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If you voted for brexit did you get what you wanted?

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Poutl · 08/09/2024 12:43

I’m definitely not a sneery anti-brexiter. I get that 50% of the population had legitimate concerns and did what they thought was best for the country. But my question is: did the thing that was so intolerable as a result of being a part of the EU get resolved for you by way of brexit?

I just don’t see what the point of it all was.

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iNoticed · 09/09/2024 08:33

ginasevern · 08/09/2024 18:47

We were always able to set our own VAT rules, the only thing we couldn't do was abolish it. VAT was introduced in Britain in 1973 and has little or nothing to do with the EU. It was called Purchase Tax before that, which was introduced in 1940. Unless the Government (any government) decides to abolish VAT or reduce it to below 15% (the EU minimum on most goods and services) then I don't see how anything has changed or "worked out well".

I know. Feminine hygiene products have move to 0% VAT as a direct result of Brexit though, ergo it’s working well.

It was my only reason for voting Brexit though and I think it’ll be a generation before any real benefits arise - so it all remains to be seen.

Newname5565 · 09/09/2024 08:17

I’m still wondering where the £100M a week went! NHS definitely is not getting that!

poppyzbrite4 · 09/09/2024 08:15

honeybeetheoneandonly · 08/09/2024 23:33

I'm guessing a large majority of people voting for Brexit will have voted for Brexit for one of three reasons: money for the NHS; stopping immigration and taking back control. Those were heavily campaigned for in the leave campaign. None of them have actually been implemented (although, legal immigration has definitely been curbed). This is not the Brexit people voted for.

Immigration has gone up.

Nc789123 · 09/09/2024 01:46

I voted brexit and id do so again tomorrow. Im happy with the outcome to an extent but im not happy that it didnt go far enough. In my opinion, voting for brexit was voting for a clean break so i dont believe we have gone far enough.

SinnerBoy · 09/09/2024 01:33

Wishfulthinking1977

Sorry, I wasn't having a go at you personally, just the chancers who buggered it all up, then blamed everyone else and got the Mail & Express to repeat it endlessly.

SinnerBoy · 09/09/2024 01:30

Well said, friendlycat

friendlycat · 09/09/2024 00:39

KATHSTYLE · 08/09/2024 17:59

I voted to leave because I resented all the money that was being sent to the EU and thought it could be better spent improving things here.

There have been no improvements. On the contrary, things just seem to get worse and worse.

I also had reservations about unfettered immigration and a hope that some autonomy and sovereignty would help us.

I regret voting to leave and would vote to stay if I could rewind the clock.

I respect the fact you’ve come on this thread and said why you voted leave and have since changed your mind.

I don’t agree with your vote, but at least you’ve given an honest answer. People were fed a lot of lies and it’s tragic how much misinformation there was of such a serious situation.

Haroldwilson · 09/09/2024 00:28

Loving it so far. Reduced growth, political instability, riots, sense of decay and desolation - what's not to like?

I'm particularly enjoying the abandonment of any attempt to find EU rules we want to change as it turns out they were all quite sensible, really.

Just great. Worth breaking up families over.

Mabelthebore · 09/09/2024 00:20

Wishfulthinking1977 · 09/09/2024 00:14

I will convey your message, sorry that you feel that many peoples opinions that I know are rubbish, I personally don't know two of the names that you mentioned! But I'm not lashing out at anyone! I was answering a question. But obviously you are upset and angry and your use of profanity and insults does actually reinforce the division between the groups. I really was just hoping to answer the question!

Edited

I agree with the pp here. You are deluded if you think the disaster of Brexit is down to bad negotiations.

Wishfulthinking1977 · 09/09/2024 00:14

SinnerBoy · 09/09/2024 00:00

Wishfulthinking1977 · Today 22:37

no-one I now is happy with the way it's turned out due to believing that most of those negotiating on our behalf were remainers and seemed to go for the easiest option to appease the group they really wanted to allign with.

That really is complete and utter rubbish, propagated by lazy idiots like Steve Barclay, Marc Francois, Rees Mogg etc, who were too lazy to negotiate beforehand and too ignorant to understand what they should be negotiating, let alone why.

As it became obvious that Brexit was and is a complete clown show, they pretended that Brexit was shit, because remainers sabotaged it.

They fucked up big style, then lashed out and tried to blame everyone except those responsible; themselves.

I will convey your message, sorry that you feel that many peoples opinions that I know are rubbish, I personally don't know two of the names that you mentioned! But I'm not lashing out at anyone! I was answering a question. But obviously you are upset and angry and your use of profanity and insults does actually reinforce the division between the groups. I really was just hoping to answer the question!

SinnerBoy · 09/09/2024 00:00

Wishfulthinking1977 · Today 22:37

no-one I now is happy with the way it's turned out due to believing that most of those negotiating on our behalf were remainers and seemed to go for the easiest option to appease the group they really wanted to allign with.

That really is complete and utter rubbish, propagated by lazy idiots like Steve Barclay, Marc Francois, Rees Mogg etc, who were too lazy to negotiate beforehand and too ignorant to understand what they should be negotiating, let alone why.

