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If you voted for brexit did you get what you wanted?

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Poutl · 08/09/2024 12:43

I’m definitely not a sneery anti-brexiter. I get that 50% of the population had legitimate concerns and did what they thought was best for the country. But my question is: did the thing that was so intolerable as a result of being a part of the EU get resolved for you by way of brexit?

I just don’t see what the point of it all was.

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Clavinova · 10/09/2024 19:35

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Tony Blair said the other day we've just replaced single Europeans who'd come here to work, with families from Africa and Asia.

How does Tony Blair explain 130,000 Polish children registered in the UK in 2009?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/may/27/poland-immigration-uk-economic-crisis

Why was the Labour government funding child benefit for more than 50,000 children of EU workers even though the children still lived in their home countries?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1224503/Taxpayers-20m-benefits-Polish-children--stepped-foot-Britain.html

And why did Roma communities in the UK substantially increase from 2004?

https://www.channel4.com/news/immigration-roma-migrants-bulgaria-romania-slovakia-uk

MadeleineMummy · 10/09/2024 19:23

Clavinova · 10/09/2024 19:19

Spending increases announced for NHS England's budget mean that £20.5 billion more will be spent on it in 2023/24 than in 2018/19. That's £394 million more a week by 2023/24.

https://fullfact.org/health/nhs-england-394-million-more/

There is no guaranteed extra money to pay for this increased NHS funding from stopping our payments to the EU budget. Other costs associated with Brexit are expected to outweigh the savings.

Clavinova · 10/09/2024 19:19

Abhannmor · 10/09/2024 18:23

Erm...£350,000,000 a week please.

Spending increases announced for NHS England's budget mean that £20.5 billion more will be spent on it in 2023/24 than in 2018/19. That's £394 million more a week by 2023/24.

https://fullfact.org/health/nhs-england-394-million-more/

EasternStandard · 10/09/2024 19:12

Clavinova · 10/09/2024 19:08

Your Guardian link says;

Staggeringly, Brooks found “no records of any individuals travelling by small boat to claim asylum in 2017 or before” – not one case.

Two reports here - April and May 2016 - also in the Guardian:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/may/29/nineteen-rescued-inflatable-boat-english-channel-kent
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/14/two-men-rescued-after-trying-to-row-across-channel-in-dinghy

Also, how does Prof Brooks explain this from July 2015;

Calais: man killed as migrants make 1,500 attempts to enter Eurotunnel site.

UK home secretary to chair Cobra emergency meeting after body of Sudanese man found amid latest mass attempt to cross Channel to England.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/29/calais-one-dead-1500-migrants-storm-eurotunnel-terminal

It's madness because 2002 was the peak for asylum claims at 84,132

I think the pp believes no one was crossing pre Brexit. It's really not the case.

Clavinova · 10/09/2024 19:11

LondonLass61 · 10/09/2024 16:32

@EasternStandard
No - I'm not incorrect nor is the professor who will have looked at all of the relevant stats. I'll agree to disagree with you.

My post was to LondonLass61

Abhannmor · 10/09/2024 19:11

EasternStandard · 10/09/2024 18:42

It is getting more than this

So what . The point is whether it is receiving an Extra £ 350m per week. But of course you know that

Clavinova · 10/09/2024 19:08

Your Guardian link says;

Staggeringly, Brooks found “no records of any individuals travelling by small boat to claim asylum in 2017 or before” – not one case.

Two reports here - April and May 2016 - also in the Guardian:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/may/29/nineteen-rescued-inflatable-boat-english-channel-kent
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/14/two-men-rescued-after-trying-to-row-across-channel-in-dinghy

Also, how does Prof Brooks explain this from July 2015;

Calais: man killed as migrants make 1,500 attempts to enter Eurotunnel site.

