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to expect my dd 14 to act a little more mature and help out with newborn

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the3e7s · 08/09/2024 16:52

Just had a baby and of course really stressful husband has gone back to work and could use a bit more of a hand just with little things. Don't get me wrong I'm not expecting my dd to ever miss out on seeing her friends to help me or anything like that I just would like a bit more of a "mature attitude" and willingness to offer a hand with a few things if she's home. I do think she needs to grow up a little for example I needed something from the shop the other day but had to embarrassingly ask neighbour to get it as dd didn't want to go to supermarket on her own and she just constantly comments things like "that's disgusting" and walks the long way round the sofa to avoid coming close to me if I ask her to fetch me something and she comes in the room and I'm breastfeeding. I feel like having a right go at her and telling her to "grow up you are nearly 15 for gods sake"

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Cherrysoup · 08/09/2024 18:53

You said earlier she gets money to go places with her friends then you've said she only walks to school with them, that's it. (and can't be home alone for more than 5 minutes!) Which is it? Is she nt? Because a child in year 10 is normally (ime of 30 years teaching) a whole heck more independent.

Never had chores to do because you've done everything for her? You've made a rod for your own back there, but she does sound extremely spoiled and totally unprepared for life doing GCSEs. She surely knows how to buy stuff in a shop? She must have seen you doing it thousands of times.

I do wish people would at least read the OP's posts. Same dad to all 4 kids, not an only child and baby is not a half sib!

itsmabeline · 08/09/2024 18:52

Anxiety about performing tasks herself sounds unrelated to a new baby and should be treated as such.

What are you doing to address this?

The new baby thing is going to slow this down not improve it, so I'm not sure why the new baby is being mentioned as if that is a reason she should suddenly be better at something? It's probably a reason for her to be worse at it.

Help her as you would have before a new baby was on the horizon.

the3e7s · 08/09/2024 18:52

TheOnlyCherryOnMyTree · 08/09/2024 18:44

I don't understand how you are very close but haven't spoken about the biggest thing happening in both of your lives, especially when you know she is an anxious child. Did you avoid it on purpose because you knew she wasn't feeling positive about it?

No didn't avoid it at all just I thought not really would be interesting to her and didn't feel the need to have a deep conversation about it. I didn't avoid the subject or anything I was actively asking her opinion on baby names and cute outfits e.t.c

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MrsSunshine2b · 08/09/2024 18:52

TheOnlyCherryOnMyTree · 08/09/2024 18:48

My 14 year old can handle conversations with strangers really well, my 17 year old can't. My 17 year old can stand up in front of a crowd and perform, my 14 year old can't. All teens are not the same. What your stepdaughter can handle is irrelevant to what the ops dd can handle.

What is relevant is noticing what your kids can't handle and working on helping them learn. Not shaming them or getting angry at them for struggling.

Thinking breastfeeding is "disgusting" doesn't fall into the category of "thing which takes confidence and feels scary." It's not scary. It doesn't require confidence to be respectful when someone is breastfeeding. Trying to stop an adult partner from breastfeeding is classed as domestic abuse. If a teenager was doing anything else that would be considered abusive in an adult there'd be no hesitation whatsoever in telling them to cut it out or face a consequence.

Iwantitidontwantit · 08/09/2024 18:51

Littletreefrog · 08/09/2024 16:59

I'm all for teenagers helping and yes it would be nice if she did but this is a huge adjustment for her. She doesnt need to act mature at 14 just because you have had a baby. People worry about toddlers feeling rejected when a new baby comes along but seem to think a 14 year old with all the turmoil that comes with should just magically morph into a helpful co parent overnight.

This post summed up exactly what I think.

I've got a 14 year old DD and she's expected to help around the house she lives in, but would I expect her to seamlessly adjust to this? Absolutely not.

They are so much more emotionally delicate than people allow for & being a teenager is bloody hard. Adding an (unasked for) sibling to the mix , without giving considering how their world changes feels really unfair to me.

HollyKnight · 08/09/2024 18:50

You need to show her how to do those things. Then you need to be with her while she does those things. Only then will she feel confident to do them on her own.

the3e7s · 08/09/2024 18:49

I've often encouraged her to go to the shops or the local takeaway to get a treat herself, however she always refuses. I'm thinking the idea of taking her and let her practise with me there is worth a shot but I don't think it tackles the root of the problem. The root of the problem is her anxiety at performing tasks by herself even when I know and I think she knows she is more than capable.