As it became obvious that Brexit was and is a complete clown show, they pretended that Brexit was shit, because remainers sabotaged it.

They fucked up big style, then lashed out and tried to blame everyone except those responsible; themselves.

Shakespeareandi · 08/09/2024 23:52

Out of the two people I know who voted leave, one person really regrets his vote amd wished he could change it. The other person is quite a racist and is still happy with his decision, I think.
At the time of Brexit there were also talks of a Swexit, a swedish exit from the EU. We have family in Sweden and visit yearly, and guess what, after seeing what a shit show Brexit turned into, no one is talking about a Swexit anymore.
The loss of being in the EU ; freedom of movement and settlement within the EU, trade deals outside of EU, the ease of import /export within EU- all gone. Together with many more benefits. Luckily my children have both british and EU passports .

TooBigForMyBoots · 08/09/2024 23:50

The people who voted Leave to reduce immigration were conned.

Clafoutie · 08/09/2024 23:46

Cobblersorchard · 08/09/2024 23:34

It’s far too early to see benefits, it was always a 10 year plus deal for me- and I mean 10 years from actually leaving. Just like UK parliament, takes at least two terms to effect change.

I think the situation in the next decade or so will be favourable, but it has to get worse to get better. Anyone expecting instant benefits is deluded.

In what ways will the situation turn favourable though? What evidence is there to suggest that? It seems economic and geopolitical instability are more likely than not in the next decade. Of course, there will be ups and downs in that period as there always have been, but the ‘jam tomorrow’ argument seems completely unsupported by any current facts. It is also, as a previous poster said, a convenient way for those who based the Leave arguments on lies ( certain so-called leaders) to continue to avoid any accountability.

Cobblersorchard · 08/09/2024 23:34

It’s far too early to see benefits, it was always a 10 year plus deal for me- and I mean 10 years from actually leaving. Just like UK parliament, takes at least two terms to effect change.

I think the situation in the next decade or so will be favourable, but it has to get worse to get better. Anyone expecting instant benefits is deluded.

honeybeetheoneandonly · 08/09/2024 23:33

I'm guessing a large majority of people voting for Brexit will have voted for Brexit for one of three reasons: money for the NHS; stopping immigration and taking back control. Those were heavily campaigned for in the leave campaign. None of them have actually been implemented (although, legal immigration has definitely been curbed). This is not the Brexit people voted for.

Clafoutie · 08/09/2024 23:30

Mabelthebore · 08/09/2024 22:49

You may not feel you have been impacted but you will have been. Whether its the increase in fuel bills, lack of supply in the supermarket, shortage of medicines, increases in unemployment...the average UK citizen was £2000 worse off in 2022 as a result of Brexit.

I agree. Add to that list, decline in food safety standards 😠

Clafoutie · 08/09/2024 23:25

itsgettingweird · 08/09/2024 17:32

I'm slightly different in this game.

I was a remainer but respected the democratic vote. So I voted Tory in 2019 to "get brexit done".

I'm not sure I can say what that Brexit was or it's benefitted us and absolutely after the shower of shite that was that Tory party will never vote Tory again either!

I actually wish it had been beneficial despite it not being what I'd voted for. I don't think anyone which ever side you were on wanted failure.

True, but the prospect of that exact failure was very clearly and consistently warned about beforehand! The debate got so toxic and exhausting though, people on both sides just stopped listening ( if they ever started).

Imperfectionist · 08/09/2024 22:58

Personal anecdote - I have British friends of Pakistani heritage (second gen immigrants) who did vote for Brexit because they wanted it to be as easy for their family and friends to get work visas to come to the UK as it was for EU nationals.

They did get what they wanted, or at least a step in that direction. Now it is much harder for EU nationals to access UK Labour market, (and culturally Brexit is a huge deterrent to Europeans) so there is less competition for work visas.

Wishfulthinking1977 · 08/09/2024 22:57

Mabelthebore · 08/09/2024 22:49

You may not feel you have been impacted but you will have been. Whether its the increase in fuel bills, lack of supply in the supermarket, shortage of medicines, increases in unemployment...the average UK citizen was £2000 worse off in 2022 as a result of Brexit.

Possibly, but all I can say is in the area I live and the industries we all work in we haven't seen it. Wages have gone up, fuel bills have gone down. Food prices yes I can see, but no problems getting anything. Shortage of medicine, the only problem we have is no pharmacies in the area and lack of drs willing to see anyone, but tbh that's due to the way our health authority runs things and being quite rural
But I am aware that looking at the suggestions in the budget we may be hit hard.