UK home secretary to chair Cobra emergency meeting after body of Sudanese man found amid latest mass attempt to cross Channel to England.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/29/calais-one-dead-1500-migrants-storm-eurotunnel-terminal

Twenty people rescued from inflatable boat in Channel

Those on board, believed to be refugees, were picked up on Saturday night and are being interviewed by immigration officials

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/may/29/nineteen-rescued-inflatable-boat-english-channel-kent

EasternStandard · 10/09/2024 18:42

Abhannmor · 10/09/2024 18:23

Erm...£350,000,000 a week please.

It is getting more than this

Abhannmor · 10/09/2024 18:23

Newname5565 · 09/09/2024 08:17

I’m still wondering where the £100M a week went! NHS definitely is not getting that!

Erm...£350,000,000 a week please.

poppyzbrite4 · 10/09/2024 18:15

bluebee17 · 10/09/2024 17:49

You can guarantee without fail you will always get at least one reply like every time one of these popped up. People who chose to remain think they have a complete understanding of politics and anyone who disagrees at the time or now is obviously just stupid or didn't know what they were voting for.
It just getting beyond silly now the majority of people in the United Kingdom wanted to leave so we did.

And did you get what you wanted?

bluebee17 · 10/09/2024 17:49

AsYouWiiiiiiiiiiiiish · 08/09/2024 17:40

The vast, vast majority of people didn't know what they actually were voting for.

And I don't know a single person who voted for it who doesn't deeply regret it.

You can guarantee without fail you will always get at least one reply like every time one of these popped up. People who chose to remain think they have a complete understanding of politics and anyone who disagrees at the time or now is obviously just stupid or didn't know what they were voting for.
It just getting beyond silly now the majority of people in the United Kingdom wanted to leave so we did.

Boomer55 · 10/09/2024 16:50

Brexit vote was 8 years ago. I can’t even be bothered to think about it any more. The majority wanted to leave, we have, and life goes on. 🙄

EasternStandard · 10/09/2024 16:47

LondonLass61 · 10/09/2024 16:32

@EasternStandard
No - I'm not incorrect nor is the professor who will have looked at all of the relevant stats. I'll agree to disagree with you.

Is it your belief that only the UK are struggling with asylum / migration issues due to Brexit?

Have you looked at what is happening elsewhere at all?

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 10/09/2024 16:43

I find leavers framing EU directives as “them” telling “us” to do stuff a bit daft.

We were as much part of it as every other member, therefore it was “us” telling “us”.

LondonLass61 · 10/09/2024 16:32

@EasternStandard
No - I'm not incorrect nor is the professor who will have looked at all of the relevant stats. I'll agree to disagree with you.

EasternStandard · 10/09/2024 16:25

LondonLass61 · 10/09/2024 16:21

@EasternStandard
The original question refers to Brexit and the UK. We could argue all day about immigration in other countries.
The article that I linked to refers to the effect of Brexit in the UK.

Ok so no answer on Germany which is still within the EU.

I take it you can see your argument re the Dublin agreement is incorrect, it's ok to say so.

LondonLass61 · 10/09/2024 16:21

@EasternStandard
The original question refers to Brexit and the UK. We could argue all day about immigration in other countries.
The article that I linked to refers to the effect of Brexit in the UK.

NewPapaGuinea · 10/09/2024 15:43

Finally got one benefit. Not getting the neutered iPhone 16 EU version 😆

ForPearlViper · 10/09/2024 15:39

Shakeoffyourchains · 10/09/2024 14:04

I expect you to be able to evidence your claims, yes. Considering how absolute you are in your responses I'd have thought you'd have plenty to hand and just stating something is a fact doesn't make it so.

But no worries, lets look at the one of the most beloved anti-EU myths, the 'bendy banana' law. Brexiteers loved to use this as an example of the EUs overreach and bureaucracy gone mad. Only problem with this narrative is that it's entirely false.

Directive 2257/94, to give it its real name, was a regulation regarding the classification of bananas and had nothing to do with banning the sale of them.

