If you voted for brexit did you get what you wanted?

We were always able to set our own VAT rules, the only thing we couldn't do was abolish it. VAT was introduced in Britain in 1973 and has little or nothing to do with the EU. It was called Purchase Tax before that, which was introduced in 1940. Unless the Government (any government) decides to abolish VAT or reduce it to below 15% (the EU minimum on most goods and services) then I don't see how anything has changed or "worked out well".

Ah, tone is a bit hard to gauge on here.

And I agree, many people are politically lazy and don't want to put in the time.

Social media doesn't help as the algorithm turns people's feeds into echo chambers and they aren't exposed to differing opinions.

I maintain that many people didn't know exactly what they were voting for, but it was due to a combination of not spending the time to learn... and also a lot of people (and politicians) muddying the waters (lying) with bold claims and social media campaigns etc

Must be true then!

There has been at least 4 in the last 10 days. I can get you the link to everyone if you are really that bothered.

Yes actually.

As I said in a prior comment, it has been widely discussed and recognised that people were ill informed about Brexit.

That to me has been proven true in the many conversations I have had with people about it (from various demographics).

But the ever closer union was just political rhetoric. Cameron had in any case removed references to this at the beginning of 2016. By the time of the referendum it had lost what little force it ever had.

https://fullfact.org/europe/explaining-eu-deal-ever-closer-union/

I was being ironic. The information was there but people chose not to do any research or listen. There was a lot of talk at the time of how we shouldn't trust 'experts'.

They instead believed utter nonsense without doing the bare minimum of fact checking. Then millions voted for Farage again this year.

The vast, vast majority of people didn't know what they actually were voting for.

🤣 Are you sure?

Interesting, on pro Labour threads you don't get this version

Public opinion generally seems to be falling for them

I got a world beating healthcare system thanks to brexit giving loads of money to the nhs instead of those bureaucrats in Brussels.

It has been pretty widely reported and discussed that a lot of people didn't know exactly what they were voting for with Brexit and they didn't understand the widespread implications.

A lot of people voted for it simply because they thought it would solve illegal immigration (or low paid legal immigrants).

I think it is fair to say that unless people are proactive in educating themselves and are politically minded, it is easy to see how they may vote for something because social media says it will solve a particular issue.

Not according to MN there aren’t….

One of the reasons I voted Brexit because I wanted less cheap eastern European labour to come to the U.K. so that employers would be forced to pay wages good enough to tempt people off the dole and into work.
Alas we're getting immigrants from further afield instead, so it didn't work the way I expected.

@Messen unfortunately not it seems. Even the main charity which supports tube fed people haven't got a solution other than lobbying for change. It's absolutely horrendous and the rules are written in such a way it covers ALL medical foods not just dairy. Homecare companies now also won't deliver holiday/travel supplies to Europe either. I'm pretty sure it must be a breach of human rights as effectively the rules have cut off access to Europe for a good number of disabled people including children. Many countries won't recognise a British prescription either so there is no way to get feed via that route.

Redlettuce · Today 17:20

The problem is we had a lot of people running the UK that didn't believe in Brexit and were actually trying to undermine it so we got a poor deal.

So, nothing to do with duff Johnson loyalists, who didn't know how to negotiate, didn't bother to negotiate and had no understanding of what subjects they should have been negotiating for, much less why it was important.

The EU proffered a framework of what they thought was the minimum for starting negotiations. Our dear leaders went, "Oh ta! That'll do!"

People accused of trying to undermine Brexit were actually trying to get better deals for all sorts of businesses. It's only the simplest outpouring of the likes of the Mail and Express, which blamed them for a shitty deal and not believing hard enough in Brexit.

It could have been a lot better, had negotiations not been administered by lazy, slow-witted, arrogant appointees, who were under the misapprehension that the EU needed us more than we needed them and would come begging to us.

I thought that was pretty obvious as every time the UK tried to implement our own rules to suit our own people, it was slapped down by the EU. Or the EU would force ridiculous rules and regulations on us.

You'll have specific examples of the above to back up this claim, yes?

I knew some people (of asian heritage) who voted for brexit on the basis that it was unfair that east European migrants got easier access to the UK. I imagine they did get what they wanted.

Colour me surprised.

well yes;
logically it is a completely nonsensical to fall out with all our closest neighbours isn’t it ? like falling out with next door neighbours- doesn’t really end well and feels very unpleasant all the time.

One thing is for sure, everything is a lot worse than it was 10 years ago with everything being far more expensive.

I am of French heritage and have family members whose attitude to the UK boat problem is tant pis (too bad!) said with a certain sarcasm as the general attitude is that as Britain is only longer part of Europe anymore, then why should anyone give a fu ck!

When I was in Spain this summer, some Spanish people I was staying when complaining about all the asylum seekers suggested that all the migrants could be housed in Wales & Scotland as there is lots of green land. They were quite happy that they were leaving Europe and heading over here!

I think the general attitude post Brexit is that Britain is no longer of any concern to Europe.

All the money no longer paid to the EU going to the NHS has made a huge difference hasn't it? Wasn't that one of the benefits? Then there's taking back borders and the associated fall in immigration. That's worked well too.

I do have a fetching blue passport, although I am fortunate enough to also have a burgundy EU one so I don't actually use the blue one.

There was someone interviewed on breakfast TV on result day that said “oh, I voted for Brexit but didn’t think my vote would count”.

I can’t remember if that was before or after Farage admitted that there was never going to be extra money for the NHS. “Writing something on a bus doesn’t mean it’s true.”

I genuinely despaired for Britain’s general levels of intelligence that day.

The largest online search the day of the referendum result was “What is Brexit”.

another Reasons lots of people I know had for voting to leave were the stated aims of “ever closer union” and the various things that had the potential to entail l. I never thought it unreasonable to have doubts about an overreaching government for the whole of a continent when that was the stated aim.

I personally have doubts that the European project in its current form can last. Not for the very long term. Trying to tie nations together under the same rules as if they all operate the same way and have the same culture and goals is risky. Without absolutely stellar leadership it’s easy for things to go off the rails.