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To worry about oldest friend - barely any contact from her for 9 months

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EmeraldDreams73 · 08/09/2024 16:03

This is likely to be long, I'm sorry.

My oldest friend, P, lives about 1.5 hours from me, we've been very close for 45 years. Pre-technology we had the odd year or two where we just caught up by letter, but have been in very regular contact (usually WhatsApp) for probably the last 20 years. Our kids are similar ages. It's been rare for us to go more than a few days without contact, or a couple of weeks absolute max, though it ebbs and flows as we're both busy. We've been a huge support to each other for many years.

I got married 9 months ago (no, I didn't bombard her with tons of wedding shit beforehand! We had the odd chat about plans, she was definitely excited for it). She did a beautiful reading which was fab and I mentioned her in my speech, she and her family had a great time from what I could tell. No falling out or cross words at all. We were in touch briefly over Christmas as usual, but didn't manage to meet up (but had seen each other at the wedding just before, so I wasn't concerned).

I know she's always under a lot of pressure with work (p/t but very demanding), and I do remember her saying in January that she'd probably be a bit quieter than usual for a few weeks, as there was a lot going on with elderly parents and in laws as well. Obviously I said no problem, I don't want to add to her worries/stress with my own expectations, and said I'm here any time, don't worry at all.

But here we are in Sept and I've heard almost nothing from her since January and I'm worried. I suddenly know nothing at all about what's happening in her life when for 45 years we've had a pretty good idea of what's going on for each other. She has sent kind messages/ cards for my birthday and to my dds, all of which seem perfectly normal, but has given zero updates on her own life and asked for zero support, whereas she normally relies on me for emotional support, as I do her.

It just feels like something major must be going on and I miss her and I suppose I'm upset at the thought that she would normally want to talk to me but for some reason doesn't atm. I've tried really hard not to be upset but the longer it goes on, can't help it. It feels like grief.

I have messaged her a few times, never asking for anything from her, just giving brief bits of news as normal at first, and reiterating now and then that I was thinking of her and hoped she was OK. I've left it weeks on end between messages and tried to keep anything I do send as very short and low key, just checking in and never asking for a reply etc. I have said that I'm worried about her and that I'm here if she needs me, she responded with a heart emoji but still no contact. I'm almost sure she's not upset with me, there's been nothing I can think of at all but it often keeps me awake at night wondering.

Of course I realises she has no obligation to keep me in the loop, but after 45 years of being so close, and after multiple school hols where I hoped she'd get in touch (she works in education, as does her DP), I'm getting increasingly worried. I am also feeling hurt if I'm honest, not that I'd tell her - I don't want to make whatever she's going through about me. I do know that she's been struggling with menopause and she's had mh difficulties in the past, as has her DP and several members of her extended family.

I had an issue with another friend a few months ago (v different character and not a mutual friend, she was spectacularly bitchy to me and I was extremely upset but we sorted it out). While that was going on I did send P a more emotional message late one night - I felt like I was losing all my oldest friends, though didn't say that. Just said I really hoped she was OK, and if I'd done anything to upset her to please let me know, told her how much she means to me etc. She didn't answer that, which I took to mean that it's nothing I've done, and have made sure since to just send occasional, low key messages.

We have one mutual friend who is very blunt (and pretty rude at times, v different to both me and P) and when P has gone quiet in the past we would normally ask each other if she was OK. When I did this around March, she didn't reply and has ignored a couple of other enquiries - very out of character but we are in touch as normal, so I've assumed she either isn't worried, or has heard from P and she just doesn't want to be in close touch with me for now/at all. Which is fuelling the worry!

Has anyone else had this happen? I miss P so much. It feels like I'm being kept firmly at arm's length - she sends cards and the odd message (eg good luck to dd2 when she started college last week), it feels bizarre to have that contact without the other side of our friendship, ie any knowledge at all of what's going on for her. I want to help, to listen, to know if she's OK.

AIBU to be worried? I wouldn't dream of contacting her parents or anything, but it's so upsetting. Should I stop even my attempts at keeping things low key in case they're construed as pressure? Or keep going in the hope that whatever is going on, she eventually feels she wants to reconnect?

Sorry this is so long.

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CreationNat1on · 31/12/2024 18:56

You ll set a date and she ll cancel last minute, don't bother. What's wrong with calling, on the phone.

Honestly, she is sounding v mad now.

EmeraldRoulette · 31/12/2024 18:46

@ScaryM0nster thanks for the reply

Your post has made me glad I don't have a big social circle - mostly I think I'd like one but that looks like a big pile of crazy.
i dont think I know anyone as petty as that!

do people really lose actual genuine friendships for things like that?