The directive was developed, reviewed and adopted with full participation of the UK's EU representatives and widely supported by UK banana importers at the time as they had historic links to Caribbean banana producers.

This directive helped them compete on quality and consistency, provided a more level / fair route into the EU market and streamlined trade with them, and (probably most importantly in their eyes) allowed producers / importers / retailers to command a higher price for those Caribbean grown bananas.

But for the anti-EU brigade reality is irrelevant and it will also been known as the EU trying to ban bendy bananas. But if you've got any actual examples of the EU dictating rules to us that were too our detriment I'd love to here them.

Didn't this false story come from a certain journalist covering the EU at the time?
A certain Boris Johnson if I recall. If don't think even his best friends would argue that he has more than a passing relationship with the truth.

EasternStandard · 10/09/2024 15:25

LondonLass61 · 10/09/2024 14:27

@EasternStandard

'It's really not Brexit, it's increased movement which some countries will try to counter and others won't. No one has been sending people back in large numbers using the Dublin agreement, look at the numbers they were tiny, eg about 500 per year and we took more than sent back. '
But that proves the point; the Dublin Agreement was a deterrent therefore not many came so not many had to be sent back. Since Brexit the numbers have exploded.

amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/sep/15/small-boats-industry-science-brexit-made-our-lives-worse

It's not a deterrent in any way, in any of the EU countries, that's not what it's for.

You also skipped the question on Germany

They are still in the EU. Why are they struggling with the same issue?

LondonLass61 · 10/09/2024 14:27

@EasternStandard

'It's really not Brexit, it's increased movement which some countries will try to counter and others won't. No one has been sending people back in large numbers using the Dublin agreement, look at the numbers they were tiny, eg about 500 per year and we took more than sent back. '
But that proves the point; the Dublin Agreement was a deterrent therefore not many came so not many had to be sent back. Since Brexit the numbers have exploded.

amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/sep/15/small-boats-industry-science-brexit-made-our-lives-worse

BlastedPimples · 10/09/2024 14:23

Brexiteers hate evidencing their claims.

Makes me laugh.

Shakeoffyourchains · 10/09/2024 14:04

Livelovebehappy · 08/09/2024 19:47

Don’t be silly. You expect me to trawl through the internet for you to get examples? It’s fact that the EU would not allow us control to set our own rules. We had to fall in with what they dictated us to do, even when it was detrimental to us as a country.

I expect you to be able to evidence your claims, yes. Considering how absolute you are in your responses I'd have thought you'd have plenty to hand and just stating something is a fact doesn't make it so.

But no worries, lets look at the one of the most beloved anti-EU myths, the 'bendy banana' law. Brexiteers loved to use this as an example of the EUs overreach and bureaucracy gone mad. Only problem with this narrative is that it's entirely false.

Directive 2257/94, to give it its real name, was a regulation regarding the classification of bananas and had nothing to do with banning the sale of them.

The directive was developed, reviewed and adopted with full participation of the UK's EU representatives and widely supported by UK banana importers at the time as they had historic links to Caribbean banana producers.

This directive helped them compete on quality and consistency, provided a more level / fair route into the EU market and streamlined trade with them, and (probably most importantly in their eyes) allowed producers / importers / retailers to command a higher price for those Caribbean grown bananas.

But for the anti-EU brigade reality is irrelevant and it will also been known as the EU trying to ban bendy bananas. But if you've got any actual examples of the EU dictating rules to us that were too our detriment I'd love to here them.

ForPearlViper · 10/09/2024 13:01

Livelovebehappy · 08/09/2024 19:47

Don’t be silly. You expect me to trawl through the internet for you to get examples? It’s fact that the EU would not allow us control to set our own rules. We had to fall in with what they dictated us to do, even when it was detrimental to us as a country.

And yet you can't provide a single example off the top of your head.....

Barbadossunset · 10/09/2024 12:58

@MadeleineMummy as well as the heredity monarchy who rule over us.

When do you think they will be abolished?

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