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TheOnlyCherryOnMyTree · 08/09/2024 18:48

MrsSunshine2b · 08/09/2024 18:44

What a strange assumption. There is nothing dirty or unpleasant about a mother feeding her child. As I said further up, my stepdaughter coped perfectly fine. If your teenager can't, you've done a very poor job of educating them.

My 14 year old can handle conversations with strangers really well, my 17 year old can't. My 17 year old can stand up in front of a crowd and perform, my 14 year old can't. All teens are not the same. What your stepdaughter can handle is irrelevant to what the ops dd can handle.

What is relevant is noticing what your kids can't handle and working on helping them learn. Not shaming them or getting angry at them for struggling.

AmyLovesAutumn · 08/09/2024 18:48

My mum had my brother when I was 15, she seemed to forget that I existed except to ask for help with washing, cleaning cooking and looking after my younger siblings. She never had one thought to the fact that I was only 15 and had my own stuff going on, exams, friendship issues, generally trying to navigate the world and I could have really done with a bit of support. By the time I was 17 I was fed up with it all, managed to scrape into Uni and moved into halls. I never went home much at Uni as I was treated like a free babysitter and house maid when I did go home. The best thing I ever did was move away and go NC. I have the most wonderful MIL who treats me like a daughter and she’s been a huge part of my life since I was 18.

It’s not a 14/15 year olds fault that their parents choose to have more children and they shouldn’t be expected to “help” with siblings.

It sounds like this teenager is very anxious and should be being supported in that.

grow up you are nearly 15 for gods sake. She’s still trying to navigate the world and this was something my mother used to say. My advice would be make time for her when no other siblings are around. Don’t make the mistake my mother made as she’s now living to regret how she treated me and I can never forgive her for that.

adamduritz · 08/09/2024 18:47

I think you are getting a hard time. If you had missed out the newborn and just said she wasn't willing to help or pop to the shop you would have been told she is being a pity little madam.

DoreenonTill8 · 08/09/2024 18:45

TheBossOfMe · 08/09/2024 17:53

I think you’ve probably got two issues going on here. The first is not fostering independence sooner - and then suddenly expecting it because there’s a new baby around.

The second is the fact that you’ve got a 14yo, a 9yo, a 6yo and now a newborn. So from the age of 5, she’s pretty much continuously had a baby or a very young sibling around and had to continuously adjust to the family getting bigger and her getting less attention/time (and lack of time probably is linked to you not having done more to foster independence). That’s a lot for a young girl.

And maybe there is the third thing of her just being embarrassed at the obvious evidence that her parents have sex!

This, lots of change happened and to happen soon? Where's the baby's room going to end up being? Will the 14yo have to share? Or be other moved?

IVFmumoftwo · 08/09/2024 18:44

If for some insane reason you choose to have another baby after such big gaps then you should be doing the jobs.

MrsSunshine2b · 08/09/2024 18:44

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 08/09/2024 18:41

@MrsSunshine2b Why are you conflating breastfeeding and sex? That's weird and creepy. There's nothing sexual about feeding a baby. a 14year old does not want to see her mother's boobs at all!!!!!

What a strange assumption. There is nothing dirty or unpleasant about a mother feeding her child. As I said further up, my stepdaughter coped perfectly fine. If your teenager can't, you've done a very poor job of educating them.

hattie43 · 08/09/2024 18:44

Sorry OP she sounds a spoilt brat . No wonder teens are going off the rails when absolute no expectations have been made of them ever .

She is not used to doing chores or helping and gets what she want money wise with no need to earn it .
You are reeping what you've sowed I'm afraid .

TheOnlyCherryOnMyTree · 08/09/2024 18:44

I don't understand how you are very close but haven't spoken about the biggest thing happening in both of your lives, especially when you know she is an anxious child. Did you avoid it on purpose because you knew she wasn't feeling positive about it?

Choochoo21 · 08/09/2024 18:42

What did you need so desperately from the shop that you had to get a neighbour to do it and not wait for DH to get home?

If you’re struggling so much then your DH is going to need to take some annual leave of something to help you out more.

She should not have extra responsibilities just because you chose to have another baby.

I feel really sorry for this poor girl.
You are struggling to cope and you are taking it out on her, which is really unfair.

Maray1967 · 08/09/2024 18:42

the3e7s · 08/09/2024 18:06

No nothing. But she was a lot younger last time.