0123thehollyandtheivy0123 · 31/12/2024 18:43

Your friend has suggested a time to meet when you would need to take a day off work. That is crazy.

0123thehollyandtheivy0123 · 31/12/2024 18:42

@EmeraldDreams73

I started a kind of similar thread recently.

My friend would finally get back in touch full of apologies and the meet up would change date/time. Every time...

The best thing I ever did was to take back control and tell it to her straight in a message. And then I blocked her. Since then I have felt far lighter.

By replying to her you will be ONCE AGAIN be getting het up and going round and round this merry go round... life is far too short to be dealing with this cr*p. She has shown her true colours.

Ditch her. Don't spend any more time on this.

I am speaking from a lot of experience. It took the very blunt words of strangers on mumsnet for me to finally think 'get rid'. And honestly... I have absolutely zero regrets. I wish I had done it months ago.

StampOnTheGround · 31/12/2024 18:41

I would reply saying weekdays won't work for me in Jan unfortunately, but I can do x or y weekend.

CreationNat1on · 31/12/2024 18:36

I ld respond "hi, midweek never suits due to work. Give me a bell when you are free. HNY and 2025"

Butchyrestingface · 31/12/2024 18:30

Miffylou · 31/12/2024 18:25

I’d reply "You know weekdays are difficult for me as I’m working. Can you not spare a couple of hours one weekend?"

Fuck no. I'd drop the rope, as someone else suggested earlier. A 4046 year friendship wouldn't be worth this amount of headspace and anguish.

It sounds like OP's erstwhile mate is playing one of those games where the only winning move is NOT to play (not my line, unfortunately).

SassK · 31/12/2024 18:30

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 31/12/2024 18:04

It may be that from her position you’ve done something pretty awful. Or she’s had difficult information relating to you. If you’ve pushed this hard to get answers you don’t now get to bail on that.

It's a day's income though. That's a lot to give up for someone who has dicked you around for the best part of a year. Are there really no weekends available?

I had a friend, for several years (met through work), whom I never once met up with on a weekend. Weekend's were reserved for her husband alone 🙄 It was different level self importance!
In company she was always blowing about how 'busy, busy' she was, and must try to fit this person and that person in. I had a moment of clarity and realised she was 90% superficial bore.
I still wonder why I entertained the friendship for so long 😂 I wouldn't now; older and wiser, and she'd be ghosted in a heartbeat!

ScaryM0nster · 31/12/2024 18:28

EmeraldRoulette · 31/12/2024 18:15

"It may be that from her position you’ve done something pretty awful. Or she’s had difficult information relating to you"

not sure who posted this originally sorry.

but what can OP have realistically done?

also what could "difficult information" be?

Promised a photo at the wedding.
Mentioned or not mentioned something important.
P discovered that the Emeralds new husband was a trainspotter shortly after the wedding and knows that that’s a hardline for Emerald. (Or anything else but we’ll stick with train spotting as the example).
P thinks thank you cards are vitally important and Emerald didn’t send one after the wedding, or did but it didn’t get to P.
Another mutual friend misreported some information between them.
P hooked up with someone at the wedding.
etc etc.

It surprisingly easy to find yourself having hugely offended someone without actually realising. Or to be perceived as going to be very difficult about something when you don’t think you would.

Miffylou · 31/12/2024 18:25

I’d reply "You know weekdays are difficult for me as I’m working. Can you not spare a couple of hours one weekend?"

loropianalover · 31/12/2024 18:24

She has suggested weekdays knowing you work and can’t meet!!! What a strange one she is.

EmeraldRoulette · 31/12/2024 18:15

"It may be that from her position you’ve done something pretty awful. Or she’s had difficult information relating to you"

not sure who posted this originally sorry.

but what can OP have realistically done?

also what could "difficult information" be?

OolongTeaDrinker · 31/12/2024 18:15

EmeraldDreams73 · 31/12/2024 17:20

I'd have to take a day off to meet her on any weekday! And I'm self-employed which means literally the only time I take off work unless I'm dying is the week between Xmas and New Year.

I am in no rush to reply. What's wrong with a fucking weekend?! I'm SO irritated.

Sadly I think she knows you won’t be able to meet on a weekday which is why she has suggested a vague ‘are you ever free on x days’ rather than actually suggesting a concrete day on a weekend when she knows you’ll be free. I would message back saying ‘don’t worry about it, I’m going to take your multiple hints and just leave things as they are’. Hopefully the fresh start of the new year will let you put this behind you.

ChocolateMagnum · 31/12/2024 18:15

ScaryM0nster · 31/12/2024 18:01

You do need to keep in mind that if you push and push and push for contact, and the reject the offer that you’re being a part of the problem.

