normal. The second is bitchy. If you can't tell the difference, you don't understand basic social etiquette

How utterly stupid.

MrsSunshine2b · 08/09/2024 21:46

RedHotWings · 08/09/2024 21:43

What, if anything, do you think she has taken on?

She's taken on a life in which his kids will be present and he will be prioritising them at times. That's it. Neither legally, nor morally does she have parental responsibility for the children. They should not (and presumably do not) love her like they love their own mother. She is under no obligation to love them like she loves her own children. Beyond treating them kindly and being welcoming to them, she has no responsibilities to them.

Mumof2namechange · 08/09/2024 21:46

DavidBeckhamsrightfoot · 08/09/2024 21:44

Why can't she say it on a private and secure conversation with her own friends?

I don't need to I do it in person to the people I need to, I slate my own kids in every known fashion.

Slating your own kids is clearly different, it's like being self deprecating.

"Oh my Dc, he can be so annoying it does my head in"
Is clearly different to
"Oh my cousin's dc, he's so annoying it dpes my head in"

The first is normal. The second is bitchy. If you can't tell the difference, you don't understand basic social etiquette

DavidBeckhamsrightfoot · 08/09/2024 21:45

RedHotWings · 08/09/2024 21:43

What, if anything, do you think she has taken on?

You're failure to understand parental responsibility is the issue there.
Once you've educated yourself you'll understand your error. It's rather basic.

DavidBeckhamsrightfoot · 08/09/2024 21:44

Mumof2namechange · 08/09/2024 21:43

No, have you actually read what you quoted of me?

I said you don't have to love anyone's kids as much as your own. But don't go slating them on a group chat.

Do you slate your cousin's kids on a group chat? Maybe stop doing that

Why can't she say it on a private and secure conversation with her own friends?

I don't need to I do it in person to the people I need to, I slate my own kids in every known fashion.

theworldie · 08/09/2024 21:43

The response to the messages are irrelevant really.

For him to go through your messages like that is all kinds of wrong.

stripybobblehat · 08/09/2024 21:43

Mumof2namechange · 08/09/2024 21:31

No one is saying op has to love her SC as if they were her own, but there's a huge difference between that and slating them on a group chat.

A group chat is basically like shouting it in the street

No it's not

RedHotWings · 08/09/2024 21:43

DavidBeckhamsrightfoot · 08/09/2024 21:42

No she hasn't. At all.
You're wrong.

What, if anything, do you think she has taken on?

Mumof2namechange · 08/09/2024 21:43

DavidBeckhamsrightfoot · 08/09/2024 21:40

I have 3 children.
My cousin has 3 children.
We've known them all since their pregnancy.

Do you think I should love her children as I love my own?

No, have you actually read what you quoted of me?

I said you don't have to love anyone's kids as much as your own. But don't go slating them on a group chat.

Do you slate your cousin's kids on a group chat? Maybe stop doing that

DavidBeckhamsrightfoot · 08/09/2024 21:42

RedHotWings · 08/09/2024 21:41

She has taken on parental responsibilities for those kids. You haven't done so for your cousins.

No she hasn't. At all.
You're wrong.

MrsSunshine2b · 08/09/2024 21:42

How dare he read your messages and then berate you for the feelings you privately shared with your friends! I take it he is not a stepparent and has no ideas of the sacrifices you're making. I'd be tempted to nacho for a bit.

RedHotWings · 08/09/2024 21:41

DavidBeckhamsrightfoot · 08/09/2024 21:40

I have 3 children.
My cousin has 3 children.
We've known them all since their pregnancy.

Do you think I should love her children as I love my own?

She has taken on parental responsibilities for those kids. You haven't done so for your cousins.

DavidBeckhamsrightfoot · 08/09/2024 21:40

Mumof2namechange · 08/09/2024 21:39

Come on now. We gripe about our own kids but no one would say

"Anyone who could love X as much as Y would be a saint".

It's scornful and contemptuous.

I have 3 children.
My cousin has 3 children.
We've known them all since their pregnancy.

Do you think I should love her children as I love my own?

Mumof2namechange · 08/09/2024 21:39

Come on now. We gripe about our own kids but no one would say

"Anyone who could love X as much as Y would be a saint".

It's scornful and contemptuous.

DavidBeckhamsrightfoot · 08/09/2024 21:39

Mumof2namechange · 08/09/2024 21:37

She doesn't have to put up and shut up. But the tone of her statements about them was scornful and contemptuous.

She didn't say the exact words "I do love them, just not as much as my own"

She said anyone who could love them as much as their own would be "a saint". Really quite strongly scornful choice of word.

Once contempt is present in a relationship, there's no coming back from it generally

And there is nothing wrong with what she said.

She didn't have to sugar coat her feelings or make them more palatable because that's not her audience .

He's violated her. Not the other way around

Guess it's clear to see why the step kids are hard work if he's their role model

Mumof2namechange · 08/09/2024 21:37

DavidBeckhamsrightfoot · 08/09/2024 21:33

If parents didn't slate their kids Mumsnet wouldn't exist.
Neither would many mother and baby groups

Parents have slated their kids since the dawn of time.

I've seen Gorrilas and Lions sick of their kids bullshit

So why are step parents expected to love and tolerate children not their own yet have to shut up and put up.

Maybe these parents so desperate for love shouldn't ever have partners after they fail theor first relationship and their children's love should be enough for the rest of their lonely lives.

She doesn't have to put up and shut up. But the tone of her statements about them was scornful and contemptuous.

She didn't say the exact words "I do love them, just not as much as my own"

She said anyone who could love them as much as their own would be "a saint". Really quite strongly scornful choice of word.

Once contempt is present in a relationship, there's no coming back from it generally

RedHotWings · 08/09/2024 21:37

PointToItOnThePage · 08/09/2024 20:17

This is how I feel. I'm sure he's said some less than perfect things about me before to his friend/s.

Plus I was barely even involved in the conversation, it wasn't me needing a rant, what I said was more in support/solidarity to the person needing the said vent, not me venting if that makes sense!

I think that it was wrong of him to look at your phone and you are justified about being upset. It was, separately, also wrong of you to talk about your step kids in that manner and he is justified about being upset. I don't think either affects the other, they both need to be approached on their own terms. My personal view is that the tone of the conversation was unpleasant and, while it is entirely valid for you to feel the way you do, there is no reason to talk about it in that fashion. Beyond that, I think a lot depends on your relationship and how good and respectful he is towards you generally, and how well you fulfil your parental responsibilities generally.

banality101 · 08/09/2024 21:36

*Do I have to delete mine?
Or is it OK because I'm their bio mum?
Is it OK for me to complain about them being messy and probably all the things OP has
Said?

I would ask if my DH should divorce me but he told me our 5 year old was being a twat after she was in bed last night.
*
Oh, in that case I'll keep the messages and if DP moans at me I'll say that I'm just treating them like my own given that I would be allowed to moan about my own DC to my friends without some posters acting as if the world is ending.

TheShellBeach · 08/09/2024 21:34

Duckingella · 08/09/2024 21:22

Look stop giving the OP grief over not loving her SC like her own;some people just don't,we don't know the ins and outs of the situation.

This is so true.
The trouble is, the biological parent just cannot countenance that someone else doesn't have unconditional love for their children.