There’s your problem. My DS1 was nearly 8 when DS2 was born. He fetched nappies and other stuff for me and helped clear the table etc. You're going to have to start now with them all, not just the eldest. The boys can fetch and carry stuff within the house at their ages. If she sees them being asked, she might be more willing to help herself.

NotSoHotMess24 · 08/09/2024 18:42

Goodness OP is getting a lot of hate on this thread!!

I'm with you OP - As a nearly adult member of the household, she should be helping out, so long as it doesn't interfere with her schooling or social activities. Would be the same if someone was ill, or lost their job or whatever. She should be learning that families pull together in times of stress. If it were me, I'd do the natural consequences thing. Get a Beelivery if you need something from the shop. Next time your teenager asks for money for something, it's "sorry, I don't have anything extra to give you, as had to spend it on deliveries".

As for saying you're "gross", that's awful, crass and disrespectful.

I get it's a period of adjustment, but it doesn't excuse how she's being imo. You haven't done anything wrong having another baby!! As some on here seem to be suggesting. What an odd and disturbing mindset...

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 08/09/2024 18:41

@MrsSunshine2b Why are you conflating breastfeeding and sex? That's weird and creepy. There's nothing sexual about feeding a baby. a 14year old does not want to see her mother's boobs at all!!!!!

itsmabeline · 08/09/2024 18:41

A teenager shouldn't be expected to pick up the slack due to a new baby.

If there are tasks that needed to be done like go to the supermarket that were reasonable to ask of a teenager these should have been asked before the baby was born not suddenly after, otherwise you are expecting her to pick up the slack due to a new baby.

In her teenage years she probably needs a bit more time and parenting but will have to receive less due to the new baby. It happens but it's not ideal and is understandable that she doesn't want to suddenly do tasks due to a new sibling, as she is not the default parent just because she's the oldest.

In the past children were asked to do a lot more work like this and as a result I think it caused damage that has led to a more child focussed parenting style that allows children to be children for their whole childhood. Those who have this freedom fare better in my opinion than those who have to help out with baby siblings during their crucial teenage years because their parents are too exhausted from parenting the babies.

Seaweed42 · 08/09/2024 18:39

Chances are if you didn't have a new baby she still wouldn't go to the shop on her own.

She's not miraculously going to grow up just because you had a baby.

In fact she might regress for a while and behave like a younger age while she processes the changes and your sudden lack of availability and attention.

She might go to the shop for something for herself. That might be a place to start. Like herself and another young sibling could go and buy treats. Rather than being made do it.

the3e7s · 08/09/2024 18:39

SwiftiesVSLestat · 08/09/2024 18:28

But, say, 6 months ago when that wasn’t happening why didn’t you address it then?

or a year ago?

You have picked the exact wrong time and wrong way to address the issue. You have picked a time where you want her to do things for your own convenience.

You aren’t spending any one on one time with her recently, so it’s not surprising she is retreating from you. New baby arrives, focus is on the baby as it would be, expectations of her have appeared, she clearly has some anxiety and you now expect her to be more adult, no discussion about how she feels about any of it.

Non of us have raised teenagers. Up until we do it. But she is still your child. Have you always had a distant relationship with her?

No and just because we haven't spoke much about the baby we are not distant we are very close.

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SonicTheHodgeheg · 08/09/2024 18:38

If your dd is worried about stuff like the self checkout then go to the shops with her and get her to do the buying. I think that everyone who is able to self checkout today will sympathise that the first times doing it as a bit nerve wracking but practice makes perfect and try staff aren’t judging if the machine goes wrong.

Repeat this kind of support with everything that she worries about. She isn’t going to suddenly say that she’s ready so break it down and practice. Accomplishing self care tasks like going to the shops will be good for her self confidence and help her become an adult more easily. You don’t want to be one of those parents who have to drive to her to uni to change her bedding because she doesn’t know how to change a duvet cover and do more laundry.

Gimmeabreak2025 · 08/09/2024 18:37

TheOnlyCherryOnMyTree · 08/09/2024 18:33

The ops dd doesn't come across as selfish and entitled at all. She comes across as a teen who is really struggling, struggling with anxiety(too anxious to go to the shop alone) , her relationship with her mum(they've never even discussed the baby), friendships(doesn't hang out independently with friends). There are so many red flags that show her dd is not coping. I think she could probably do with some counselling and a lot of love being shown.

Was not commenting on the behaviour of the child of the op but the poster who said to leave her alone as she’s just a child….