Mabelthebore · 08/09/2024 22:49

Wishfulthinking1977 · 08/09/2024 22:37

I voted leave and so did most of the people I know, no-one I now is happy with the way it's turned out due to believing that most of those negotiating on our behalf were remainers and seemed to go for the easiest option to appease the group they really wanted to allign with. Obstacles seemed to occur alot and then it was hard versus soft etc, laws were changed, waters were muddied and then COVID hit! Then we had changes in power all quite quickly and the issues that were important were pushed to the back of the queue. Then we had a change of government with a leader who would really like us to go back. I don't think it's going well and I don't think with the people guiding it it will. But ultimately it's our (Englands) issue not the eus and if it's cocked up we can only blame those that we voted (or didn't) for. But I will say no-one I know regrets voting leave and would definitely do so again ( and surprisingly some that voted remain would vote leave!) Because they all feel that at least with it being badly dealt with they prefer it being dealt with as a UK issue rather than being under EU control where they feel we had all the negatives and none of the positives. Perhaps like many issues it's demographic? Where I live and the industries that all my family and friends work within we haven't seen any negatives? But I am aware that nationwide they are there and these weren't expected and certainly not what anyone who voted leave wanted for anyone living in the UK.

You may not feel you have been impacted but you will have been. Whether its the increase in fuel bills, lack of supply in the supermarket, shortage of medicines, increases in unemployment...the average UK citizen was £2000 worse off in 2022 as a result of Brexit.

Mabelthebore · 08/09/2024 22:41

Fifthtimelucky · 08/09/2024 20:03

Many people I know, especially older ones, had been happy with the old arrangements - in which a smallish group of western European nations joined together to form a common market, or economic community.

As the Common Market changed, they became increasingly concerned about:

  1. the inclusion of poorer Eastern European nations, partly because they were net beneficiaries of EU funding rather than being contributors, partly because their priorities and concerns didn't seem to have much in common with the UK's and partly because of immigration;

  2. linked to that, the realisation that the more members there were, the less influence the UK had and the less power to veto new legislation;

  3. concerns about "ever closer union". That of course was in the original Treaty of Rome but I don't get the impression that anyone really paid any attention to it initially. The introduction of the Euro and talks of a European army didn't help to allay concerns about loss of sovereignty;

  4. the feeling that the EU introduced lots of restrictions on the way we did things which were designed to level the playing field between member states, but which were perceived to be implemented very unevenly. So, for example, the UK was considered to be very thorough in implementing the changes, "gold-plating" them in some cases, whereas other countries were thought to ignore them;

For that group of people, leaving the EU was not about economics: it was about regaining sovereignty for the UK. They saw Brexit as a long term process and consider that it is far too soon to assess its impact.

Unfortunately what a lot of these people did not recognise was that the benefits to being in the EU far outweighed the costs.

The campaign was built on racism, misinformation and fear mongering.

One of the first comments on this thread was someone saying "I am glad I voted for Brexit because we can now control our VAT rates". But this is totally wrong because EU countries all set their own individual tax rates.

The effects have been so clearly negative that the only argument people stubbornly clinging on to the idea of Brexit can say is that its too early to assess the impact. It was bad in 2016, it is bad today and it will continue to be bad in the future.

Wishfulthinking1977 · 08/09/2024 22:37

I voted leave and so did most of the people I know, no-one I now is happy with the way it's turned out due to believing that most of those negotiating on our behalf were remainers and seemed to go for the easiest option to appease the group they really wanted to allign with. Obstacles seemed to occur alot and then it was hard versus soft etc, laws were changed, waters were muddied and then COVID hit! Then we had changes in power all quite quickly and the issues that were important were pushed to the back of the queue. Then we had a change of government with a leader who would really like us to go back. I don't think it's going well and I don't think with the people guiding it it will. But ultimately it's our (Englands) issue not the eus and if it's cocked up we can only blame those that we voted (or didn't) for. But I will say no-one I know regrets voting leave and would definitely do so again ( and surprisingly some that voted remain would vote leave!) Because they all feel that at least with it being badly dealt with they prefer it being dealt with as a UK issue rather than being under EU control where they feel we had all the negatives and none of the positives. Perhaps like many issues it's demographic? Where I live and the industries that all my family and friends work within we haven't seen any negatives? But I am aware that nationwide they are there and these weren't expected and certainly not what anyone who voted leave wanted for anyone living in the UK.

TooBigForMyBoots · 08/09/2024 22:04

ReturnoftheBink · 08/09/2024 21:58

Look at the analysis about the teeny, tiny impact CPTPT will actually have on the UK economy before you get too excited.

The Australians could not believe the amazing deal they got from us and even the Minister who signed it admits that it’s a pile of shite!

I've heard that on cold, moonless nights, if you stand on a UK mountain and listen very carefully, you can hear the sound of laughter coming from farmers halfway across the world.

No idea if it's true though.🐏🐂🐓

ReturnoftheBink · 08/09/2024 21:58

caringcarer · 08/09/2024 20:21

It's a huge trading agreement meaning we don't pay import duties of lots of goods. It's worth about £113 billion per year. It's expected to create an additional 15.9 billion exports by 2040. CPTPp accounts for 15 percent of global trade and combined worth of £12 trillion a year. It means 99 percent of UK goods will be tariff free. In addition since Brexit the UK has been able to do trade deals with individual US states, Australia, New Zealand and have a deal with India hammered out too. None of which we could do in the EU.

Look at the analysis about the teeny, tiny impact CPTPT will actually have on the UK economy before you get too excited.

The Australians could not believe the amazing deal they got from us and even the Minister who signed it admits that it’s a pile of shite!

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