Now you’ve pushed this hard you need to follow through.

It may be that from her position you’ve done something pretty awful. Or she’s had difficult information relating to you. If you’ve pushed this hard to get answers you don’t now get to bail on that.

I would agree with this had P not said she'd get in touch and then let Emerald down yet again. I think she's had her last chance now and Emerald will find it harder to just let this friendship go and heal from it if she doesn't take the bull by the horns and take control of the situation herself.

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 31/12/2024 18:04

It may be that from her position you’ve done something pretty awful. Or she’s had difficult information relating to you. If you’ve pushed this hard to get answers you don’t now get to bail on that.

It's a day's income though. That's a lot to give up for someone who has dicked you around for the best part of a year. Are there really no weekends available?

ScaryM0nster · 31/12/2024 18:01

You do need to keep in mind that if you push and push and push for contact, and the reject the offer that you’re being a part of the problem.

Now you’ve pushed this hard you need to follow through.

It may be that from her position you’ve done something pretty awful. Or she’s had difficult information relating to you. If you’ve pushed this hard to get answers you don’t now get to bail on that.

ChocolateMagnum · 31/12/2024 17:51

Don't opt for dignified silence - that's probably what she thinks she's been doing.

'Dear P. It's ok. I can see that things have changed for you and I think it's best if we both just move on now because this has actually been extremely painful for me and I'm assuming it's not been easy for you either. Sending you and your family lots of love and best wishes for the New Year. Emerald x'

MadnessIsMyMiddleName · 31/12/2024 17:51

Video calls are just as good as face to face OP, as you can see and feel the manner in which something is said, which you can't with a text. At this stage, if you really want to know what was behind all this, I'd text and say you can't spare a week day, as you have to work, but would love to video call, so that you can talk properly. If she refuses, then I'd drop her and be done with the whole sorry saga. I'm SO sorry she's put you through all this, particularly as I am getting very similar vibes from a friend of my own at the moment, after 34 years, such a shame when these things happen, but I guess that's life. Let us know what happens, won't you?

EmeraldDreams73 · 31/12/2024 17:43

Flipslop · 31/12/2024 17:33

How about a FaceTime call? Save your holiday

Sadly our rural wifi is nowhere near up to that challenge but great idea!

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EmeraldDreams73 · 31/12/2024 17:41

I wouldn't give her the satisfaction of sending this thread tbh, given how upset I've been! Mind you, if I decide I don't care about the fallout, it's always an option down the line 😜

I'm sorely tempted to say I can't afford to take any time off work, you've got your message across now, so please don't bother. Then block!

However, this is me so I'll probably manage an extremely short reply later, giving 2 dates I could potentially take off work, and will then ignore. Let her squirm in the meantime, she probably only wants to meet up to tell me how shit I am as a friend - she's had plenty of chances to do that this year already.

I am like my lovely Dad in that it takes a LOT to upset me, I'm really placid and patient as a rule. But once I'm upset, I'm a stubborn cow and I'm 100% done with grovelling. If not block and ignore, matching her tone/effort is the only way to go. In fact, that's exactly what I advise my young adult dds in terms of friendships, it's normally my mantra with anyone. I'd be livid if one of their close friends did this to them.

I DO know I should opt for dignified silence at this point, especially given the studiedly casual tone and 24 hour delay to what she promised, but I'm nosey and stubborn and pathetic. Plus, I don't like the idea of her telling everyone I begged to see her then blocked her like some unstable stalker instead of her oldest friend!

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Flipslop · 31/12/2024 17:33

How about a FaceTime call? Save your holiday

Secondguess · 31/12/2024 17:26

You could tell her that you'll probably not have a weekday off for a while, and ask her to tell you by text.

It seems very much "main character syndrome" to suggest that you take time off from paid work to meet up and either hear her reasons/ excuses, or worse, she just acts like normal.

I wonder whether she doesn't want to put it in writing, maybe because she doesn't really have a reason and hoped to gloss over it in person.

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 31/12/2024 17:22

OP firstly I'm so sorry. I've been similarly semi-ghosted by an old friend, it's the sporadic contact that makes it weirder and harder. I'm used to it now, I'm happy to exchange the odd cheery message, just weird to think how close we once were.

Do you think the friend has deliberately opted for a week day in order to make it difficult for you to meet?

Miffylou · 31/12/2024 17:22

EmeraldDreams73 · 31/12/2024 17:21

Quite!

You could send her a link!

EmeraldDreams73 · 31/12/2024 17:21

Miffylou · 31/12/2024 16:40

It would be good for her to read this thread, so she understands how you’ve been feeling for months.

Quite!

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